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  • varun_trvd
    Respected Vishal ji, One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is : khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure asar se bachav ke liye
    Message 1 of 39 , Feb 14, 2009
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      Respected Vishal ji,

       

      One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is :

       

      " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke bure asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in khano [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain" [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 908 ]

       

      Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house.

       

      The 10th house karak of Mars is  shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan [ sweet food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ]

       

      The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [ father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ]

       

      Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can be offering sweet food to a person who you think your father regards as his dharma bhai.

       

      In case you find it difficult to locate and feed  a dharma bhai of your father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of the house could be the second best choice.

       

      Regards,

       

      Varun Trivedi

       


       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "vishalastrologer" <vishalastrologer@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Respected Kulbir ji,
      >
      > i think Mr. mahajan is busy so
      > he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr.
      > mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house ,upay
      > should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th
      > house.
      >
      > With Regards
      >
      > Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)
      >
      >
      > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "vishalastrologer"
      > vishalastrologer@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Respected Mahajan ji,
      > >
      > > Sadar Pranam,
      > >
      > > aap ne
      > > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se
      > > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki
      > madad
      > > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh
      > > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example
      > > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se
      > > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta
      > hai
      > > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise
      > > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad
      > >
      > > With Regards
      > >
      > > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "varun_trvd"
      > > varun_trvd@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Respected Mahajan ji,
      > > >
      > > > Beautifully put !!
      > > >
      > > > I agree with you when you say:
      > > >
      > > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki
      > > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah
      > > > ki koi bhee ashya"
      > > >
      > > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.
      > > >
      > > > Regards,
      > > >
      > > > Varun Trivedi
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, Hemant Mohan
      > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,
      > > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee
      > > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to
      > > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?
      > > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan
      > > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki
      > > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh
      > > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya
      > > > upay kiya jaye.
      > > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye
      > > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone
      > > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka
      > > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi
      > > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol
      > > > data hai.
      > > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki
      > > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah
      > > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh
      > > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein
      > > > ashya badal jati hai.
      > > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss
      > > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki
      > > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee
      > > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya
      > > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit
      > > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho.
      > > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain
      > > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho
      > > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh
      > > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE
      > > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).
      > > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye
      > > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi
      > > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki
      > > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee
      > > > lein.
      > > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.
      > > > > Mahajan
      > > > > ?
      > > > >
      > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > From: kulbir bance kulbirbance@
      > > > > Subject: LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon
      > > > > To: lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM
      > > > >
      > > > > Varun ji,
      > > > >
      > > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been
      > > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part
      > is
      > > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.
      > > > >
      > > > > Regards.
      > > > >
      > > > > Kulbir.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:
      > > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how
      > person/self/body
      > > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding
      > > > alchohol i
      > > > > > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh hove". I may
      > > > > be
      > > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In
      > > > the case
      > > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be
      > > > related
      > > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I
      > > > think
      > > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards.
      > > > Kulbir.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:
      > > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga
      > > > (poison
      > > > > >> combination).
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.
      > > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your
      > > > goodselves.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce
      > > > > the
      > > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than
      > > > this
      > > > > >> remedy could work, else not.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is
      > > > making the
      > > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn)
      > > > which
      > > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person
      > > > > elevated
      > > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this
      > > > poison,
      > > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like
      > > > orange
      > > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in
      > > > the body]
      > > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as
      > > > it
      > > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Thanking you,
      > > > > >> Best Wishes,
      > > > > >> Vijay Goel
      > > > > >> Jaipur.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "varun_trvd"
      > > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink
      > > > > water
      > > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste,
      > > > for 43
      > > > > days
      > > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words
      > he
      > > > > should
      > > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing
      > > > else.
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly
      > > > be in
      > > > > the
      > > > > >>> line :
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho"
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to
      > > > moon
      > > > > and
      > > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some
      > one
      > > > > has a
      > > > > >>> better explanation.
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> Regards,
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> Varun Trivedi
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
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      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>>
      > > > > >>> --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance
      > > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> > Varun ji,
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon
      > > > > >>> > combination.
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> > Regards.
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> > Kulbir
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> >
      > > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to
      > > > > alcohol is
      > > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for
      > > > > example, in
      > > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would
      > > > > help.
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory
      > > > > statements in terms
      > > > > >>> of
      > > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat
      > > > > and says :
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta
      > > > > ho⤠[
      > > > > >>> 1952
      > > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through
      > > > > the health
      > > > > >>> loss,
      > > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the
      > > > > Saturn itself
      > > > > >>> when
      > > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a
      > > > > malefic; because
      > > > > >>> in
      > > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya.
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > Regards,
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi
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      > > > > >>> > >
      > > > > >>> > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance
      > > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:
      > > > > >>> > >>
      > > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,
      > > > > >>> > >>
      > > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect
      > > > > health
      > > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine
      > > > > for health
      > > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable
      > > > > only when mars
      > > > > >>> in
      > > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use
      > > > > alchohol only when
      > > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health
      > > > > it is good to
      > > > > >>> > >> abstain.
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    • varun_trvd
      Dear Kulbir bhai, A copper dibbi would be ideal. In case one doesn t find a copper dibbi then an earthen pot will also do. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi ...
      Message 39 of 39 , Feb 15, 2009
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        Dear Kulbir bhai,

