151Re: [Lambengolmor] -Vndo
- Jul 26, 2002David Kiltz wrote:
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> In short, I would suggest that _Vndo_ is a**Your interpretation is interesting. However, I always treated _ndo_
> "personalized" form of a participle past active that should end in *_Vnda_.
like a strengtened form of _-no_ (e.g. in _tirno_ "watcher", TIR).
This _-no_ seems to be related to _-on_ (from _-nd_, cf. _Sauron_ being
from older _Thaurond-_, see Letter #297).
A similar strengtening was already quoted by Fredrik: Tolkien wrote in
WJ: "Other forms of this suffix [_-ro_] were _-rô_ added to stem, with
or without _n_-infixion; and _-rdo_ > _rd_." (371). The suffix _rdo_
would then be the strengtened form.
By the way, it is known that _-nde_ is a feminine counterpart of _-ndo_
(see _Therinde_, PM:333). It is also known that there is _-re_ being a
counterpart of _-ro_. Furthermore, there is _-me_ being a counterpart
of _-mo_, and _-e_ of _-o_. But what about _-ne_, which could be a
counterpart of _-no_, does it exist? I am not aware of it; as far as I
can remember there is _-nne_ in _ravenne_ "she-lion" (QL:79R). And
what about _-en_ as a countepart of _-on_? Could it occur in _yen_
"daughter"? Note that it has a variant _yende_ and that their
masculine counterparts are _yon_ (resp. _-ion_) and _yondo_ (see YON
> Now, I'm not aware of any published material that explicitly notes such an**I can only think of _talanda_ "burdened, weighed down, sad" (QL:88R)
> interpretation. Indeed, it isn't even sure such a participle featured (at
> any given time) in J.R.R.Tolkien's concept of Quenya.
but it seems to be an adjective derived from _talan_ "burden" (ibid.).
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ps. Patrick Wynne wrote in another message:
> [N.B. -- Please give post numbers when citing previous discussions.**Sorry for rather an off-topic responce but I just wanted to ask.
I have always wondered how people are able to provide numbers of
particular messages. Well, I know that if I connect to, say, the
_lambengolmor_ page on groups.yahoo.com, I will get the number.
However, it means I must get online and get through innumerable
advertiments on yahoo.com. Getting online is expensive for me, so
I will be not able to provide post numbers. If this means I will
be not allowed to post to this group, then I will have to become
a reader only. But perhaps there is other way to get the post
number I am not aware of. Please, let me know.
> Also, remember that page citations are to be given using the**Oh, I have not read the letter, since I was not a member of
> conventions employed in VT, i.e., WJ:371 should be given as
> XI:371. For a list of the proper bibliographic abbreviations, see
> post 3. -- Patrick Wynne]
this group then. And due to the same problems with getting
online, I have not read it even on the web. Anyway, I am a
horrible kind, I have never gotten used to the VT conventions
of abbreviating particular HoMe volumes. I always have to
think a while to realize which volume is meant by the Roman
number XI, while I can always tell at once that WJ stands for
_The War of the Jewels_. Sorry.
Mi dissero che e quell'epoca per quindici giorni e quindici notti
i retori Gabundus e Terentius discussero sul vocativo di _ego_,
e infine vennero alle armi. (Umberto Eco, _Il nome della rosa_)
[When I added the reminder about including post numbers, I was
unaware that Carl had decided to abandon this stipulation, for
precisely the reason you mention: there is no convenient way to
determine post numbers other than to go to groups.yahoo.com and
access the message in question from the archives, and not
everybody has easy (or cheap) Internet access. So let it be
hereby noted that post numbers are _not_ required. As for the VT
conventions in bibliographical citations from the HoMe series,
please use them -- they don't take long to get used to (I speak
from experience), and adherence to a standard of reference is
to the ultimate benefit of all serious Tolkienian scholars. This is
a _request_, not an ultimatum, and failure to use the VT conventions
will not result in posts being rejected! However, it might result
in further reminders. ;-) -- Patrick]
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