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N. _Dân_ pl. _Dein_, _Daðrin_ ... or *_Daðrim_?

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  • BertrandBellet75@aol.com
    In the entry NDAN of the Etymologies (V:375) Tolkien gives Noldorin names for the Green-elves or Danas : _Dân_ pl. _Dein_, _Daðrin_. The latter looks very
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 20, 2004
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      In the entry NDAN of the Etymologies (V:375) Tolkien gives Noldorin names
      for the Green-elves or Danas : _D�n_ pl. _Dein_, _Da�rin_. The latter looks
      very like the numerous class plurals in _-rim_, with a shift of n+ r > �r known
      elsewhere, were it not for the final n. It looks very like an error, and I
      would like to know if it comes from Tolkien's hand. I suppose so since there is
      no correction in _VT_45 or 46, yet I would like to have confirmation.

      Bertrand Bellet

      [The form as Tolkien wrote it does indeed read _Da�rin_. CFH]
    • David Kiltz
      ... Which would make it a plural in _-in_. Cf. e.g. PE13:123 or _Conin en Annûn_ in LR:932, perhaps. Still, the intrusive _r_ is remarkable. Maybe it s a
      Message 2 of 2 , Sep 21, 2004
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        On 20.09.2004, at 16:30, Bertrand Bellet wrote:

        > In�the entry NDAN of the Etymologies (V:375) Tolkien gives
        > Noldorin names for the Green-elves or Danas : _D�n_
        > pl. _Dein_, _Da�rin_.

        Which would make it a plural in _-in_. Cf. e.g. PE13:123 or _Conin
        en Ann�n_ in LR:932, perhaps. Still, the 'intrusive' _r_ is remarkable.
        Maybe it's a plural form peculiar to Danaic. It could then be an
        augmentative plural marking. I.e. one originally in _-(V)r_ which had
        _-in_ added. For the use of plurals in _-r_ in Early Noldorin, cf.
        e.g. PE13:123.

        -David Kiltz

        [I agree that instead of merely assuming that _Da�rin_ was a slip by
        Tolkien for *_Da�rim_, we need to proceed on the assumption that
        Tolkien wrote down precisely what he intended, and attempt to
        explain the recorded form on that basis. David's theory above,
        regardless of whether or not it proves to be the ultimate solution
        to the puzzle, takes exactly the right approach. -- PHW]
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