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Snow power requirement Re: [ksurfschool] Re: Wipika Snow Foil Report Part 2

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  • fernmanus
    Hung, I generally agree with your observations. ... probably ... in ... mode ... You weigh 50 LBS less than me, so I don t expect that you would put up the
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 5, 2002
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      Hung,

      I generally agree with your observations.

      >P.S., Putting up a 7.0 m foil in 20 knots or roughly 25 mph is
      probably
      > too much for me; however, I had used the EX's 6.0 kitesnowboarding
      in
      > almost 1' of snow in 15 knots gusting to 25 knots in its depowered
      mode
      > (similar power as a 5 m foil).

      You weigh 50 LBS less than me, so I don't expect that you would put
      up the same size kite.

      Kenny

      --- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
      > There seems to be some different opinions on the power needed for
      > kiteskiing/kitesnowboarding. These are my observations:
      > - For ice or almost ice the power needed is roughly 1/2 of
      kitesurfing
      > - For normal hard pack with some snow around 2/3 of
      kitesurfing
      > - For 6-8" of snow around 3/4 of kitesurfing
      > - For 1-2' of snow around 1/1 of kitesurfing
      > - Kitesnowboarding can handle more wind than kiteskiing
      (especially in
      > more than 6" of snow). There are times when I think I had more power
      > than kitesurfing. Why? Because in kitesnowboarding, you can fly
      the
      > kite very high and still go upwind (great for jumping).
      >
      > P.S., Putting up a 7.0 m foil in 20 knots or roughly 25 mph is
      probably
      > too much for me; however, I had used the EX's 6.0 kitesnowboarding
      in
      > almost 1' of snow in 15 knots gusting to 25 knots in its depowered
      mode
      > (similar power as a 5 m foil).
      >
      > Hung.
      >
      > fernmanus wrote:
      > >
      > > Pauric,
      > >
      > > 25 knots is equivalent to 30 mph winds. 35 knots equal 40 mph. I
      > > wouldn't throw up a 7M foil in 30 - 40 mph winds either.
      However, in
      > > 20 - 25 mph winds, I would fly a 7M foil in a foot of powder. If
      the
      > > wind is always that strong where you live, use a smaller kite. A
      2M
      > > foil would not generate much power in 20 mph winds. Maybe enough
      to
      > > pull you across solid ice, but not through a powder field.
      > >
      > > Kenny
      > >
      > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., "Pauric" <paurico@p...> wrote:
      > > > I'm sorry, something sounds seriously wrong about a 7m foil up
      in
      > > 25kn winds - on land. That simply should be able to happen.
      There
      > > were strong winds here this weekend, 25kn ish gusting to 35 and
      there
      > > was no way I was putting my 3m foil up (and a very inefficient
      one at
      > > that).
      > > >
      > > > It begining to sound like this wipisnowfoil is a bit of a lame
      > > horse, any comments Matt?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > To: ksurfschool@y...
      > > > cc:
      > > > Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Wipika Snow Foil Report Part 2
      > > >
      > > > i am not trying to tell beginners to ride this kite in
      > > > 25. the day that i rode it in 25 there was 1 to 2
      > > > feet of powder, and i know how to ride litt. as far a
      > > > s the projected area, i have no idea. it doesn't
      > > > really matter either. if you are a beginner or you
      > > > are riding on hard snow then you can ride this kite in
      > > > around 10. if you are an advanced rider, and you are
      > > > riding in deep snow you can ride this kite into the
      > > > 20s
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- David Stanek <staff@s...> wrote:
      > > > > just a note - what projected area is this 7.0
      > > > > Wipifoil?? If you can use this
      > > > > kite in 25 mph on snow the power output can't be so
      > > > > great - in this wind
      > > > > all I need is 2.0 m2 foil ??
      > > > > david
      > > > >
      > > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > > From:
      > > > >
      > > > sentto-1363319-2520-1011425303-staff=skylinewings.com@r...
      > > > > oo.com
      > > > >
      > > > [mailto:sentto-1363319-2520-1011425303-
      staff=skylinewings.com@r...
      > > > > oups.yahoo.com]On Behalf Of matt nuzzo
      > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:28 PM
      > > > > To: kitesnowboarding@y...;
      > > > > kiteskiing@y...;
      > > > > kitesurf@e...; ksurfschool@y...
      > > > > Subject: [ksurfschool] Wipika Snow Foil Report Part
      > > > > 2
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > I took the 7 Wipika snow foil out again today at the
      > > > > frisco high school. it was ranging from 10 to 25,
      > > > > and
      > > > > it ended a solid 25. oh yeah, there was a foot two 2
      > > > > feet of powder. the kite is pretty easy to set up
      > > > > for
      > > > > some one that has used a foil. It is not moron
      > > > > proof
      > > > > like the flexis or b kites, but it is pretty easy.
      > > > > the bridal is straight forward, and the bar has a 3
      > > > > line setup with a chicken loop. The depowering
      > > > > system
      > > > > works well if you want it, and you can attach a
      > > > > leash
      > > > > to the third line if you want to. i had it on this
      > > > > huge donkey bar so it turned plenty fast, and
      > > > > because
      > > > > it is closed cell it relaunches easily. as far as
      > > > > stability, it is the most stable foil that i have
      > > > > used
      > > > > yet. i tried to collapse it when a gust hit it at
      > > > > 12o'clock, and i couldn't. it was a good sign. i
      > > > > would yank down as hard as i could when a gust hit
      > > > > it,
      > > > > and it would just flair out and drift back into the
      > > > > window when the lines went slack. the pull is a
      > > > > very
      > > > > solid pull. it is not twitchy and all over the
      > > > > place.
      > > > > i rode the b8 to compair it to something. they
      > > > > have
      > > > > about the same amount of power, but the b8 feels a
      > > > > little more twitchy. the b8 is a faster turning
      > > > > kite.
      > > > > they both jumped about the same. generally
      > > > > speaking
      > > > > the wipi had a much more positive and solid feel,
      > > > > and
      > > > > you could depower it. i will let you know what else
      > > > > i
      > > > > come up with. -- matt nuzzo
      > > > >
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