VT45 Errata ?
- In VT45:14 (s.v. 3EL-) we read :
"*_Helwe_ name of Teler-lord, N _Elwe_, always recorded in Tel. and N
I think there is a typo here (else the editors would have noticed this
slip) and the correct reading should be :
"Q _Elwe_, always recorded in Tel. and N form _Elwe_"
(or, perhaps "N _Elwe_, always recorded in Tel. and Q form _Elwe_")
[The passage as given in VT45:14 is correct; in this instance there
was no slip by the editors, nor a slip by Tolkien. In the Etymologies,
bases beginning in 3- have Qenya derivates in _h-_: thus 3AN- 'male'
> Q _hanu_ 'a male', 3AR- 'have, hold' > Q _harya-_ 'possess', etc.In Noldorin initial 3- disappeared: thus 3AN- > N _anw_ 'a male',
3AR- > N _ardh_ 'realm'.
The point of the passage cited above s.v. 3EL- is that etymologically
the Qenya form of the name of the lord of the Teleri would have
been *_Helwe_, but the only name used in written records (apparently
even records written in Qenya) was the Telerin/Noldorin form _Elwe_.
The asterisk preceding *_Helwe_ does not indicate that it is a
primitive or early form, but rather that it is a form not recorded
- Patrick Wynne wrote:
> [The passage as given in VT45:14 is correct; in this instanceIt is important to note that at least by the sixties, if we judge by
> there was no slip by the editors, nor a slip by Tolkien. In the
> Etymologies, bases beginning in 3- have Qenya derivates in
> _h-_: thus 3AN- 'male' > Q _hanu_ 'a male', 3AR- 'have,
> hold' > Q _harya-_ 'possess', etc. In Noldorin initial 3-
> disappeared: thus 3AN- > N _anw_ 'a male', 3AR- > N _ardh_
"Notes on _Óre_", for example (VT41), Tolkien had already changed
his mind and reversed this change. Thus from 3OR- we have Q.
and T. _óre, ora, órea_ and other derivatives lacking initial consonant,
yet the cognate of Q. T. _óre_ is S. _gûr_. The change of initial 3-
to G- appears in Doriathrin (or Ilkorin?) of the thirties, according to
the Etymologies. Is this a case of Etym.-Doriathrin incorporated into
S. (as opposed to Noldorin)?
-- Jonathan Avidan
[This is an interesting point. The "Notes on _Óre_" date to c. 1968,
and the typescript text on VT41:11 does indeed state that Common
Eldarin 3OR- yielded Q _or-_, T. _or-_, and S. _gor-_. However, the
forms _óre, ora, órea_ cited by Jonathan are A) from a different
(albeit contemporary) set of notes; B) are in fact said to derive from
Common Eldarin root HOR (VT41:13); and C) are evidently Quenya, not
Quenya and Telerin. It is interesting that Tolkien gives _(h)ore_ as
one of the derivatives of HOR in the latter notes, showing that initlal
H- in the root was sometimes retained (dialectally, perhaps).
But Jonathan's basic point stands, that Tolkien clearly changed his mind
in his later writings about what the developments of original initial 3-
should be in the various descendant languages. He was also uncertain
whether this sound should be 3- or H- in the primitive tongue, as
shown by the variation between 3OR- and HOR- in the notes mentioned
above. In "Quendi and Eldar" (c. 1959-60) we can note the root
*HO 'away, from, from among' (XI:368), which is clearly a later conception
of 3O- 'from, away, from among, out of' in the Etymologies. In "Q&E"
this initial *H- was retained in Quenya and Telerin, but lost in Sindarin;
thus *HEK- > Q. _heka!_, T. _heca!_ 'be gone! stand aside', but S. _ego!_
'be off!' (XI:364-65). -- PHW]