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  • bifron6666
    hello everybody, I see on the post someone have a problem with a size narrower ( the north one ) and i have the same problem. I want to known if someone now
    Message 1 of 22 , Oct 1, 2007
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      hello everybody,
      I see on the post someone have a problem with a size narrower ( the
      north one ) and i have the same problem.
      I want to known if someone now why , and how correct this . I work
      with a cardboard , can this be the pb ?
      waiting for your comment ... thanks ...
    • Michael P
      ... It has to do with the way you cross the threads in the first movement, left-hand on top or right-hand on top. One of those causes half the crossover to
      Message 2 of 22 , Oct 1, 2007
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        --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, "bifron6666" <bifron6666@...> wrote:
        >
        > hello everybody,
        > I see on the post someone have a problem with a size narrower ( the
        > north one ) and i have the same problem.
        > I want to known if someone now why , and how correct this . I work
        > with a cardboard , can this be the pb ?
        > waiting for your comment ... thanks ...
        >

        It has to do with the way you cross the threads in the first movement,
        left-hand on top or right-hand on top. One of those causes half the
        crossover to overlap with the side thread, thus giving you a shorter
        north face. The problem is that I never recall which one :)

        Hope that helps,
        Michael
      • bifron6666
        ... thanks michael, but I try both way ( R/L for the north and L/R for the south , and L/R for the north and L/R for the south) and I have the problem again
        Message 3 of 22 , Oct 1, 2007
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          --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, "Michael P" <meushi@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, "bifron6666" <bifron6666@> wrote:
          > >
          > > hello everybody,
          > > I see on the post someone have a problem with a size narrower ( the
          > > north one ) and i have the same problem.
          > > I want to known if someone now why , and how correct this . I work
          > > with a cardboard , can this be the pb ?
          > > waiting for your comment ... thanks ...
          > >
          >
          > It has to do with the way you cross the threads in the first movement,
          > left-hand on top or right-hand on top. One of those causes half the
          > crossover to overlap with the side thread, thus giving you a shorter
          > north face. The problem is that I never recall which one :)
          >
          > Hope that helps,
          > Michael
          >

          thanks michael,
          but I try both way ( R/L for the north and L/R for the south , and
          L/R for the north and L/R for the south) and I have the problem again
          >< ...
          but maybe if we start with the north for the first layer , and the
          south for the second etc ... that's will balance the braiding ...
          did someone try this ?
        • ClairePG@aol.com
          I ve been doing my Kumi with a variety of cotton threads and cords as well as a wide variety of yarns, some very thick and others very fine. I ve used some of
          Message 4 of 22 , Oct 2, 2007
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            I've been doing my Kumi with a variety of cotton threads and cords as
            well as a wide variety of yarns, some very thick and others very fine.
            I've used some of those neat yarns that are like homespun with varying
            thickness. I've gotten some very pretty and interesting braids.

            I'd like to try using real silk cording similar to what is used in the
            traditional Kumi - but don't know what to look for or where to find it.
            I am working on a foam disk, not a wooden marudai. What kind of silk
            thread should I look for? What weight?
            I use 8 bobbins at a time, but might try using 16. I usually figure
            about 5 feet of material per bobbin (or multiples of 5 feet if the
            material is very thin). I have no idea how to figure how much silk I
            would need to produce a fairly thin braid of around 18-20 inches,
            finished length.


            Claire

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            -----Original Message-----
            From: bifron6666 <bifron6666@...>
            To: kumi2@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 2:46 am
            Subject: [kumi2] Re: pb with hira kara 16 tama

























            --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, "Michael P" <meushi@...> wrote:

            >

            > --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, "bifron6666" <bifron6666@> wrote:

            > >

            > > hello everybody,

            > > I see on the post someone have a problem with a size narrower ( the

            > > north one ) and i have the same problem.

            > > I want to known if someone now why , and how correct this . I work

            > > with a cardboard , can this be the pb ?

            > > waiting for your comment ... thanks ...

