Re: [Lambengolmor] "manu" departed spirit
- laurifindil <ejk@...> wrote, re Q _manu_ 'departed spirit'
in the Etymologies:
> ... Still "departed spirit" is a strangeDeparted spirit: a spirit that has departed from its body (intransitive
> expression... for me.
> Any thought by someone with English as mother tongue would be
> welcome. ;-)
verbs of movement have active past participles formed as the passive
past participle of transitive verbs).
[I should have added, in my original comments to Edouard's post,
that in English one meaning of the verb "depart" is 'to die', and
"departed" is often used to mean 'dead' or 'dead person'. Hence,
Tolkien's 'departed spirit' == 'spirited of one departed', i.e. 'spirit
who has passed through death'. -- PHW]]
> Departed spirit: a spirit that has departed from its body (intransitiveI must mention also the latin word 'Manes' that refers to the spirits of
> verbs of movement have active past participles formed as the passive
> past participle of transitive verbs).
the dead... It seems that Tolkien had this word in mind...
[Pat has asked me to note that in his previous post of today in this thread,
the words 'spirited of one departed' should, of course, read 'spirit of one
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- I wrote:
>> ... Still "departed spirit" is a strange expression... for me.My question was addressed to someone speaking English as a mother-tongue not
>> Any thought by someone with English as mother tongue would be welcome. ;-)
about the meaning of "departed".
To my knowledge the _usual_ English expression is "a departed soul", not "a
departed spirit", isn't it? Is "departed spirit" an unusual T. construction? A new
coinage, or not at all. Plain good English.
I do know English... ;-) but it is difficult to "feel" it, when it is not your mother-
tongue, if an expression is _usual_ or sounds "new" or "weird".
["Departed spirit" sounds no stranger to my ear than does "departed soul". In fact,
"departed soul" is the more unusual-sounding. CFH]