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  • Rick Howe
    Steve, Thank you for your info! I ve seen the guys on surfboard in the videos and have read about it. I ve a ton of windsurfing boards and some surfboards
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 1, 2003
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      Steve,
      Thank you for your info! I've seen the guys on surfboard in the videos and have read about it. I've a ton of windsurfing boards and some surfboards and will give it a try. I'm sure my 20 Nash Aero is much better in light winds than the 19.4 Airrush - lower aspect ratio. I think you saved me some kite bucks - I owe you.
      Great day here today (Panama City Beach, FL.) - over 20 mph sideshore and 4-8 ft waves. Over powered on a 12m and 140 cm but having too much fun to go in and rig down. A great 6-7 hour session!! From tropical Storm Bill in the Gulf of Mexico.
      Thanks again - I really appreciate your advise.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Kite Power (Sydney)
      To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM
      Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


      Hey Rick get a bigger board. It will hardly cost anything, just get a big old mal surfboard, don't worry about straps on it yet (or ever).
      Quadrifoil have stopped making the xxxl kitesurfers, you may find one s/h? Large Mosquito Pro is a similar machine.
      Problem is they will not give you more power than the kites you already have. If you cannot get going with the Airush, then you will have less poswer with a quadrifoil xxxl.
      The board Hung was using is 2.3M long, and I know people who use board up to 3M long.
      Board size makes a bigger difference at very low wind levels, than style of kite.
      Cya and
      Goodwinds
      Steve McCormack
      http://www.kitepower.com.au

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Rick Howe
      To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


      Hung,
      Thanks for the info!! I've been considering a foil for some time. Here in NW Florida the winds are light most of the time. I've five kites including a 20 AERO and a 19.4 AirRush, but they often will not do the job. I use a Lightwave 181 in light winds. Any hints on where the best deal is on buying? I would really appreciate your help here. Thanks
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Hung Vu
      To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com ; kitesurf@egroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:03 PM
      Subject: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


      Every year around this time, I start to rediscover very light wind
      kitesurfing again.

      Our summer wind is very light around 3 - 10 knots.

      I went out today with a XXXL and FOne 230, cranking in wind under 7-8
      knots and managed to make some jumps too (two other kiters rigged up 20m
      inflatable but did not have a chance to go out).

      I have used several different combinations in the past and the XXXL and
      FOne 230 is an excellent combination for this very light wind.

      The main reason I like the XXXL foil is that it is made of very light
      material (Icarex 38?) and lighter kites work better in very light wind
      (I like to have an XXXXL but don't think they make one).

      The main reason I like the FOne 230 is its ability to get planning ASAP
      and sustain planning AMAP (As Much As Possible).

      I have rigged the XXXL with a foil/sled system with 30m lines. This
      system should allow me to use the XXXL from 5-6 up to 18 knots (higher
      end untested, just theory for now).

      P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing (under 10 knots) should be a part of
      all kitesurfing competitions. Now a day, all bystanders normally treat
      kitesurfing in moderate to strong wind as normal (and probably get tired
      of all the twisted tricks) but are always amazed that some special
      kitesurfers can go very fast and jump in wind less than 10 knots.

      P.P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing is a lot of fun (one of the best part
      is to answer all the questions when you get to the beach).

      P.P.P.S. Jumping and controlling a board as large as the FONE 230 is
      very challenging!

      Hung.

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    • Kite Power (Sydney)
      Quadrifoil made great kites, and provided you treated the X series kitesurfer foils with kid gloves they worked while they were in the air. If they landed on
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 1, 2003
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        Quadrifoil made great kites, and provided you treated the X series kitesurfer foils with kid gloves they worked while they were in the air. If they landed on the water and sat there for more than a couple of mins, you were swimming with a very big bag of water.
        Your arc stacks will be a much more useable option in light winds. One of the things that made the quadrifoil kitesurfers work, was the very light 100% Icarex construction. Icarex is a very strong, slightly brittle, double coated, polyester, spinnaker cloth, approx 1/2 the weight of the Chikara cloth most other foils including your arcs are made from The LFT is one reason they are working well though, cos that is one big little board!
        Cya and
        Goodwinds
        Steve McCormack
        http://www.kitepower.com.au

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: vytaspass
        To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:33 AM
        Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: Very light wind kitesurfing


        Hi HV,

        We are getting better and better at stacking Peter Lynn ARCs here in
        Chicago for light wind riding. In winds 8-10, I can get overpowered
        stacking an 18 and 13m ARC together on 30m lines with 10m extensions.