            > >

            >

            > It has to do with the way you cross the threads in the first movement,

            > left-hand on top or right-hand on top. One of those causes half the

            > crossover to overlap with the side thread, thus giving you a shorter

            > north face. The problem is that I never recall which one :)

            >

            > Hope that helps,

            > Michael

            >



            thanks michael,

            but I try both way ( R/L for the north and L/R for the south , and

            L/R for the north and L/R for the south) and I have the problem again

            >< ...

            but maybe if we start with the north for the first layer , and the

            south for the second etc ... that's will balance the braiding ...

            did someone try this ?





















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          • bifron6666
            ... I have seen some video where they use silk ... they use a very thin thread like the one for weaving or sewing and use 10 to 20 thread by tama ( just make
            Message 5 of 22 , Oct 3, 2007
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              --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:(...)

              I have seen some video where they use silk ... they use a very thin
              thread like the one for weaving or sewing and use 10 to 20 thread by
              tama ( just make some try to see the width of your kumihimo) .
              For the lenght , i use generaly 10 feet of threads by tama(and 4
              thread by tama) , and have a little less than 7 feet of kumihimo( 3
              for 2).
              For the fabric you can use Satin or rayon , less expensive than silk.

              Ah, and a comment for all of you who use a card board .. don't try to
              make flat kumihimo on it , you will have a narrower side ... to make
              the north side equal to the south , you need to balance all the thread
              , easy to do with weight-tama , not with card board...

              I seek for good instruction for make my own marudai , or buy a cheap
              one , if someone can give me some help ^^

              bye.
            • councilsusan
              Braider s hand (she posts here too) has a GREAT selection of silks and Imposter/Biron (Silk substitutes that are VERY nice). Biron is being cycled out, either
              Message 6 of 22 , Oct 3, 2007
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                Braider's hand (she posts here too) has a GREAT selection of silks
                and Imposter/Biron (Silk substitutes that are VERY nice). Biron is
                being cycled out, either not being produced or not being carried.
                She has a lot of information on her site about the threads and
                generally I use 4-5 strands of Silk/Imposter for each "thread" for
                the Kumi. An 8 strand braid is going to be very thing at that. I
                use 16 strands usually with the Silks. Braider's Hand-
                http://www.braidershand.com/threadsform1.html

                Their Tama are fabulous too and I LOVE them. I use a Marudai made
                from a wooden stool (Love the Micheal's 40% off coupon) with a 3
                inch hole drilled in the top middle and sanded to death for a mirror
                finish. It works well as a cheap substitute for the real thing.
                Susan

                --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                >
                >
                > I'd like to try using real silk cording similar to what is used in
                the
                > traditional Kumi - but don't know what to look for or where to
                find it.
                > Claire
              • Ruth Blau
                ... You can make flat braids on a square foam card. Here s a link to a photo of one on the Braidershand website: http://www.braidershand.com/disk.html You
                Message 7 of 22 , Oct 3, 2007
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                  >Ah, and a comment for all of you who use a card board .. don't try to
                  >make flat kumihimo on it , you will have a narrower side ...

                  You can make flat braids on a square foam card. Here's a link to a
                  photo of one on the Braidershand website:

                  http://www.braidershand.com/disk.html

                  You need to scroll down from the top of the page a bit to see the
                  square foam card.

                  Ruth
                • ClairePG@aol.com
                  Thank you for the information on silk thread. I had thought of using sewing weight thread. I ll try it. Claire ClaireCreations Visit my shop at:
                  Message 8 of 22 , Oct 3, 2007
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                    Thank you for the information on silk thread. I had thought of using
                    sewing weight thread. I'll try it.


                    Claire

                    ClaireCreations

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                    visit my blog: 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                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: bifron6666 <bifron6666@...>
                    To: kumi2@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 7:32 am
                    Subject: [kumi2] Re: about silk cord

























                    --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:(...)



                    I have seen some video where they use silk ... they use a very thin

                    thread like the one for weaving or sewing and use 10 to 20 thread by

                    tama ( just make some try to see the width of your kumihimo) .

                    For the lenght , i use generaly 10 feet of threads by tama(and 4

                    thread by tama) , and have a little less than 7 feet of kumihimo( 3

                    for 2).

