Re: solo landing question for ramfoil type kite ... easy
- David is right on with his 3rd line information and his info
generalizes pretty well to all 3 line foils I am familiar with. For
safety purposes, I test the position of the stopper knot before going
out by dropping the bar and making sure the kite depowers fully and
drops. This safety system is really an advantage of foils and makes
solo launching /landing much safer (In no way do I mean to contradict
the guy who said you should have a way of disconnecting this safety,
be prepared to drown the kite, etc. if all hell breaks loose.)
--- In ksurfschool@y..., "David Stanek" <staff@s...> wrote:
> Just my "5 cents" to this subject. We use with graet sucess 3rd line
> brake/stall system on ram-air JOJO WET and JOJO RAGE - you can let
> the bar and kite will totally depower and land in very controlled
> guaranteed 99% of times when you let go off the bar soon enough ..
> wait too long and let the kite to spin too much ... lines will have
> twists and brake lne will not slide through ..
> What we did is quite simple - our brake line leader goes through
> (attached by velcro strap to the bar) down to our safety leash. On
> leader, above the pulley, we have stop knot limiting leader travel -
> set properly (each kite size requires a bit different brake leader
> range) and you let bat go it will slide up to the stop knot ..
> activated making the kite instantly to depower, stall and go down
> landing. If kite gets into nose-diving or out of control we
> newbie JOJO riders "let go off the bar" ! This system works well on
> kites - bar slides only 20-30" up the leader line (end attached to
> we never had any problems with kite spining out of control or bar
> through lines etc.. no extra lines pulled in causing tangles etc..
> have to do to re-start the kite is to pull on the leash line, reach
> bar, pull on it .. and kite will re-launch again. This works very
> nose-dive situation as well - most of the time, if you let go off
> soon enough, the brakes will stop the kite from diving and hitting
> water, you turn the bar, kite does 180 and here you go again.. For
> launch - just pull on the leash ..
> Anyway - leader with stopper knot guided through pulley on the bar
> through centre hole if you don't use sheeting) is the key to good
> brake action. Trimming is easy - short travel = kite will not fully
> depower/stall... too long travel - it will turn into ball, start
> flapping, tangling...
> Check our re-designed web site (almost completed) for some pics of
> pulley and 4-line bar set-up for foils
> Skyline Wings
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dlent@n... [mailto:dlent@n...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:11 AM
> To: kitesurfschool@y...
> Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: solo landing question for ramfoil type
> Hi all,
> First off Steve, the Shadow and the STW are basically the same
> setup with minor variations as to material, bridle material and the
> tabs that attatch the bridle to the kite. The bar/brake system that
> comes with it is not really very effective for "killing" or totally
> depowering the kite. It works great in light air but in powered up
> overpowered conditions it is USELESS. I've had some bad results
> using it, including the death spin while still attatched by the
> to the kite. Even if you make the supplied leash long enough (the
> LE length) because the lines can wrap around each other if the kite
> tumbles the kite can be locked in the powered up mode EVEN IF
> YOU THROW THE BAR. The best method I've seen for making a
> true "kill switch" is first get a length of spectra or windsurfing
> haul the length of the leading edge. Get yourself a cleat (such as
> off an old windsing boom or downhaul) Attach this to the middle of
> your bar. You can rivet the cleat to any thick or strong strap
> buckle and then tighten it on the bar. Shorten your brake line by
> the amount of the LE length of spectra. Attach this end (the new
> brake end) to the oval ring where the wrist leash used to be
> connected.Tie the spectra to the ring. Run the spectra through the
> cleat. Now comes the part with options
> 1) You can attach the spectra to the old wrist leash and attach the
> leash to your wrist
> 2) Or you could attach the spectra to the hook with a snapshackle
> 3) You could use the old wrist leash to attatch it to your hook or
> 4) Get a Wipika type safety leash system and use that pin and
> velcro steup to attatch it to your hook.
> You want to be able to ditch the rig in case, well in case you have
> to because of the 10,000 things that can happen that you never
> anticipated. In other words you want a strong attachment to the
> safety leash BUT YOU MUST ABLE TO SEPERATE FROM THE
> With this set up when you want to land the kite you pull the
> spectra through the cleat until the kite depowers (i.e., trailing
> is bent towards you) and cleat it off. Then quickly walk up one of
> the flying lines and sand the kite, then roll up your lines. This
> pretty much how the stock setup works minus the cleat. This can
> get hairy in strong winds. If you can't make it up the line a LE
> length you have a half powered kite on your hands. You will learn
> real quickly when it is just better to throw the bar. In fact
> are comfortable I would recommend just putting the kite down at
> the downwind side edge of the window and let the bar go.
> Throw the bar and the kite is dead. Well, resting, I guess. I
> trust a kite until its sanded or in the hands of an assistant.
> in strong winds will flap, roll over. spin, fly up a little, etc.
> just one line. They are kind of like monsters in bad science
> movies. No matter how many you think they are dead, they can
> still pop back to life and bite you.
> It sounds complicated but it works which is more than I can say for
> the supplied setup.
> One other thing to do in an emergency situation is to remember
> you can always drown the kite. I've had to do this when I was hit
> with a 30 knot squall while on my 9,0 Shadow. Just bring the kite
> down leading edge on the water and hold/cleat off the brake line.
> The kite will still pull you downwind (like an upside down
> but hang onto that brake like its the holy grail and eventually it
> fill with enough water so that it will not be able to launch and
> you can swim to it or wind the lines on the bar till you get to it.
> F-One foils are great flying kites, though their ranges are limited
> your edging ability I just wish they would have come up with a
> safety system that worked when you needed it.
> P.S. I know I'm repeating myself but do not throw or let go of the
> stock bar setup thinking it will kill the kite. If the velcro on
> leash does not release you are in for a kitemare.
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