76Re: Various umlauts in Sindarin plurals
- Jun 18, 2002Hello,
Hans Georg Lundahl wrote:
[I wrote that]
> 1 o>y involves two processes (agreeing both with me and his combatant);No combatants here, there weren't any major disagreements anyway! :-)
[Indeed: that one slipped by me. Disagreement on matters of fact or
interpretation most definitely does not constitute "combat". We will
_not_ go down that road on _this_ list. Carl]
> I think that *orodi regularly became *öröd, which as an isolated wordI don't think this is plausible. We obviously have _o_ in stressed
> w[oul]d h[a]v[e] become *eryd, but that in pre-stress positions, like
> Eredwethion, Ered Nimrais, Ered Lithui, Ered Luin it became ered.
positions yielding both _y_ and _e_. I also think that in hypothetical
compounds like Ered Wethrin, the main stress would fall on _Ered_, as it
is syntactically the head, and _*Gwathren_ the modifier.
> And in the pl[ural] of orod it seems the st[atus] constr[uctus] f[or]mI beg to disagree. There are plenty of legal contexts for saying _the
> ousted the fully stressed f[or]m, there being so many mountains, that
> just saying "the mountains" w[oul]d be meaningless in most naturally
> occurring contexts.
mountains_, like _Beren wandered through the mountains to Doriath_,
_Morgoth was unable to discover Turgon's stronghold in the mountains_
and so on and so forth.
> JRRT vacillated - yes, but he did so with consistency, always makingWell, not that I agree with it, but anyway you must consider that the
> sure his latest idea was consistent with all others, with all the old
> except the one he was replacing. So JRRT's vacillation is not the
vacillating refers to whether he should implement the change or not at
> The problem is: Christopher did not always know what was theIf it is not recorded, no one can say what Tolkien intended.
> latest idea of his Father and how much he had changed and
> invented since, to restore consistency. And whether he had
> changed s[ome]th[ing] in this or that aspect, required by
> another change but not recorded.
Pavel Iosad pavel_iosad@...
'I am a philologist, and thus a misunderstood man'
--JRR Tolkien, _The Notion Club Papers_
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