                    For the fabric you can use Satin or rayon , less expensive than silk.



                    Ah, and a comment for all of you who use a card board .. don't try to

                    make flat kumihimo on it , you will have a narrower side ... to make

                    the north side equal to the south , you need to balance all the thread

                    , easy to do with weight-tama , not with card board...



                    I seek for good instruction for make my own marudai , or buy a cheap

                    one , if someone can give me some help ^^



                    bye.





















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                  • Michael P
                    Claire, If you go for the sewing weight silk, you will definitely need a thread rack or something similar to speed up the warping. See
                    Message 9 of 22 , Oct 4, 2007
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                      Claire,

                      If you go for the sewing weight silk, you will definitely need a
                      thread rack or something similar to speed up the warping. See
                      http://www.braidweaver.com/warpa.html to see what I'm talking about.

                      To give an idea of the scale of braiding with sewing silk, the "fun at
                      a small scale" braids (in my photos here) were made with 4 ends of
                      "00" silk per tama. As far as I know, "00" silk is the closest you can
                      get to what was traditionally used.

                      At retail price, braiding with "00" silk is quite expensive... in the
                      local shops, I can get 550m of 1.5mm cotton for the price of 100m of
                      "00" silk. I am now looking for cheaper sources like directly buying
                      silk skeins from India/China. Of course, there will be extra hardware
                      required if going that way.

                      Michael

                      --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                      >
                      > Thank you for the information on silk thread. I had thought of using
                      > sewing weight thread. I'll try it.
                      >
                      >
                      > Claire
                      >
                      > ClaireCreations
                      >
                      > Visit my shop at: http:/www.ClaireCreations.etsy.com
                      >
                      > See my work at: community.http:/www.webshots.com/user/clairepg
                      >
                      > See more of my work at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clairecreations/
                      >
                      > visit my blog: http:www.clairecreations.blogspot.com
                      >
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: bifron6666 <bifron6666@...>
                      > To: kumi2@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 7:32 am
                      > Subject: [kumi2] Re: about silk cord
                      >
                      > --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@ wrote:(...)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I have seen some video where they use silk ... they use a very thin
                      >
                      > thread like the one for weaving or sewing and use 10 to 20 thread by
                      >
                      > tama ( just make some try to see the width of your kumihimo) .
                      >
                      > For the lenght , i use generaly 10 feet of threads by tama(and 4
                      >
                      > thread by tama) , and have a little less than 7 feet of kumihimo( 3
                      >
                      > for 2).
                      >
                      > For the fabric you can use Satin or rayon , less expensive than silk.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Ah, and a comment for all of you who use a card board .. don't try to
                      >
                      > make flat kumihimo on it , you will have a narrower side ... to make
                      >
                      > the north side equal to the south , you need to balance all the thread
                      >
                      > , easy to do with weight-tama , not with card board...
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I seek for good instruction for make my own marudai , or buy a cheap
                      >
                      > one , if someone can give me some help ^^
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > bye.
                      >
                      >________________________________________________________________________
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                      >
                    • ClairePG@aol.com
                      Thanks for the link on preparing the silk threads. This is WAY more elaborate than anything I m going to be doing. I m working on a simple round foam disk with
                      Message 10 of 22 , Oct 4, 2007
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                        Thanks for the link on preparing the silk threads. This is WAY more
                        elaborate than anything I'm going to be doing. I'm working on a simple
                        round foam disk with 8 bobbins.


                        Claire

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                      • Michael P
                        Claire, even for 8 tama, you ll need to warp a lot :) At 16 ends per tama you need 128 threads of silk. 128 threads of 00 silk will still give you a narrow
                        Message 11 of 22 , Oct 5, 2007
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                          Claire,

                          even for 8 tama, you'll need to warp a lot :) At 16 ends per tama you
                          need 128 threads of silk. 128 threads of "00" silk will still give you
                          a narrow braid while taking way too much time to warp. For reference,
                          I spent more time warping than braiding for the "fun at a small scale"
                          experiments. By using a bobbin rack, you cut that time back quite
                          drastically.