        A copper dibbi would be ideal. In case one doesn't find a copper
        dibbi then an earthen pot will also do.

        Have a nice day,

        Varun Trivedi









        --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance
        <kulbirbance@...> wrote:
        >
        > Varun ji,
        >
        > regarding establishment of honey in the west direction, what
        > type of container would be the best.
        >
        > Regards.
        >
        > Kulbir.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > On 2/14/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Respected Vishal ji,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > One of the rules for Rahu and Ketu upaya is :
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > " khana 1, 4, 7, 10, mein Rahu Ketu ke baithe hone ke waqt unke
        bure
        > > asar se bachav ke liye un grahon ka upaya madadgar hoga jo ki in
        khano
        > > [1,4,7,10] mein uchcha muqarrar kiye gaye hain" [ 1952 Urdu ed;
        page
        > > 908 ]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Therefore for the Rahu in the 10th house the upaya has to be done
        > > through Mars; because Mars gets exalted in the 10th house.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The 10th house karak of Mars is shahad [ honey] ; meetha bhojan
        [ sweet
        > > food ] and khaand [ country sugar] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1006 ]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The 10th house karak relative is the dharma bhai of father [
        > > father's soul brother] [ 1952 Urdu ed; page 1012 ]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Therefore one of the upaya for Rahu placed in the 10th house can
        be
        > > offering sweet food to a person who you think your father
        regards as his
        > > dharma bhai.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > In case you find it difficult to locate and feed a dharma bhai
        of your
        > > father, then establishing a little honey in the west corner of
        the house
        > > could be the second best choice.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Varun Trivedi
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "vishalastrologer"
        > > <vishalastrologer@> wrote:
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> Respected Kulbir ji,
        > >>
        > >> i think Mr. mahajan is busy so
        > >> he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of
        what mr.
        > >> mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th
        house
        > > ,upay
        > >> should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to
        10th
        > >> house.
        > >>
        > >> With Regards
        > >>
        > >> Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi)
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "vishalastrologer"
        > >> vishalastrologer@ wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > Respected Mahajan ji,
        > >> >
        > >> > Sadar Pranam,
        > >> >
        > >> > aap ne
        > >> > ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke
        hisaab se
        > >> > madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai
        mangal ki
        > >> madad
        > >> > lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se
        sambandh
        > >> > kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi
        example
        > >> > hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri
        tarah se
        > >> > samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh
        rakhta
        > >> hai
        > >> > ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to
        mujh jaise
        > >> > agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa
        jaye.dhanyawad
        > >> >
        > >> > With Regards
        > >> >
        > >> > Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi)
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "varun_trvd"
        > >> > varun_trvd@ wrote:
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Respected Mahajan ji,
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Beautifully put !!
        > >> > >
        > >> > > I agree with you when you say:
        > >> > >
        > >> > > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss
        grah ki
        > >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki
        uss
        > > grah
        > >> > > ki koi bhee ashya"
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable.
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Regards,
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Varun Trivedi
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, Hemant Mohan
        > >> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members,
        > >> > > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh
        bhee
        > >> > > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee
        to
        > >> > > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ?
        > >> > > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein
        jahan
        > >> > > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein,
        Shani ki
        > >> > > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai
        vayakti
        > > ulajh
        > >> > > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye
        ya kya
        > >> > > upay kiya jaye.
        > >> > > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya
        kiya
        > > jaye
        > >> > > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari
        jinhone
        > >> > > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK
        ka
        > >> > > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta
        hai.Yehi
        > >> > > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka
        bhed khol
        > >> > > data hai.
        > >> > > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss
        grah ki
        > >> > > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki
        uss
        > > grah
        > >> > > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana
        mein
        > > woh
        > >> > > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har
        khana
        > > mein
        > >> > > ashya badal jati hai.
        > >> > > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya
        Dariya. iss
        > >> > > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain
        na ki
        > >> > > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap
        jo
        > > bhee
        > >> > > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani
        ya
        > >> > > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper
        > > likhit
        > >> > > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko
        fayda na
        > > ho.
        > >> > > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh
        janate
        > > hain
        > >> > > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka
        bhala ho
        > >> > > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK
        mein
        > > budh
        > >> > > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR
        KUREDANE
        > > SE
        > >> > > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2).
        > >> > > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position
        dekhi jaye
        > >> > > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position
        dekhne ki
        > > koi
        > >> > > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye
        chander
        > > ki
        > >> > > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur
        par pee
        > >> > > lein.
        > >> > > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon.
        > >> > > > Mahajan
        > >> > > > ?
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > From: kulbir bance kulbirbance@
        > >> > > > Subject: LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon
