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  • George Sarris
    Thanks Philip. That makes perfect sense. Most of the times my kite crashed was when it was directly overhead while I was getting into the board straps.
    Message 1 of 8 , Apr 4, 2002
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      Thanks Philip. That makes perfect sense. Most of
      the times my kite crashed was when it was directly
      overhead while I was getting into the board straps.

      Thanks Again,
      George
      --- Philip <phil@...> wrote:
      > George,
      >
      > I am jumping in on this so excuse me if this has
      > been covered.
      > If you are riding in light or gusty winds it
      > certainly can cause the
      > kite to drop out of the sky.
      > One way to help avoid this is not flying the kite
      > directly over head
      > while you are getting ready to ride.
      > If you fly the kite off to one side of the window
      > the kite will be less
      > "nose heavy" and is less likely to roll forward and
      > drop out of the sky.
      > It doesn't take a big angle in the kites orientation
      > to stop it from
      > dropping. just letting gravity hold one side of the
      > kite for you!
      >
      > Let me know if you have more questions on this or
      > any other topic.
      >
      > Good luck.
      >
      > Philip
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
      > http://www.inlandsea.com
      > Kitesite.net
      > http://www.kitesite.net
      > toll free 888-465-2632
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: George Sarris
      > [mailto:jakefarley2000@...]
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:28 PM
      > To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Re: Swim-in or not?
      >
      >
      > Thanks guys. The fluctuating/light winds and my
      > inexperience are probably what are causing my
      > "Hindenburg" problems. I need more time out on the
      > water in more consistent winds.
      >
      > George
      > --- callum_downie <callum_downie@...> wrote:
      > > Kites like the wipi airblast, Airush Lift, Fone
      > > Mach1 all like to fly
      > > on the front lines, people will say they stall to
      > > more in lighter
      > > winds because they have too much backline tension
      > on
      > > them - which
      > > does these kites no good! The best way to get
      > power
      > > from kites like
      > > this is to let them fly fast off the front lines -
      > > thats how they
      > > produce their power in light winds, not from being
      > > over sheeted.
      > >
      > > With any of the new LEI's if there is a problem
      > with
      > > stalling it's
      > > due to either incorrect setup - uneven lines or
      > > something. Or it is
      > > pilot error.
      > > Hope this helps...
      > > Callum
      > >
      > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., George Sarris
      > > <jakefarley2000@y...> wrote:
      > > > Regarding this subject I have heard that Wipikas
      > > stall
      > > > more than any other kite when the wind subsides.
      > > Has
      > > > anyone heard this or have verified this through
      > > any
      > > > testing results?
      > > >
      > > > Jake
      > > > --- Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
      > > > > People frequently ask me how many times I had
      > to
      > > > > swim in with my kites
      > > > > (due to not being able to relaunch them).
      > Here
      > > are
      > > > > some "approximated"
      > > > > statistics:
      > > > >
      > > > > Wipika Classic 3.5: None
      > > > > Wipika Classic 5.0: 1 or 2 times (wind
      > dropped,
      > > > > bridle tangled and
      > > > > being inexperienced)
      > > > > Wipika Classic 8.5: 1 or 2 times (wind
      > dropped,
      > > > > bridle tangled and
      > > > > being inexperienced)
      > > > > All of my opened cell foils (EX's 6.0, XXXL
      > and
      > > EX's
      > > > > 12.5): 50% each
      > > > > time I crashed the kite (less with handles and
      > > more
      > > > > with bars)
      > > > > New Wave 4.9 (a closed cell foil): None
      > > > > AR5 5.5: None
      > > > > AR5 11.5: Twice. The first time was in very
      > > cold
      > > > > water when I could not
      > > > > swim fast enough to flip the kite over. The
      > > second
      > > > > time was when I had
      > > > > 2 center leader lines instead of 1.
      > > > >
      > > > > Some other kites that I used either briefly or
      > > for 1
      > > > > or 2 days:
      > > > >
      > > > > ARC 630: Once (we were trying to figure out
      > how
      > > to
      > > > > relaunch the Arc; we
      > > > > waited too long and the water got in the kite)
      > > > > Jojo Rage 4.0, 6.0 (closed cell foils): None
      > > > > C-Quads: Almost 100% of each time I crashed
      > the
      > > kite
      > > > >
      > > > > For all practical purposes, except for the
      > > C-Quads
      > > > > and the opened cell
      > > > > foils, all other kites should be fine for
      > > > > kitesurfing when it comes to
      > > > > water relaunching (a few swims in hot weather
      > > are
      > > > > great - just watch out
      > > > > for very cold water)...
      > > > >
      > > > > P.S., The higher numbers for Wipika Classics
      > 5.0
      > > and
      > > > > 8.5 are probably
      > > > > due mainly to my inexperience in the early
      > days (therefore going
      > > > > out in lighter winds and taking too long to
      > relaunch
      > > > > causing the bridle to
      > > > > tangle)
      > > > >
      > > > > P.P.S., The lower numbers for closed cell
      > foils
      > > are
      > > > > probably due to the
      > > > > fact that I don't use them as frequent as
      > > > > inflatables for kitesurfing.
      > > > >
      > > > > Hung.
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
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    • Philip
      No problemo Have Fun. Philip Mann Inland Sea Windsurf Co. http://www.inlandsea.com Kitesite.net http://www.kitesite.net toll free 888-465-2632 ... From: George
      Message 2 of 8 , Apr 4, 2002
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        No problemo

        Have Fun.

