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> _Indyalme_ (VT46:3 s.v. ÑGAL-/ÑGÁLAM-) has no gloss.
> Could it be an intensive form: *_ingyalmê_ > _indyalme_?
It seems possible. Presumably Edouard is referring to the
N- prefix cited in the A&C (VT45:36), which in Qenya yielded
an intensive prefix that took a variety of forms dependent
on the following consonant: _um_ before _p, q, v_ (this last
yielding _umb_), _an_ before _t_, _iñ_ before _k, g_, etc.
The historical derivation of _indyalme_ might therefore be
from *_n.-ñgyalmê_ (in which _n._ represents syllabic
_n_, i.e. _n_ with an underdot) > *_ñ.-ñgyalmê_ (with
assimilation of _n._ > _ñ._) > *_iñ-ñgyalmê_ (with resolution
of syllabic _ñ._ >_iñ_) >_indyalme_ (with fronting of the stop
in a palatal environment).
If Tolkien did intend a non-intensive/ intensive distinction
between _yalme_ 'clamour' and _indyalme_, perhaps the
latter referred to an extended, overwhelmingly chaotic
din, the 'clamour' of an ongoing battle as opposed to, say, the
clamour of horses entering a courtyard or pots dropped in
A parallel might occur in the much-later text "The Shibboleth
of Feanor", which cites the Common Eldarin stem _ñgol-,
ñgôlo-_, "with or without syllabic _ñ_". In the derivatives
cited, it appears that the forms beginning with _ing-_ from
original syllabic _ñ._ were intensive. Thus (all from XII:360):
_ingólemo_ 'one with very great knowledge, a "wizard"'
(compare _ñolmo_ 'a wise person')
_Ingole_ 'Science/Philosophy as a whole'
(compare _ñolme_ 'a department of wisdom (science etc.)')
_Ingoldo_ '_the_ Ñoldo, one eminent in the kindred'
(as opposed to _Ñoldo_, which simply identifies a member
of that kindred, with no implication of eminence.)
Our only other parallel to _indyalme_ in _Etymologies_ is found
in the entry for the base ÑGYÔ-, ÑGYON- 'grandchild, descendant',
with Qenya derivative _indyo_ (== T. _endo_ and ON _ango_).
Is this _indyo_ intensive, from *_n-ñgyô_? Since the base also
means 'descendant', _indyo_ (probably 'grandson'; a deleted
marginal note by the Etym._base YÔ, YÔN- gives Q _inyo_ 'grandson',
with _inyo_ << _indyo_; VT46:23) might be viewed as intensive
in pertaining to a descendant removed by at least two
-- Patrick H. Wynne