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  • Dan Kegel
    Businesses all over are being forced to decide whether to commit to Microsoft s Licensing 6.0 plan, which raises the costs of using Microsoft software
    Message 1 of 6 , May 22, 2002
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      Businesses all over are being forced to decide whether to commit to
      Microsoft's "Licensing 6.0" plan, which raises the
      costs of using Microsoft software substantially.
      (See http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/ ,
      http://www.sunbelt-software.com/survey_02mar.cfm , and
      http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/editorials/4153/1/ )

      To help educate businesses about alternatives, Lula is
      planning to do a presentation about how businesses
      can use Open Office and/or Star Office to replace
      Microsoft Office, and avoid the "Licensing 6.0" fees
      without sacrificing convenience or quality.

      I just loaded up Open Office 1.0 on my wife's computer,
      and she was impressed; at least on first glance, it
      supported all her complicated Word documents well.
      But we need more than one person, and more than one
      hour, of experience *from the point of view of heavy
      Microsoft Office users* before we say Open Office can do it all.
      So let's put it to the test:
      Who here uses Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office at work?
      Can those people try using Open Office 1.0
      instead for a day, and report back?
      And then report again at the end of five days?
      It'd be very interesting to see what percentage of Microsoft Office
      users were happy with Open Office at the end of a week.
      - Dan

      p.s. A few links on the topic:
      http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/office.html
      http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2865704,00.html
      http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2865769,00.html
      http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1018.tco.html
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/25148.html
    • Dafydd Walters
      Greeting Dan, LUGs, We use MS Office at work, and decided to give OpenOffice.org (for Windows) a try. A few of us used it exclusively for a few days instead
      Message 2 of 6 , May 22, 2002
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        Greeting Dan, LUGs,

        We use MS Office at work, and decided to give OpenOffice.org (for Windows) a
        try. A few of us used it exclusively for a few days instead of MS Office.
        Briefly, here's what we found.

        Our tests were limited to Write (Word replacement) and Calc (Excel
        replacement).

        Compatibility:

        We found that Write and Calc were both able to successfully open all Word
        and Excel documents we tried, even complex ones. However, when we printed
        documents in Write, we found that some of the field codes were interpreted
        differently, but more seriously, there were some nasty rendering bugs that
        caused text to overlay pictures, and appear at unusual font sizes.

        Stability:

        As long as we were dealing strictly with Write and Calc files, there did not
        seem to be any stability problems. However, when working with Word and
        Excel files, the programs crashed several times either during document load,
        or save.

        Conclusion:

        The compatibility and stability problems prohibit us from switching from MS
        Office company-wide at this time. However, we have made the decision not to
        opt for the MS subscription, since OpenOffice shows sufficient promise that
        once the bugs have been ironed out, we should be able to switch to it.

        Regards,
        Dafydd.


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Dan Kegel" <dank@...>
        To: "lula" <lula@...>; <lilax-l@...>; <lalugs@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:37 AM
        Subject: Let's have some Microsoft Office users try Open Office...

        > Businesses all over are being forced to decide whether to commit to
        > Microsoft's "Licensing 6.0" plan, which raises the
        > costs of using Microsoft software substantially.
        > (See http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/ ,
        > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/survey_02mar.cfm , and
        > http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/editorials/4153/1/ )
        >
        > To help educate businesses about alternatives, Lula is
        > planning to do a presentation about how businesses
        > can use Open Office and/or Star Office to replace
        > Microsoft Office, and avoid the "Licensing 6.0" fees
        > without sacrificing convenience or quality.
        >
        > I just loaded up Open Office 1.0 on my wife's computer,
        > and she was impressed; at least on first glance, it
        > supported all her complicated Word documents well.
        > But we need more than one person, and more than one
        > hour, of experience *from the point of view of heavy
        > Microsoft Office users* before we say Open Office can do it all.
        > So let's put it to the test:
        > Who here uses Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office at work?
        > Can those people try using Open Office 1.0
        > instead for a day, and report back?
        > And then report again at the end of five days?
        > It'd be very interesting to see what percentage of Microsoft Office
        > users were happy with Open Office at the end of a week.
        > - Dan
        >
        > p.s. A few links on the topic:
        > http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/office.html
        >
        http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2865704,00.html
        >
        http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2865769,00.html
        > http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1018.tco.html
        > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/25148.html
        >
      • Dan Kegel
        Thanks for the info, Dafydd. There is an open crash bug report on Write ( http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4386 ; login might be required to
        Message 3 of 6 , May 22, 2002
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          Thanks for the info, Dafydd.
          There is an open crash bug report on Write
          ( http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4386 ;
          login might be required to view that page)
          but none yet on Calc. Do you have any documents that
          reliably cause crashes that you'd be willing to share?
          I'd be happy to help push for a fix for those crashes.
          Cheers,
          Dan

