Re: Q _ulundo_ < _ulgundô_ vs. _felya_ < *_felga_
- Andreas Johansson wrote:
> I'd rather expect the words to syllabify as fel.ya and u.lun.do,I rather agree - I did not mean to imply where exactly the syllable
> Another possible internal explanation that struck me right now is that itYes, but it seems that Q phonology avoids _w_ and _y_ glides
> could simply be due to the different following vowel.
> [Comparison of derivatives of Etym. WÔ- (Q _o-_/_ó-_) and bases in WA-,
> such as WA3- (Q _vára_), WAN- (Q _vanya_), etc. exhibit this contrast.
> See also the statement in _Quendi and Eldar_ that initial _w-_ was "lost in
> Quenya before _ô_" (XI:367). (Please note that I make no promise of
> providing citations in the future!) CFH]
consistently before the phonologically related vowels: the rounded
vowels in case of _w_, and the highest vowel (_i_) in case of _y_.
I would not on this ground expect that the following _u_ is the reason
why _g_ disappears rather than changes into _y_ (we have "yulda",
so _yu_ is allowed).
- Ales Bican wrote:
> I can hardly see motivation in the case of _targâ_ > Q _tarya_.I can think of 2 possible motivations: analogy, or getting
the pronunciation nearer to the preceding dental/alveolar
_r_ (_l_). Together with the attempt to retain the long syllable
(which excludes just dropping the sound), because of
its being stressed.
- Quoting Lukas Novak <lukas.novak@...>:
> I would not on this ground expect that the following _u_ is the reasonI never said it was a _good_ explanation, but if it has any validity, surely
> why _g_ disappears rather than changes into _y_ (we have "yulda",
> so _yu_ is allowed).
the consonant dropped at the 'gh' stage, and 'gh' is nearer to 'u' than to 'a'.
One might also argue that what we need explained isn't why 'gh' dropped in
_ulundo_, which is the normal fate of 'gh' in Q, but why it failed to drop in
_tarya_ and _felya_. In this light your suggestion re: maintaining length of a
stressed syllable seems the more relevant explanation.