443Re: [Lambengolmor] Re: Prepositions and nominal suffixes attested in Elvish
- May 26 1:19 AMOn Samstag, Mai 24, 2003, at 01:10 Uhr, Hans wrote:
>> demonstratives _su/so_. _si/se_ (cf. Et:385 sub S-). The entry in the"S- demonstrative stem _su, so_ "he"; _si, se_ "she". What else would
>> Etymologies indicates that the distinction between _su/so_ is not one
>> of case
> It doesn't indicate that in my copy.
_he_ and _she_ be than nominatives ?
In Sindarin, _hain_ and _hin_ (_i thiw hin_ is certainly "the signs
these") can be used for the accusative. But one shouldn't adduce
Sindarin forms as if they were Quenya, I think.
> Of course, there's an uninflected (without quotation marks!) genitiveOf course there isn't. And you just gave the line where Tolkien says
> in Quenya. The same page XI:368 says "though 'possession' was
> indicated by the adjectival suffix _-va_, or (especially in general
> descriptions) by a 'loose compound'... _Orome róma_ would mean
> 'an Orome horn', sc. one of Orome's horns".
so: 'Loose compound'. That's exactly it. So there is no *case*. The
nominative can be used and the function is indicated by word order.
That means, there are no *formal* markings in such constructions, hence
it is not a case. Unlike the accusative, it was never marked in such
constructions. Please, make a distinction between form and function, I
think it's vital here.
> My guess would be, that the first two lines, muchI think that is a very good guess. This would chime in with my
> as in the Bodleian Declensions, denote subjective and normal cases,
> which are not exactly like nominative and accusative: subjective
> case was marked only when needed. Quenya became a language
> of nominative/accusative type only later, and the subjective/normal
> case reappeared in Adunaic.
assumption that only row 3 represents the accusative. In the inner
history of Quenya, then, the accusative would get the _-t_ only later.
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