        Today, I'm using a Slingshot LFT (little fat twin) board, which is
        only 167cm long, but its fat and floaty (and also 49cm wide).

        The width helps in planing a lot. Never seen a XXXL but may check it
        out one day.

        V
        www.chicagokitesurfing.com

        --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
        > Every year around this time, I start to rediscover very light wind
        > kitesurfing again.
        >
        > Our summer wind is very light around 3 - 10 knots.
        >
        > I went out today with a XXXL and FOne 230, cranking in wind under
        7-8
        > knots and managed to make some jumps too (two other kiters rigged
        up 20m
        > inflatable but did not have a chance to go out).
        >
        > I have used several different combinations in the past and the
        XXXL and
        > FOne 230 is an excellent combination for this very light wind.
        >
        > The main reason I like the XXXL foil is that it is made of very
        light
        > material (Icarex 38?) and lighter kites work better in very light
        wind
        > (I like to have an XXXXL but don't think they make one).
        >
        > The main reason I like the FOne 230 is its ability to get planning
        ASAP
        > and sustain planning AMAP (As Much As Possible).
        >
        > I have rigged the XXXL with a foil/sled system with 30m lines. This
        > system should allow me to use the XXXL from 5-6 up to 18 knots
        (higher
        > end untested, just theory for now).
        >
        > P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing (under 10 knots) should be a part
        of
        > all kitesurfing competitions. Now a day, all bystanders normally
        treat
        > kitesurfing in moderate to strong wind as normal (and probably get
        tired
        > of all the twisted tricks) but are always amazed that some special
        > kitesurfers can go very fast and jump in wind less than 10 knots.
        >
        > P.P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing is a lot of fun (one of the
        best part
        > is to answer all the questions when you get to the beach).
        >
        > P.P.P.S. Jumping and controlling a board as large as the FONE 230
        is
        > very challenging!
        >
        > Hung.


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      • Kite Power (Sydney)
        Hi Rick No worries, just send the beers to the shop! I would have thought you could milk more power from the Lift than the aero? Always depower high AR kites
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 1, 2003
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          Hi Rick
          No worries, just send the beers to the shop! I would have thought you could milk more power from the Lift than the aero? Always depower high AR kites (shorten front lines by a few inches) in super light winds, this gives you more power because the kite flies faster.
          Yeah just go with the bigger surfboards you have at first, if you don't like them try the smaller slalom boards you may have or can borrow.
          It is essential to actively sheet in and out in light winds in synchronicity with the up and down strokes of the kite. Sheet out when the kite has completed the down stroke and is starting to fly up, and sheet in on the down stroke, it is subtle, but makes a huge difference.
          I often notice some people out on the water with a kite size that others sitting on the beach have, but they can stay upwind and cruise when others can't, the difference is the skill of the kite flyer.
          Cya and
          Goodwinds
          Steve McCormack
          http://www.kitepower.com.au



          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Rick Howe
          To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:14 PM
          Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


          Steve,
          Thank you for your info! I've seen the guys on surfboard in the videos and have read about it. I've a ton of windsurfing boards and some surfboards and will give it a try. I'm sure my 20 Nash Aero is much better in light winds than the 19.4 Airrush - lower aspect ratio. I think you saved me some kite bucks - I owe you.
          Great day here today (Panama City Beach, FL.) - over 20 mph sideshore and 4-8 ft waves. Over powered on a 12m and 140 cm but having too much fun to go in and rig down. A great 6-7 hour session!! From tropical Storm Bill in the Gulf of Mexico.
          Thanks again - I really appreciate your advise.
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Kite Power (Sydney)
          To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM
          Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


