Re: [Lambengolmor] Re: Yet more on voiced stops
- Ivan and Fredrik both wrote that phonetic analysis isn't relevant to
phonemes (or something similar to that effect).
I agree. My mistake. Indeed sounds like [tS] are phonemes.
The point I was trying to make is that these kind of complex phonemes
with coarticulated sounds can't be split, and so if we wanted to test
whether Quenya clusters are phonemic or not, we should be able to do
so by focusing on the coarticulated properties of these sounds (like
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- Apart from _Aldudenie_, what known instances of Quenya _d_ between
vowels are known?
If _Aldudenie_ is the only example, perhaps it is a stray mistake by
Tolkien and if he had lived longer he would have found and corrected
[It has been suggested many times before that _Aldudenie_, composed
by a Vanyarin elf, is a Vanyarin, not Quenya, title. Carl]
> [It has been suggested many times before that _Aldudenie_, composedThe best discussion I can remember about the possibility that *_-dénie_
> by a Vanyarin elf, is a Vanyarin, not Quenya, title. Carl]
was the Vanyarin cognate of Noldorin _nainie_, "lament", is the #5885
message of Elfling, by Ales Bican:
As he said, it's hard to believe that it could be a typo by Tolkien,
since the word _Aldudénie_ appears in different manuscripts and
texts carefully revised by Tolkien.
By the way, I introduce myself in this list, as member of the
Lambenor Spanish-speaking mailing-list, and the Team of
Languages of the Spanish Tolkien Society.
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