Re: Aorist participle?
- Wrote CHF in Pavel Iosad's post:
"What I'm trying to get at is some indication of how likely it is that
a language that has a clear present participle vs. past participle
distinction, the former formed (so far as we can judge from the
available evidence) at least nearly exclusively on the present-tense
stem, but also separate aorist, present, and past tenses, would in
fact also be able to form participles on the aorist stem, either as a
third, independent class of participles, or as a variant form of the
present participle. CFH"
Likelihood? I severely doubt that JRRT thought in terms of "how likely
is it that a language with postpositions has a PSO basic word order?"
which if he did not means such considerations would hardly limit his
choice of grammatical structures. As Pavel Iosad indicated, however,
one can in Slavonic languages form present participles of imperfective
and perfective verbs alike. Where the distinction would be like Q
aorist and present tense.
Hans Georg Lundahl
[Of course there was no question of likelihood in _Tolkien's_ mind:
the language either had this feature or it didn't. But that's looking
at the matter from the wrong end: what _we_ have to hand is not
Tolkien's mind, but the evidence of his writings. And in these
writings we have a handful of present participles and a _single_
(potential) example of an aorist participle. Since we know that
Tolkien's Eldarin languages generally follow Indo-European and
Finno-Ugric grammatical patterns -- those being, not coincidentally,
the languages Tolkien was most knowledgable about -- it is natural
to look to those languages (in particular) for possible examples and
even clarification of phonological, morphological, and syntactic
phenomena or patterns that we see, or think we may see, in
Tolkien's languages. And in areas of uncertainty like the present
case, corroboration of putative phenomena or patterns in Primary-
world languages _does_ speak to the _likelihood_ of the correctness
of an analysis and that the phenomenon or pattern under
investigation pertains in Tolkien's languages.
As for my "nudge", it was not meant as a comment on
Pavel's post, but as clarification based on comments on the
matter I have received in messages not posted to the list. CFH]