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RE: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 195

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  • Rodrigo Herrera Vegas
    Hi, I m Rodrigo from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I m a begginer who fooled around last season with an F-One ATK and had a very hard time. I have the standard
    Message 1 of 1 , Jan 6 5:26 PM
      Hi, I'm Rodrigo from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

      I'm a begginer who fooled around last season with an F-One ATK and had a
      very hard time. I have the standard F-ONE 2.30m board also. I've been able
      to come and go a couple of times but always VERY downwind of my starting

      I'm planning to buy a Naish AR5 since I hear it is much easier to learn than
      the F-One. I tried one for an hour a couple of days ago and it's true that
      it's much more forgiving.

      The wind at my local sailing spot is very shitty. Just occasional fronts
      that I windsurf on. (I've been windsurfing for over 15 years, and I
      exclusively sail on wave equipment with 4.7m2 or less)

      My idea is to kite surf only when it's not windy enough to windsurf. Should
      I get a 11.5m, 13.5m, or 15.5m Naish AR5 considering I'm a begginer?

      Thanks for your advice.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: ksurfschool@egroups.com [mailto:ksurfschool@egroups.com]
      Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:03 AM
      To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
      Subject: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 195

      There are 4 messages in this issue.

      Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Digest Number 191
      From: "Jon Sykes" <Jon.Sykes@...>
      2. KiteSki is gone?
      From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...>
      3. RE: Digest Number 191
      From: "Farnsworth, Kenny" <kenny@...>
      4. Re: ARX.......
      From: kiteboard@...


      Message: 1
      Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:15:46 -0800
      From: "Jon Sykes" <Jon.Sykes@...>
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 191

      Thanks for all your advice guys.... I never expected such a response....

      it looks as though I should find myself a cheap directional for the spring,
      and order my wake-n-style for the summer months....

      on another note, my new kite has just arrived... I have purchased the 4-line
      PL Arc to learn with.... its the 6m model.... does anyone know which bar
      would be best to use?

      thanks again for all your help

      Edinburgh, Scotland

      Tel: 07801 827855


      Message: 2
      Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:36:13 -0500
      From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...>
      Subject: KiteSki is gone?

      I was just trying to see any news at www.kiteskiworld.com and found that
      the site is no longer operating.

      I am not sure whether this is just a temporary issue or permanent.

      It would be a big loss to the kitesurfing community if KiteSki (one of
      the inventor of kitesurfing) was no longer with us.



      Message: 3
      Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:48:05 -0700
      From: "Farnsworth, Kenny" <kenny@...>
      Subject: RE: Digest Number 191


      You are ahead of me. I am still using the foot straps. The biggest reason
      why is that the water is only a couple feet deep at my favorite lake.

      It took me a few sessions to really get dialed in on the Wake-N-Style, but I
      noticed that I progressed much more rapidly once I started using the
      Wake-N-Style. I have to agree that it was my salvation. Before I started
      using the Wake-N-Style, kitesurfing was more agravating than fun.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dave Raue [mailto:theraves@...]
      Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:35 PM
      To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 191

      FWIW, I completely agree with you Kenny. I never bother to learn to jibe
      directional either, and the Wake-n-style was my salvation. I got it after I
      was doing water starts, ripping fast, and getting upwind on a directional
      and I haven't really used the directional since. I put bindings on it my
      second day out. I don't have the patience to get very analytical about
      differences in technique, but I found that the differences weren't worth
      mentioning and the wake-n-style took about 5 minutes to get wired in. My
      analogy is to snow skiing - you weight differently in powder vs hardpack vs
      ice, you just fool around with weight and stance a little and then it just
      locks in!

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Farnsworth, Kenny" <kenny@...>
      To: <ksurfschool@egroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:27 PM
      Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 191