          Hey Rick get a bigger board. It will hardly cost anything, just get a big old mal surfboard, don't worry about straps on it yet (or ever).
          Quadrifoil have stopped making the xxxl kitesurfers, you may find one s/h? Large Mosquito Pro is a similar machine.
          Problem is they will not give you more power than the kites you already have. If you cannot get going with the Airush, then you will have less poswer with a quadrifoil xxxl.
          The board Hung was using is 2.3M long, and I know people who use board up to 3M long.
          Board size makes a bigger difference at very low wind levels, than style of kite.
          Cya and
          Goodwinds
          Steve McCormack
          http://www.kitepower.com.au

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Rick Howe
          To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:21 PM
          Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


          Hung,
          Thanks for the info!! I've been considering a foil for some time. Here in NW Florida the winds are light most of the time. I've five kites including a 20 AERO and a 19.4 AirRush, but they often will not do the job. I use a Lightwave 181 in light winds. Any hints on where the best deal is on buying? I would really appreciate your help here. Thanks
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Hung Vu
          To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com ; kitesurf@egroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:03 PM
          Subject: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


          Every year around this time, I start to rediscover very light wind
          kitesurfing again.

          Our summer wind is very light around 3 - 10 knots.

          I went out today with a XXXL and FOne 230, cranking in wind under 7-8
          knots and managed to make some jumps too (two other kiters rigged up 20m
          inflatable but did not have a chance to go out).

          I have used several different combinations in the past and the XXXL and
          FOne 230 is an excellent combination for this very light wind.

          The main reason I like the XXXL foil is that it is made of very light
          material (Icarex 38?) and lighter kites work better in very light wind
          (I like to have an XXXXL but don't think they make one).

          The main reason I like the FOne 230 is its ability to get planning ASAP
          and sustain planning AMAP (As Much As Possible).

          I have rigged the XXXL with a foil/sled system with 30m lines. This
          system should allow me to use the XXXL from 5-6 up to 18 knots (higher
          end untested, just theory for now).

          P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing (under 10 knots) should be a part of
          all kitesurfing competitions. Now a day, all bystanders normally treat
          kitesurfing in moderate to strong wind as normal (and probably get tired
          of all the twisted tricks) but are always amazed that some special
          kitesurfers can go very fast and jump in wind less than 10 knots.

          P.P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing is a lot of fun (one of the best part
          is to answer all the questions when you get to the beach).

          P.P.P.S. Jumping and controlling a board as large as the FONE 230 is
          very challenging!

          Hung.

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        • Rick Howe
          Thanks Steve, I forwarded your letter to some newbies I ve been trying to teach and explain things to. One of them thought you were speaking some foreign
          Message 4 of 10 , Jul 5, 2003
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            Thanks Steve,
            I forwarded your letter to some newbies I've been trying to teach and explain things to. One of them thought you were speaking some foreign language. It is probably my bad habits, but I am positive I need more wind with Airush lift 19.4 than the Naish AERO 20.
            We've had good winds here in the Gulf of Mexico with tropical storm Bill in the area so I haven't tried kiting with a surfboard yet. Thanks again for the help.

            Rick
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Kite Power (Sydney)
            To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:24 PM
            Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


            Hi Rick
            No worries, just send the beers to the shop! I would have thought you could milk more power from the Lift than the aero? Always depower high AR kites (shorten front lines by a few inches) in super light winds, this gives you more power because the kite flies faster.
            Yeah just go with the bigger surfboards you have at first, if you don't like them try the smaller slalom boards you may have or can borrow.
            It is essential to actively sheet in and out in light winds in synchronicity with the up and down strokes of the kite. Sheet out when the kite has completed the down stroke and is starting to fly up, and sheet in on the down stroke, it is subtle, but makes a huge difference.
            I often notice some people out on the water with a kite size that others sitting on the beach have, but they can stay upwind and cruise when others can't, the difference is the skill of the kite flyer.
            Cya and
            Goodwinds
            Steve McCormack
            http://www.kitepower.com.au



            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Rick Howe
            To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:14 PM
            Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


