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Quenya suffix _-nde_

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  • Petri Tikka
    In VT44:8 a suffix _-nde_ that forms nouns from verbs or verbal stems is mentioned. _arcande_ petition
    Message 1 of 3 , Oct 6, 2002
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      In VT44:8 a suffix _-nde_ that forms nouns from verbs or verbal stems is
      mentioned. _arcande_ 'petition' < _arca-_ 'pray' (VT44:8), _ulunde_ 'flood'
      < ULU- 'pour, flow' (V:396) and _qiqirinde_ 'murmuring' < _qiri-_ 'murmur'
      (PE12:78 s.v. QISI & QIRI) are given as examples.

      Looking through the publised corpus that I have for nouns formed with
      _-nde_, I found these:

      _arcande_ 'petition' < _arca_ 'pray' (VT44:8)
      _merende_ 'feast, festival' < MBER- (V:372)
      _Therinde_ 'Needlewoman' (XII:333) < ? *_theri-_
      _tingilinde_ 'a twinkling star' < TIN, GIL (V:393)
      _ulunde_ 'flood' < ULU- 'pour, flow' (V:396)

      I am not sure if all of these are formed with this suffix, but I hope I
      didn't leave out anything major that I have access to.

      What is the origin and purpose of this ending? How does it differ in usage
      from other noun forming suffices? Can anything be found out from these
      or other examples?

      Petri Tikka Helsinki, Finland
      kari.j.tikka@...
      http://www.geocities.com/petristikka/
    • Lukas Novak
      Petri Tikka listed a number of nouns in _-nde_; see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lambengolmor/message/273 Would _loende_ also fit in? Lukas
      Message 2 of 3 , Oct 6, 2002
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        Petri Tikka listed a number of nouns in _-nde_; see:

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lambengolmor/message/273

        Would _loende_ also fit in?

        Lukas
      • David Kiltz
        ... I think that is rather _loa_ + _ende_ middle of the (solar) year . Cf. LR:(part 3)486 The first day [of the year _loa_ ] was called _yestare_, the
        Message 3 of 3 , Oct 8, 2002
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          On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 01:00 AM, Lukas Novak wrote:

          > Petri Tikka listed a number of nouns in _-nde_; see:
          >
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lambengolmor/message/273
          >
          > Would _loende_ also fit in?

          I think that is rather _loa_ + _ende_ "middle of the (solar) year".

          Cf. LR:(part 3)486 "The first day [of the year "_loa_"] was called
          _yestare_, the middle day (183rd) _loende_, and the last day _mettare_".
          Two _enderi_ "middle days" were substituted at regular intervals. I
          think that makes it clear that we have words containing _ende_ "middle"
          here.

          Pozdravy,

          David

          [Petri's list of nouns in _-nde_ also includes _Therinde_ 'Needlewoman'
          (XII:333), in which _-inde_ is perhaps more likely a feminine counter-
          part of the masculine agentive _-indo_, as in _Cormacolindor_ 'Ring-
          bearers' (LR:932). If this is the case, then _*ther-_ would be a verbal
          stem, probably meaning 'sew, embroider'. This in turn could be related
          to the root TER- (extended form TERES-) 'pierce', whence Q. _tere_,
          _ter_ 'through', so that THER- literally = *'pierce through with a needle'.
          The _Etymologies_ gives an example of related roots in T- and TH-:
          THIN- (whence Q. _sinde_ 'grey') and TIN- 'sparkle, emit slender (silver,
          pale) beams', the latter said to be a "variant of (?) and in any case af-
          fected by THIN". -- Patrick Wynne]
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