Re: [Lambengolmor] Re: Annwfn, Rhiannon, Arawn & Morris-Jones
- I wrote:
> Tolkien, I believe, may have been influenced by Morris-Jones, but heCarl replied:
> certainly would not have accepted Morris-Jones' etymologies blindly.
> Indeed! Which if anything makes it all the more significant thatWhich is significant for _ud�n_, but Tolkien's acceptance of
> Tolkien nonetheless accepted Jones's etymology in this case, at least
> to the extent of echoing it in his own notes.
Morris-Jones' eytomogy here doesn't perclude Tolkien's use of the other
interpretations of _Annwfn_ for other Elvish words, e.g. _ann�n_.
Indeed it seems very Tolkien to have two words of Elvish that have
fallen together in meaning in Human languages to explain the various
interpretations of the Welsh _Annwfn_.
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- On 5/31/02 9:32 AM, "Candon McLean" <candon3@...> wrote:
> Which is significant for _udûn_, but Tolkien's acceptance ofOh, I agree, wholeheartedly. I never meant to imply that there could be _no_
> Morris-Jones' eytomogy here doesn't perclude Tolkien's use of the other
> interpretations of _Annwfn_ for other Elvish words, e.g. _annûn_.
intended relationship between S. _Annûn_ and Welsh _Annw(f)n_.
But if there is, it must be a different sort of relationship than that
proposed for _Udûn_ (< *_Utubnu_) and _Annw(f)n_ (< *_n-dub-n-_). It is just
conceivable that *_n-dub-n-_, the ancient antecedent of _Annw(f)n_ (as
corrobated by cognates in other languages), could have some relationship
with the Eldarin forms; but it would be much harder to argue that either
_Annw(f)n_ or *_n-dub-n_ could have been formed upon S. _Annûn_, Q.
_Andúne_, or their antecedents (how, for instance, could we account for the
_f_ of _Annwfn_?)
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