            Steve,
            Thank you for your info! I've seen the guys on surfboard in the videos and have read about it. I've a ton of windsurfing boards and some surfboards and will give it a try. I'm sure my 20 Nash Aero is much better in light winds than the 19.4 Airrush - lower aspect ratio. I think you saved me some kite bucks - I owe you.
            Great day here today (Panama City Beach, FL.) - over 20 mph sideshore and 4-8 ft waves. Over powered on a 12m and 140 cm but having too much fun to go in and rig down. A great 6-7 hour session!! From tropical Storm Bill in the Gulf of Mexico.
            Thanks again - I really appreciate your advise.
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Kite Power (Sydney)
            To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM
            Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


            Hey Rick get a bigger board. It will hardly cost anything, just get a big old mal surfboard, don't worry about straps on it yet (or ever).
            Quadrifoil have stopped making the xxxl kitesurfers, you may find one s/h? Large Mosquito Pro is a similar machine.
            Problem is they will not give you more power than the kites you already have. If you cannot get going with the Airush, then you will have less poswer with a quadrifoil xxxl.
            The board Hung was using is 2.3M long, and I know people who use board up to 3M long.
            Board size makes a bigger difference at very low wind levels, than style of kite.
            Cya and
            Goodwinds
            Steve McCormack
            http://www.kitepower.com.au

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Rick Howe
            To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:21 PM
            Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


            Hung,
            Thanks for the info!! I've been considering a foil for some time. Here in NW Florida the winds are light most of the time. I've five kites including a 20 AERO and a 19.4 AirRush, but they often will not do the job. I use a Lightwave 181 in light winds. Any hints on where the best deal is on buying? I would really appreciate your help here. Thanks
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Hung Vu
            To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com ; kitesurf@egroups.com
            Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:03 PM
            Subject: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


            Every year around this time, I start to rediscover very light wind
            kitesurfing again.

            Our summer wind is very light around 3 - 10 knots.

            I went out today with a XXXL and FOne 230, cranking in wind under 7-8
            knots and managed to make some jumps too (two other kiters rigged up 20m
            inflatable but did not have a chance to go out).

            I have used several different combinations in the past and the XXXL and
            FOne 230 is an excellent combination for this very light wind.

            The main reason I like the XXXL foil is that it is made of very light
            material (Icarex 38?) and lighter kites work better in very light wind
            (I like to have an XXXXL but don't think they make one).

            The main reason I like the FOne 230 is its ability to get planning ASAP
            and sustain planning AMAP (As Much As Possible).

            I have rigged the XXXL with a foil/sled system with 30m lines. This
            system should allow me to use the XXXL from 5-6 up to 18 knots (higher
            end untested, just theory for now).

            P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing (under 10 knots) should be a part of
            all kitesurfing competitions. Now a day, all bystanders normally treat
            kitesurfing in moderate to strong wind as normal (and probably get tired
            of all the twisted tricks) but are always amazed that some special
            kitesurfers can go very fast and jump in wind less than 10 knots.

            P.P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing is a lot of fun (one of the best part
            is to answer all the questions when you get to the beach).

            P.P.P.S. Jumping and controlling a board as large as the FONE 230 is
            very challenging!

            Hung.

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          • Kite Power (Sydney)
            Hi Rick Good on you for helping sort out some begginers! I assume you understand what I am saying about actively sheeting? If not fire away, and I will try to
            Message 5 of 10 , Jul 5, 2003
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              Hi Rick
              Good on you for helping sort out some begginers! I assume you understand what I am saying about actively sheeting?
              If not fire away, and I will try to write it out more clearly. It may help to just show the begginers, rather than try to explain it first. Explain it again after they have had a bit more flight time, work with the one who seems to pick it up first.
              Cya and
              Goodwinds
              Steve McCormack
              http://www.kitepower.com.au

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Rick Howe
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:01 AM
              Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Thanks Steve,
              I forwarded your letter to some newbies I've been trying to teach and explain things to. One of them thought you were speaking some foreign language. It is probably my bad habits, but I am positive I need more wind with Airush lift 19.4 than the Naish AERO 20.
              We've had good winds here in the Gulf of Mexico with tropical storm Bill in the area so I haven't tried kiting with a surfboard yet. Thanks again for the help.