          Dafydd Walters wrote:
          >
          > Greeting Dan, LUGs,
          >
          > We use MS Office at work, and decided to give OpenOffice.org (for Windows) a
          > try. A few of us used it exclusively for a few days instead of MS Office.
          > Briefly, here's what we found.
          >
          > Our tests were limited to Write (Word replacement) and Calc (Excel
          > replacement).
          >
          > Compatibility:
          >
          > We found that Write and Calc were both able to successfully open all Word
          > and Excel documents we tried, even complex ones. However, when we printed
          > documents in Write, we found that some of the field codes were interpreted
          > differently, but more seriously, there were some nasty rendering bugs that
          > caused text to overlay pictures, and appear at unusual font sizes.
          >
          > Stability:
          >
          > As long as we were dealing strictly with Write and Calc files, there did not
          > seem to be any stability problems. However, when working with Word and
          > Excel files, the programs crashed several times either during document load,
          > or save.
          >
          > Conclusion:
          >
          > The compatibility and stability problems prohibit us from switching from MS
          > Office company-wide at this time. However, we have made the decision not to
          > opt for the MS subscription, since OpenOffice shows sufficient promise that
          > once the bugs have been ironed out, we should be able to switch to it.
          >
          > Regards,
          > Dafydd.
        • J. Lucha
          Dafydd, Just out of curiousity, what version did you evaluate. Was it the StarOffice Beta, or did you use OpenOffice? As a side note to those that are going
          Message 4 of 6 , May 22, 2002
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            Dafydd,

            Just out of curiousity, what version did
            you evaluate. Was it the StarOffice Beta, or
            did you use OpenOffice?

            As a side note to those that are going to take up Dan's challenge and
            evaluate it for several days. I know that being able to use Microsoft's
            formats will be important, but I think evaluating its usefulness with
            it's own built-in formats is also very important. At our work, we are
            evaluating it on it's ability to DISPLAY Word and Excel files. Any
            modification or new documents will be saved in the StarOffice/OpenOffice
            native format. Part of the point is not just having a cheaper office
            suite, but having open file formats.

            -Jim
          • J. Lucha
            Dan, We have decided not to sign up for Software Assurance 6.0 and are evaluating StarOffice. I ll let you know how it goes. If anyone is willing to write an
            Message 5 of 6 , May 22, 2002
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              Dan,

              We have decided not to sign up for Software Assurance 6.0 and are
              evaluating StarOffice.

              I'll let you know how it goes.

              If anyone is willing to write an extensive review with all the
              positives/negatives, and workaround solutions please let me know.
              I am starting a web site providing information on alternatives to
              Microsoft software, and am looking for contributions. Please contact
              me if you are interested in contributing.

              -Jim
            • Dafydd Walters
              ... We were testing OpenOffice.org 1.0. ... From: J. Lucha To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:17 PM
              Message 6 of 6 , May 23, 2002
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                > Just out of curiosity, what version did
                > you evaluate. Was it the StarOffice Beta, or
                > did you use OpenOffice?

                We were testing OpenOffice.org 1.0.

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "J. Lucha" <jim@...>
                To: <lalugs@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:17 PM
                Subject: Re: [lalugs] Re: Let's have some Microsoft Office users try Open
                Office...


                > Dafydd,
                >
                > Just out of curiousity, what version did
                > you evaluate. Was it the StarOffice Beta, or
                > did you use OpenOffice?
                >
                > As a side note to those that are going to take up Dan's challenge and
                > evaluate it for several days. I know that being able to use Microsoft's
                > formats will be important, but I think evaluating its usefulness with
                > it's own built-in formats is also very important. At our work, we are
                > evaluating it on it's ability to DISPLAY Word and Excel files. Any
                > modification or new documents will be saved in the StarOffice/OpenOffice
                > native format. Part of the point is not just having a cheaper office
                > suite, but having open file formats.
                >
                > -Jim
                >
                >
                >
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