                          Another aspect of warping silk is that you will definitely need to
                          twine it (to stop it tangling). With cotton, I can normally get away
                          without twining if there is less than 50 ends since you can untangle
                          by carefully pulling on the threads. Every time I tried to pull gently
                          on tangled silk, it snapped and wasted the entire warp (expensive).

                          Hope that helps,
                          Michael

                          --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                          >
                          > Thanks for the link on preparing the silk threads. This is WAY more
                          > elaborate than anything I'm going to be doing. I'm working on a simple
                          > round foam disk with 8 bobbins.
                          >
                          >
                          > Claire
                          >
                          > ClaireCreations
                          >
                          > Visit my shop at: http:/www.ClaireCreations.etsy.com
                          >
                          > See my work at: community.http:/www.webshots.com/user/clairepg
                          >
                          > See more of my work at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clairecreations/
                          >
                          > visit my blog: http:www.clairecreations.blogspot.com
                          >
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                        • bifron6666
                          ... hi, I first use a square card for my first try , and have a trapezoidal shape for my flat hira kara ... ( the tama placing was 4 tama on each N/S/E/W side)
                          Message 12 of 22 , Oct 5, 2007
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                            --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, Ruth Blau <ruthblau@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > >Ah, and a comment for all of you who use a card board .. don't try to
                            > >make flat kumihimo on it , you will have a narrower side ...
                            >
                            > You can make flat braids on a square foam card. Here's a link to a
                            > photo of one on the Braidershand website:
                            >
                            > http://www.braidershand.com/disk.html
                            >
                            > You need to scroll down from the top of the page a bit to see the
                            > square foam card.
                            >
                            > Ruth
                            >
                            hi,
                            I first use a square card for my first try , and have a trapezoidal
                            shape for my flat hira kara ... ( the tama placing was 4 tama on each
                            N/S/E/W side) but i will try with a different placing and tell you the
                            result )
                            ganbate ^^
                          • ClairePG@aol.com
                            What s a bobbin rack and where do you get one? Can you make one? Claire ClaireCreations Visit my shop at: http:/www.ClaireCreations.etsy.com See my work at:
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                              What's a bobbin rack and where do you get one? Can you make one?


                              Claire

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                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Michael P <meushi@...>
                              To: kumi2@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 4:04 am
                              Subject: [kumi2] Re: about silk cord

























                              Claire,



                              even for 8 tama, you'll need to warp a lot :) At 16 ends per tama you

                              need 128 threads of silk. 128 threads of "00" silk will still give you

                              a narrow braid while taking way too much time to warp. For reference,

                              I spent more time warping than braiding for the "fun at a small scale"

                              experiments. By using a bobbin rack, you cut that time back quite

                              drastically.



                              Another aspect of warping silk is that you will definitely need to

                              twine it (to stop it tangling). With cotton, I can normally get away

                              without twining if there is less than 50 ends since you can untangle

                              by carefully pulling on the threads. Every time I tried to pull gently

                              on tangled silk, it snapped and wasted the entire warp (expensive).



                              Hope that helps,

                              Michael



                              --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:

                              >

                              > Thanks for the link on preparing the silk threads. This is WAY more

                              > elaborate than anything I'm going to be doing. I'm working on a
                              simple

                              > round foam disk with 8 bobbins.

                              >

                              >

                              > Claire

                              >

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                            • ClairePG@aol.com
                              I ve made a flat braid using the round foam disk. Used different types of ribbon on 8 bobbins. Came out pretty good. Claire ClaireCreations Visit my shop at:
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                                I've made a flat braid using the round foam disk. Used different types
                                of ribbon on 8 bobbins. Came out pretty good.