        > >> > > > To: lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com
        > >> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > Varun ji,
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been
        > >> > > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that
        intoxication part
        > >> is
        > >> > > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu.
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > Regards.
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > Kulbir.
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > >
        > >> > > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote:
        > >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how
        > >> person/self/body
        > >> > > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate.
        Regarding
        > >> > > alchohol i
        > >> > > > > think the underlying principle is "nesh se ganesh
        hove". I may
        > >> > > > be
        > >> > > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by
        mer+ketu. In
        > >> > > the case
        > >> > > > > under purview the malady has been specifically
        mentioned to be
        > >> > > related
        > >> > > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over
        body.
        > > I
        > >> > > think
        > >> > > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus.
        Regards.
        > >> > > Kulbir.
        > >> > > > >
        > >> > > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:
        > >> > > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members,
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish
        Yoga
        > >> > > (poison
        > >> > > > >> combination).
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon.
        > >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of
        saturn.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by
        your
        > >> > > goodselves.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still
        > > produce
        > >> > > > the
        > >> > > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to
        health
        > > than
        > >> > > this
        > >> > > > >> remedy could work, else not.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which
        is
        > >> > > making the
        > >> > > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol
        (saturn)
        > >> > > which
        > >> > > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person
        > >> > > > elevated
        > >> > > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn).
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out
        from
        > > this
        > >> > > poison,
        > >> > > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a
        mirage.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin
        C,
        > > like
        > >> > > orange
        > >> > > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions
        (sun) in
        > >> > > the body]
        > >> > > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure
        water
        > > as
        > >> > > it
        > >> > > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> Thanking you,
        > >> > > > >> Best Wishes,
        > >> > > > >> Vijay Goel
        > >> > > > >> Jaipur.
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >>
        > >> > > > >> --- In
        lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "varun_trvd"
        > >> > > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote:
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai,
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native
        should
        > > drink
        > >> > > > water
        > >> > > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and
        taste,
        > >> > > for 43
        > >> > > > days
        > >> > > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In
        other words
        > >> he
        > >> > > > should
        > >> > > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some
        thing
        > >> > > else.
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could
        possibly
        > >> > > be in
        > >> > > > the
        > >> > > > >>> line :
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho"
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ]
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding
        strength to
        > >> > > moon
        > >> > > > and
        > >> > > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda.
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear
        if some
        > >> one
        > >> > > > has a
        > >> > > > >>> better explanation.
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> Regards,
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> Varun Trivedi
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>>
        > >> > > > >>> --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kulbir
        bance
        > >> > > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote:
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> > Varun ji,
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon
        > >> > > > >>> > combination.
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> > Regards.
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> > Kulbir
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> >
        > >> > > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable.
        Addiction to
        > >> > > > alcohol is
        > >> > > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic.
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor
        for
        > >> > > > example, in
        > >> > > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya
        would
        > >> > > > help.
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory
        > >> > > > statements in terms
        > >> > > > >>> of
        > >> > > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened.
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism
        ki sehat
        > >> > > > and says :
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud
        deta
        > >> > > > ho⤠[
        > >> > > > >>> 1952
        > >> > > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ]
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated
        through
        > >> > > > the health
        > >> > > > >>> loss,
        > >> > > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the
        > >> > > > Saturn itself
        > >> > > > >>> when
        > >> > > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation.
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a
        > >> > > > malefic; because
        > >> > > > >>> in
        > >> > > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an
        upaya.
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > Regards,
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi
        > >> > > > >>> > >
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        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > >
        > >> > > > >>> > > --- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com,
        kulbir bance
        > >> > > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:
        > >> > > > >>> > >>
        > >> > > > >>> > >> Varun ji,
        > >> > > > >>> > >>
        > >> > > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will
        effect
        > >> > > > health
        > >> > > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a
        remedy/medicine
        > >> > > > for health
        > >> > > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2
        applicable
        > >> > > > only when mars
        > >> > > > >>> in
        > >> > > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use
        > >> > > > alchohol only when
        > >> > > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill
        health
        > >> > > > it is good to
        > >> > > > >>> > >> abstain.
        > >> > > > >>> > >>
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