        Philip Mann
        Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
        http://www.inlandsea.com
        Kitesite.net
        http://www.kitesite.net
        toll free 888-465-2632



        -----Original Message-----
        From: George Sarris [mailto:jakefarley2000@...]
        Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:04 AM
        To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Re: Swim-in or not?


        Thanks Philip. That makes perfect sense. Most of
        the times my kite crashed was when it was directly
        overhead while I was getting into the board straps.

        Thanks Again,
        George
        --- Philip <phil@...> wrote:
        > George,
        >
        > I am jumping in on this so excuse me if this has
        > been covered.
        > If you are riding in light or gusty winds it
        > certainly can cause the
        > kite to drop out of the sky.
        > One way to help avoid this is not flying the kite
        > directly over head
        > while you are getting ready to ride.
        > If you fly the kite off to one side of the window
        > the kite will be less
        > "nose heavy" and is less likely to roll forward and
        > drop out of the sky.
        > It doesn't take a big angle in the kites orientation
        > to stop it from
        > dropping. just letting gravity hold one side of the
        > kite for you!
        >
        > Let me know if you have more questions on this or
        > any other topic.
        >
        > Good luck.
        >
        > Philip
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
        > http://www.inlandsea.com
        > Kitesite.net
        > http://www.kitesite.net
        > toll free 888-465-2632
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: George Sarris
        > [mailto:jakefarley2000@...]
        > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:28 PM
        > To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Re: Swim-in or not?
        >
        >
        > Thanks guys. The fluctuating/light winds and my
        > inexperience are probably what are causing my
        > "Hindenburg" problems. I need more time out on the
        > water in more consistent winds.
        >
        > George
        > --- callum_downie <callum_downie@...> wrote:
        > > Kites like the wipi airblast, Airush Lift, Fone
        > > Mach1 all like to fly
        > > on the front lines, people will say they stall to
        > > more in lighter
        > > winds because they have too much backline tension
        > on
        > > them - which
        > > does these kites no good! The best way to get
        > power
        > > from kites like
        > > this is to let them fly fast off the front lines -
        > > thats how they
        > > produce their power in light winds, not from being
        > > over sheeted.
        > >
        > > With any of the new LEI's if there is a problem
        > with
        > > stalling it's
        > > due to either incorrect setup - uneven lines or
        > > something. Or it is
        > > pilot error.
        > > Hope this helps...
        > > Callum
        > >
        > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., George Sarris <jakefarley2000@y...> wrote:
        > > > Regarding this subject I have heard that Wipikas
        > > stall
        > > > more than any other kite when the wind subsides.
        > > Has
        > > > anyone heard this or have verified this through
        > > any
        > > > testing results?
        > > >
        > > > Jake
        > > > --- Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
        > > > > People frequently ask me how many times I had
        > to
        > > > > swim in with my kites
        > > > > (due to not being able to relaunch them).
        > Here
        > > are
        > > > > some "approximated"
        > > > > statistics:
        > > > >
        > > > > Wipika Classic 3.5: None
        > > > > Wipika Classic 5.0: 1 or 2 times (wind
        > dropped,
        > > > > bridle tangled and
        > > > > being inexperienced)
        > > > > Wipika Classic 8.5: 1 or 2 times (wind
        > dropped,
        > > > > bridle tangled and
        > > > > being inexperienced)
        > > > > All of my opened cell foils (EX's 6.0, XXXL
        > and
        > > EX's
        > > > > 12.5): 50% each
        > > > > time I crashed the kite (less with handles and
        > > more
        > > > > with bars)
        > > > > New Wave 4.9 (a closed cell foil): None
        > > > > AR5 5.5: None
        > > > > AR5 11.5: Twice. The first time was in very
        > > cold
        > > > > water when I could not
        > > > > swim fast enough to flip the kite over. The
        > > second
        > > > > time was when I had
        > > > > 2 center leader lines instead of 1.
        > > > >
        > > > > Some other kites that I used either briefly or
        > > for 1
        > > > > or 2 days:
        > > > >
        > > > > ARC 630: Once (we were trying to figure out
        > how
        > > to
        > > > > relaunch the Arc; we
        > > > > waited too long and the water got in the kite)
        > > > > Jojo Rage 4.0, 6.0 (closed cell foils): None
        > > > > C-Quads: Almost 100% of each time I crashed
        > the
        > > kite
        > > > >
        > > > > For all practical purposes, except for the
        > > C-Quads
        > > > > and the opened cell
        > > > > foils, all other kites should be fine for
        > > > > kitesurfing when it comes to
        > > > > water relaunching (a few swims in hot weather
        > > are
        > > > > great - just watch out
        > > > > for very cold water)...
        > > > >
        > > > > P.S., The higher numbers for Wipika Classics
        > 5.0
        > > and
        > > > > 8.5 are probably
        > > > > due mainly to my inexperience in the early
        > days (therefore going
        > > > > out in lighter winds and taking too long to
        > relaunch
        > > > > causing the bridle to
        > > > > tangle)
        > > > >
        > > > > P.P.S., The lower numbers for closed cell
        > foils
        > > are
        > > > > probably due to the
        > > > > fact that I don't use them as frequent as
        > > > > inflatables for kitesurfing.
        > > > >
        > > > > Hung.
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > __________________________________________________
        > > > Do You Yahoo!?
        > > > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for
        > > Easter, Passover
        > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com/
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > __________________________________________________
        > Do You Yahoo!?
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        >
        >
        >
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