                                Claire

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                              • bifron6666
                                ... hi, I ve make one with 8 bobbins to , and don t have the problem . I have a problem only with the 16 bobbins flat braid ... and I don t want make one with
                                Message 15 of 22 , Oct 5, 2007
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                                  --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I've made a flat braid using the round foam disk. Used different types
                                  > of ribbon on 8 bobbins. Came out pretty good.
                                  >
                                  > Claire

                                  hi,
                                  I've make one with 8 bobbins to , and don't have the problem . I have
                                  a problem only with the 16 bobbins flat braid ... and I don't want
                                  make one with more bobbins if I do not understand why I have this problem.
                                  thanks ...
                                • Michael P
                                  Claire, at its simplest level, a bobbin rack is a plank with several dowels at the bottom (to hold the cones or bobbins) and something at the top to keep the
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Oct 6, 2007
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                                    Claire,

                                    at its simplest level, a bobbin rack is a plank with several dowels at
                                    the bottom (to hold the cones or bobbins) and something at the top to
                                    keep the threads from tangling. More complex ones look like shelves
                                    with eyelets to guide the thread.


                                    You can find them on ebay or at weaving suppliers. See
                                    http://camillavalleyfarm.com/weave/bobbinracks.htm for an example of
                                    the different models, notice it can get quite expensive. The 8 cones
                                    bobbin rack should be quite easy to make by yourself for a few dollars
                                    (up to 12 bobbins should be easy).

                                    Hope that helps,
                                    Michael

                                    --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    > What's a bobbin rack and where do you get one? Can you make one?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Claire
                                    >
                                    > ClaireCreations
                                    >
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                                    >
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                                  • none redmond
                                    Before you go to the expense of buying a warping board or warping reel why not try making a braid or two from the beautiful fibres that Janis Saunders has at
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                                      Before you go to the expense of buying a warping board or warping reel
                                      why not try making a braid or two from the beautiful fibres that Janis
                                      Saunders has at Braidershand. A package or two of your favourite
                                      colours will make several marudai braids. If you have to use silk you
                                      will find that it is pre-cut into obijima lengths and there is
                                      certainly no need to twine it for it separates and divides easily.
                                      Silk is a fibre actually that seems to separate as one handles it
                                      because it will pick up and carry a small charge from the friction of
                                      ones hands.

                                      At least, this is what i have found. I am a bit embarrassed to write
                                      this for some of the things you are talking about i have never heard
                                      of. However, I do know that Janis' silk is beautiful and it is
                                      'proper' braiding silk and easy to use.

                                      None

                                      On Friday, October 5, 2007, at 01:04 AM, Michael P wrote:

                                      > Claire,
                                      >
                                      > even for 8 tama, you'll need to warp a lot :) At 16 ends per tama you
                                      > need 128 threads of silk. 128 threads of "00" silk will still give you
                                      > a narrow braid while taking way too much time to warp. For reference,
                                      > I spent more time warping than braiding for the "fun at a small scale"
                                      > experiments. By using a bobbin rack, you cut that time back quite
                                      > drastically.
                                      >
                                      > Another aspect of warping silk is that you will definitely need to
                                      > twine it (to stop it tangling). With cotton, I can normally get away
                                      > without twining if there is less than 50 ends since you can untangle
                                      > by carefully pulling on the threads. Every time I tried to pull gently
                                      > on tangled silk, it snapped and wasted the entire warp (expensive).
                                      >
                                      > Hope that helps,
                                      > Michael
                                      >
                                      > --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks for the link on preparing the silk threads. This is WAY more
                                      > > elaborate than anything I'm going to be doing. I'm working on a
                                      > simple
                                      > > round foam disk with 8 bobbins.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Claire
                                      > >
                                      > > ClaireCreations
                                      > >
                                      > > Visit my shop at: http:/www.ClaireCreations.etsy.com
                                      > >
                                      > > See my work at: community.http:/www.webshots.com/user/clairepg
                                      > >
                                      > > See more of my work at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clairecreations/
                                      > >
                                      > > visit my blog: http:www.clairecreations.blogspot.com
                                      > >
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                                    • Dora Renee Wilkerson
                                      I made one not long ago. I posted a picture of it on my blog here http://bricoreandfamily.blogspot.com/2007_08_24_archive.html it s nothing fancy and I don t
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Oct 6, 2007
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                                        I made one not long ago. I posted a picture of it on my blog here
                                        http://bricoreandfamily.blogspot.com/2007_08_24_archive.html
                                        it's nothing fancy and I don't use silk but it turned out ok for the
                                        most part (I do mine a little tight but I just adjust it as I go..)


