Re: Elision and _'n_
----- Original Message -----
From: Pavel Iosad
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:55 PM
Subject: [Lambengolmor] Re: Elision and _'n_
Terry Dock wrote:
>>Well, maybe not. Let's consider the following sentence: _Utúlie'n aurë!
>>Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë!_ (S:229)
>>If Ales is right, then _Utúlie'n aurë!_ would be an example of an elision
>>occuring between unidentical vowels; in this case E and I.
Pavel Iosad wrote:
>This is possible, however, I would still hold that elision in _siluv(a)
>(e)lye_ would not be possible. It is not unlikely that elision can happen
>in the case of non-identical vowels if they are, say, both front or both
>back and so the elision is in effect a case of assimilation. That would
>possibly account for the elision in the cited phrase, but would still
>invalidate any possibility of elision in the example at hand.
There is another attested example of elision between E and I:
_ír' Anarinya queluva_ (V:72). _nai elen siluva lyenna_ also
has two adjacent vowels of dissimilar nature, so why couldn't
this be another case of elision? I know that one may then wonder
why it isn't _*nai elen siluv' elyenna_, but since we have so few
examples of elisions, why couldn't it happen the othe way around?
Both syllables are unstressed, so elision is equally possible in both
Petri Tikka wrote:
>There is another attested example of elision between E and I:All right, you got me here. Objection withdrawn, at least partly.
>_ír' Anarinya queluva_ (V:72).
Note though - the elided vowel happens to be the first one.
>I know that one may then wonderI do not find this a sound argument. Of course, absence of evidence
>why it isn't _*nai elen siluv' elyenna_, but since we have so few
>examples of elisions, why couldn't it happen the othe way around?
is not evidence of absence, but neither can absence of evidence be
taken as evdience of presence.
>Both syllables are unstressed, so elision is equally possible in bothYou seem to have missed my point about the structural importance of the
prefixed vowel. The emphatic pronoun without the prefixed _sundóma_ is
a mere suffix. That is why I guess it (the _sundóma) won't in all
probability be elided.
Also, since you argue that _ly_ is an impermissible initial, I am yet
to hear a justification :-) I cannot understand how _ly_ differs from
Pavel Iosad pavel_iosad@...
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