      > Martyn,
      > You are right about the technique for using a twin tip. It is a different
      > technique, but I doubt that it is really much more difficult, just
      > different. It took me a couple sessions to figure it out and I had my
      > share of face plants (best avoided, by doing small power strokes to
      > determine the strength of the wind, rather than starting with a big power
      > stroke). Once I figured out the technique, I was sold.
      > I hope you have the opportunity to get a twin tip in the near future. I
      > going to try the new production Litewave Wake-N-Style in Oahu next week.
      > will let you know what I think.
      > Kenny
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: martyn gilson [mailto:martyngilson@...]
      > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:49 AM
      > To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 191
      > Hi Kenny,
      > I tried the twin tip with footstraps. I got going on
      > it a couple of times but I think people at your
      > standard quickly forget about the transition between
      > these techniques.
      > For instance, three things:
      > Water starting a twin tip involves a different
      > technique. With a larger directional, the extra
      > volume is more forgiving. I had my feet in the
      > straps, getting munched by the white water, dived the
      > kite and stood up. It was windy and I had plenty of
      > power but merely standing up as I do (well used to do)
      > on a directional, sank the board like a brick. The
      > predictable face plant was inevitable- nice. Ok, so
      > the knees must be bent, arse touching the water until
      > your on the plan and only then can one stand up and
      > push with the legs. Well it feels like that in
      > comparison to a directional.
      > The other thing I found is that on a directional is
      > that it can directed easier. Sounds obvious but a
      > twin tip feels like kiting without fins until one hops
      > on to the plane and uses the edge.
      > Thirdly the flat rocker demands a different technique
      > to get over chop, white water and waves.
      > All I am saying is that it is a different technique.
      > Maybe if these techniques are the first ones learnt
      > and the technique transition is the difficult part
      > then it is possible to learn on a wake style board.
      > (Old dog new tricks?) :-)
      > Heh, it's all in the kite flying, I am yet to hear
      > about kite surfers using bare feet to surf. I bet
      > some can and they can fly up wind on their size 10s.
      > When I am better I am definitely getting a twin tip,
      > just not yet...
      > Must go - home time!
      > Martyn
      > --- "Farnsworth, Kenny" <kenny@...> wrote:
      > > Martyn,
      > >
      > > Did you try a twin tip with wakeboard bindings or
      > > did it have foot straps?
      > > The great thing about the Wake-N-Style is that you
      > > can start out with foot
      > > straps and then move to bindings when you feel
      > > ready. I found that a big
      > > directional (7'1") was a real pain in strong winds
      > > and waves because it was
      > > so difficult to acquire the board and keep it in
      > > place. I have found the
      > > Wake-N-Style to be much easier to handle and it
      > > rides better in the chop.
      > >
      > > Kenny
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: martyn gilson
      > > [mailto:martyngilson@...]
      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:46 AM
      > > To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 191
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi Jon,
      > >
      > > There is only one way to know and that is to blag a
      > > go
      > > on a twin tip style board. At the beginner stage,
      > > you
      > > need more kite AND board control to use a twin tip
      > > (and again more for a wake board). Conditions like
      > > flat water help a lot as the waves keep knocking the
      > > board around making it difficult to start.
      > >
      > > I recently had a go on a twin tip board (thinking
      > > that
      > > I will buy one as my only board) and it made up my
      > > mind. Simply: I will not be getting one until I am
      > > more competant. I will stick with my directional
      > > for
      > > this season and then possibly get a twin tip/wake n
      > > style/wake board, as these are the boards to have,
      > > however, there is still PLENTY of fun to have on
      > > directionals.
      > >
      > > Martyn
      > >
      > > --- Jon Sykes <Jon.Sykes@...> wrote: > Hi,
      > > >
      > > > does anyone have any opinions on the Lightwave
      > > > wake-n-style boards for
      > > > beginners? The advertising implies that they would
      > > > be great boards for
      > > > beginners because you don't need to jibe to
      > > change
      > > > direction and they are
      > > > great for upwind travel... but are they stable
      > > > enough for us newbies? do you
      > > > need as much wind as you would for a traditional
      > > > wake board?
      > > >
      > > > any advice would be much appreciated...
      > > >
      > > > cheers
      > > >
      > > > Jon
      > > > Edinburgh, Scotland
      > > >
      > > > www.jon-sykes.com
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      Message: 4
      Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:12:28 EST
      From: kiteboard@...
      Subject: Re: ARX.......

      In a message dated 1/4/01 1:58:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,

      << I imagine it would be hard
      to get just about any kite out of the water in wind under 10 mph,
      especially with so much area lying on the water. Does the leading
      edge collapse and allow the kite to fold onto itself. I heard the
      Wipi 16 leading edge is stronger and doesn't collapse? >>

      I've waterlaunched my 13.5AR5 in under 10 knots, even underinflated, with
      LE collapsing, but once airborne it still doesn't seem to give me much more
      low wind riding range than my 7.5
      I find it strange that you didn't mention the very important variables of
      your weight, & whether your 9.0 is 4-lined. Even more strange that they
      responded without even asking you about either of those factors.

      << ARX are 4% more than AR5. >>

      4% more what? Cost? Weight? Projected area? "Total" area? In any case, 4%
      seems pretty insignificant.


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