              Rick
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Kite Power (Sydney)
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:24 PM
              Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Hi Rick
              No worries, just send the beers to the shop! I would have thought you could milk more power from the Lift than the aero? Always depower high AR kites (shorten front lines by a few inches) in super light winds, this gives you more power because the kite flies faster.
              Yeah just go with the bigger surfboards you have at first, if you don't like them try the smaller slalom boards you may have or can borrow.
              It is essential to actively sheet in and out in light winds in synchronicity with the up and down strokes of the kite. Sheet out when the kite has completed the down stroke and is starting to fly up, and sheet in on the down stroke, it is subtle, but makes a huge difference.
              I often notice some people out on the water with a kite size that others sitting on the beach have, but they can stay upwind and cruise when others can't, the difference is the skill of the kite flyer.
              Cya and
              Goodwinds
              Steve McCormack
              http://www.kitepower.com.au



              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Rick Howe
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:14 PM
              Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Steve,
              Thank you for your info! I've seen the guys on surfboard in the videos and have read about it. I've a ton of windsurfing boards and some surfboards and will give it a try. I'm sure my 20 Nash Aero is much better in light winds than the 19.4 Airrush - lower aspect ratio. I think you saved me some kite bucks - I owe you.
              Great day here today (Panama City Beach, FL.) - over 20 mph sideshore and 4-8 ft waves. Over powered on a 12m and 140 cm but having too much fun to go in and rig down. A great 6-7 hour session!! From tropical Storm Bill in the Gulf of Mexico.
              Thanks again - I really appreciate your advise.
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Kite Power (Sydney)
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM
              Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Hey Rick get a bigger board. It will hardly cost anything, just get a big old mal surfboard, don't worry about straps on it yet (or ever).
              Quadrifoil have stopped making the xxxl kitesurfers, you may find one s/h? Large Mosquito Pro is a similar machine.
              Problem is they will not give you more power than the kites you already have. If you cannot get going with the Airush, then you will have less poswer with a quadrifoil xxxl.
              The board Hung was using is 2.3M long, and I know people who use board up to 3M long.
              Board size makes a bigger difference at very low wind levels, than style of kite.
              Cya and
              Goodwinds
              Steve McCormack
              http://www.kitepower.com.au

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Rick Howe
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:21 PM
              Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Hung,
              Thanks for the info!! I've been considering a foil for some time. Here in NW Florida the winds are light most of the time. I've five kites including a 20 AERO and a 19.4 AirRush, but they often will not do the job. I use a Lightwave 181 in light winds. Any hints on where the best deal is on buying? I would really appreciate your help here. Thanks
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Hung Vu
              To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com ; kitesurf@egroups.com
              Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:03 PM
              Subject: [ksurfschool] Very light wind kitesurfing


              Every year around this time, I start to rediscover very light wind
              kitesurfing again.

              Our summer wind is very light around 3 - 10 knots.

              I went out today with a XXXL and FOne 230, cranking in wind under 7-8
              knots and managed to make some jumps too (two other kiters rigged up 20m
              inflatable but did not have a chance to go out).

              I have used several different combinations in the past and the XXXL and
              FOne 230 is an excellent combination for this very light wind.

              The main reason I like the XXXL foil is that it is made of very light
              material (Icarex 38?) and lighter kites work better in very light wind
              (I like to have an XXXXL but don't think they make one).

              The main reason I like the FOne 230 is its ability to get planning ASAP
              and sustain planning AMAP (As Much As Possible).

              I have rigged the XXXL with a foil/sled system with 30m lines. This
              system should allow me to use the XXXL from 5-6 up to 18 knots (higher
              end untested, just theory for now).

              P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing (under 10 knots) should be a part of
              all kitesurfing competitions. Now a day, all bystanders normally treat
              kitesurfing in moderate to strong wind as normal (and probably get tired
              of all the twisted tricks) but are always amazed that some special
              kitesurfers can go very fast and jump in wind less than 10 knots.

              P.P.S. Very light wind kitesurfing is a lot of fun (one of the best part
              is to answer all the questions when you get to the beach).

              P.P.P.S. Jumping and controlling a board as large as the FONE 230 is
              very challenging!

              Hung.

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