                                        Dora Renee' Wilkerson
                                      • Sarah Goslee
                                        Something else for the do-it-yourselfer: As a perfectly good bobbin rack substitute for small numbers of bobbins, poke a couple of knitting needles through a
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                                          Something else for the do-it-yourselfer:

                                          As a perfectly good bobbin rack substitute for small
                                          numbers of bobbins, poke a couple of knitting needles through
                                          a shoe box. Works beautifully- that's what I use with the
                                          spools of linen I use for weaving.

                                          Sarah

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                                        • ClairePG@aol.com
                                          Thanks for the link to the page on bobbin holders. They look so simple. Wonder why they re so expensive. I ll have my husband cobble up something for me.
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                                            Thanks for the link to the page on bobbin holders. They look so simple.
                                            Wonder why they're so expensive. I'll have my husband cobble up
                                            something for me.


                                            Claire

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                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: Michael P <meushi@...>
                                            To: kumi2@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 3:43 am
                                            Subject: [kumi2] Re: about silk cord

























                                            Claire,



                                            at its simplest level, a bobbin rack is a plank with several dowels at

                                            the bottom (to hold the cones or bobbins) and something at the top to

                                            keep the threads from tangling. More complex ones look like shelves

                                            with eyelets to guide the thread.



                                            You can find them on ebay or at weaving suppliers. See

                                            http://camillavalleyfarm.com/weave/bobbinracks.htm for an example of

                                            the different models, notice it can get quite expensive. The 8 cones

                                            bobbin rack should be quite easy to make by yourself for a few dollars

                                            (up to 12 bobbins should be easy).



                                            Hope that helps,

                                            Michael



                                            --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, ClairePG@... wrote:

                                            >

                                            > What's a bobbin rack and where do you get one? Can you make one?

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > Claire

                                            >

                                            > ClaireCreations

                                            >

                                            > Visit my shop at: http:/www.ClaireCreations.etsy.com

                                            >

                                            > See my work at: community.http:/www.webshots.com/user/clairepg

                                            >

                                            > See more of my work at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clairecreations/

                                            >

                                            > visit my blog: http:www.clairecreations.blogspot.com

















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                                          • Janis Saunders
                                            Michael, I have been thinking about your silk and I wonder if it was damaged, it really sounds like something was wrong with it as silk shouldn t be so
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                                              Michael,

                                              I have been thinking about your silk and I wonder if it was damaged,
                                              it really sounds like something was wrong with it as silk shouldn't
                                              be so fragile.

                                              Janis


                                              >Another aspect of warping silk is that you will definitely need to
                                              >twine it (to stop it tangling). With cotton, I can normally get away
                                              >without twining if there is less than 50 ends since you can untangle
                                              >by carefully pulling on the threads. Every time I tried to pull gently
                                              >on tangled silk, it snapped and wasted the entire warp (expensive).
                                              >
                                              >Hope that helps,
                                              >Michael
                                            • Michael P
                                              Janis, the silk was straight off the spool, it could be because I m generally as careful/delicate as a bull when I lose patience (when I spend too much time
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Oct 8, 2007
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                                                Janis,

                                                the silk was straight off the spool, it could be because I'm generally
                                                as careful/delicate as a bull when I lose patience (when I spend too
                                                much time warping, for example) ;) It is however also possible that
                                                the silk was low-quality.

                                                Michael

                                                --- In kumi2@yahoogroups.com, Janis Saunders <weavershand@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Michael,
                                                >
                                                > I have been thinking about your silk and I wonder if it was damaged,
                                                > it really sounds like something was wrong with it as silk shouldn't
                                                > be so fragile.
                                                >
                                                > Janis
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > >Another aspect of warping silk is that you will definitely need to
                                                > >twine it (to stop it tangling). With cotton, I can normally get away
                                                > >without twining if there is less than 50 ends since you can untangle
                                                > >by carefully pulling on the threads. Every time I tried to pull gently
                                                > >on tangled silk, it snapped and wasted the entire warp (expensive).
                                                > >
                                                > >Hope that helps,
                                                > >Michael
                                                >
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