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Re: _Axantur_ and _Nolondil_

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  • laurifindil
    A question remains : were _Axantur_ * Theologian , and _Nolondil_ * Philosopher Númenorian Proper Names only or also lexemes of Quenya? I don t remember
    Message 1 of 6 , Oct 6 8:03 AM
      A question remains : were _Axantur_ *'Theologian', and _Nolondil_
      *'Philosopher' Númenorian Proper Names only or also lexemes of

      I don't remember that an Elf ever bore a name in _-ndur_, or _-ndil_
      in the Corpus, only Númenoreans did.

      Then, _Nolondil_ (< _ñolo-ndil_) was a Proper Name used by
      Númenoreans, not a lexeme of Quenya, used for a 'philosopher',
      as far as I can tell.

      We have other names in _-tur_ 'master, lord', _Ciryatur, Sorontur,
      Minyatur_, etc. But then _-tur_ is not used as a suffix in Quenya
      word-formation only as a base (_turkildi_, V:47; _Turko_, XII:352).
      Then again, _Axantur_ was a Proper Name used by Númenoreans
      (? and maybe Elves), not a lexeme of Quenya.

      Edouard Kloczko

      [I don't see any compelling reason to suppose that _axantur_
      and _nolondil_ were not simply the usual common nouns used
      in Quenya to mean 'theologian' and 'philosoper'. I cannot find
      any examples of a common noun ending in _-(n)tur_, though
      this is not necessarily an indication that this suffix was only used
      in personal names. Quenya unquestionally _did_ form common
      nouns with _-ndil_ and _-ndur_, e.g., _arandil_ 'king's friend,
      royalist' and _arandur_ 'king's servant, minister' (L:386).

      A note to "The Shibboleth of Fëanor" states that "Nerdanel's
      father was an 'Aulendil' [> 'Aulendur']" (XII:365), and the use
      of the indefinite article _an_ before _Aulendil/Aulendur_ seems
      to indicate that this was perceived as a common noun, though
      capitalized since it begins with a proper name. (_Aulendur_ is
      glossed "'Servant of Aulë', sc. one who was devoted to that
      Vala".) Compare English _Luddite_ 'a person opposed to new
      technology', a common noun capitalized because it derives
      from the name of Ned _Lud_, an early opponent of technology
      notorious for destroying machinery.

      The same note cited above shows that some Elves did bear
      personal names in _-ndil_, for it is said that Nerdanel's father
      Sarmo was more widely known as _Urundil_ 'copper-lover'
      (XII:366). But there seems no doubt that the endings _-ndil_,
      _-ndur_ were far more frequently used in the formation of the
      names of Men than they were in the names of Elves. -- PHW]
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