10RE: Initial _ly-_ and enclitics
- May 30, 2002Hello,
Petri Tikka wrote:
> In message 14958 of Elvish Linguistics List Helge K.I wonder what Carl has to say on the subject :-)
> Fauskanger tells us
> of a a signature by Tolkien below which reads the words_nai
> elen siluva lyenna_.
> The first reaction to a the word _lyenna_ would be thatI disagree. Elision in Quenya only seems to appear in the cases of two
> initial palatalized
> Ls would be allowed in Quenya. But I am not quite sure. It may be
> that it is an enclitic of _elyenna_, the initial vowel
> dissapearing because
> of the final vowel in the preceeding word. _elye_ is attested
> as emphatic
> 2. person sg. pronoun in LR:398 and R:67.
identical vowels near the word border. There numerous examples of
different vowels on word borders without elision. These include, for
example, _ómaryo airetari-lírinen_ in LR:398. Besides, if elision were
to happen at all, it would happen on the first vowel - _*siluv'
> It would make sense forIMHO it wouldn't, since the prefixed vowel is generally the more
> the initial vowel to dissapear, since its only function is for the
> of the 2. person sg. pronoun.
important element in the structure of the emphatic pronoun. In fact it
is the prefixed vowel which makes it recognizable as an emphatic
> But one may wonder why initialThen I do not see a reason for _#ly-_ to be forbidden. Phonotactical
> L wouldn't be allowed. Other initial palatalized consonants
> are allowed.
constraints seem to be generalized in languages. Dental palatalized
sonorants are clearly allowed (vide initial _ny_). Ergo - _#ly-_ is a
On the other hand, the stress in _hiruvalye_ falls on the penultimate
syllable, which makes us wonder whether _ly_ is not indeed a cluster.
This can however be explained if we suppose that _Namárië_ exemplifies
Third Age Quenya where we at leats know for sure that _qu_ is a cluster
phonetically, albeit not phonologically. There is no reason to assume
that the same cannot be true of palatalized consonants.
Pavel Iosad pavel_iosad@...
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