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  • Gary Sowell
    Aloha Doug.... I m 210 pounds and like you, I love the light winds... I have a naish 23.5m ARX and I have a Wipi 16monster... The naish will get you up in the
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 1, 2002
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      Aloha Doug....
      I'm 210 pounds and like you, I love the light winds...
      I have a naish 23.5m ARX and I have a Wipi 16monster...
      The naish will get you up in the wind range you are looking at...
      The board I use in winds like this is the lite wave dave 169....
      Foils are a bit scary to fly when they are that big... I had the Mosquito 9+
      and after having some mishaps with that kite, I will never fly a foil again
      (other than the arc)....

      Hope this helps...

      Gary
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Doug Kitchen" <doug@...>
      To: <ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502


      > Hi Everyone,
      > I started kitesurfing because I was tired of sitting on the beach
      waiting
      > for wind for my windsurfer. I fugure I can ride my 8'8 90 litre wave
      board
      > in 12 knots with a 5.6 wave sail. I started with a Wipika 11.0 meter Free
      > Air. I realize now that I need at least 15 knots for this kite. I bought
      a
      > RRD 14.9, the sad truth is I need 12 knots with this kite. I weigh 190 lbs
      > and am riding a 6.6 directional. I understand that foils are better than
      > frame kites in light wind. Can anyone recommend me a foil that will get me
      > powered up in 5-10 knots.Does anyone know if the Peter Lynn 14.0
      > m ARC ever got released and what kind of performance I can expect out of
      > it.Am I expecting too much? I started kitesurfing because I heard about
      the
      > light wind possibilities,but now I wonder but Iam hooked now so there is
      no
      > turning back.
      > Thanks,
      > Doug
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com>
      > To: <ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 2:59 PM
      > Subject: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502
      >
      >
      > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
      > >
      > > Topics in this digest:
      > >
      > > 1. Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
      > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@...>
      > > 2. Re: New Year 2002 predictions
      > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...>
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > >
      > > Message: 1
      > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:48:34 -0000
      > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@...>
      > > Subject: Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
      > >
      > > Hung,
      > >
      > > Good observations. I wish to add a couple more thoughts.
      > >
      > > Where I live the wind is generally light (Salt Lake City, UT).
      > > Therefore, I use high AR kites. The primary reason is for jumping.
      > > I have found the large high AR kites to be more responsive. When you
      > > jump, the faster you can move the kite overhead, the more pop you
      > > will have off the water. I found it very difficult to jump with slow
      > > moving large kites.
      > >
      > > I have kite surfed in high wind conditions as well. In high wind
      > > conditions a low AR is nice because the kite is more stable and will
      > > feel less twitchy.
      > >
      > > Kenny
      > >
      > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
      > > > Many people worldwide have asked me these questions and I have
      > > answered
      > > > many. I thought it would be useful to post them here:
      > > >
      > > > Use a low AR kite in high wind (above 20 knots)
      > > >
      > > > Use a high AR kite in low wind (below 10 knots)
      > > >
      > > > Between 10 - 20 knots use anything you have...
      > > >
      > > > So if you live in Maui or other high wind destinations (where most
      > > pros
      > > > are), don't need to buy a high AR kite.
      > > >
      > > > If you live in Ottawa, Canada, buy both high AR and low AR kite as
      > > the
      > > > wind can be anywhere between 5 - 45 knots.
      > > >
      > > > P.S. the assumption is that high AR kites are faster, it may not be
      > > true
      > > > for some kites...
      > > >
      > > > P.P.S. If you kiteski or want to go fast, high AR is the only
      > > answer...
      > > >
      > > > P.P.P.S. What the pros want may not be what YOU want...
      > > >
      > > > Hung.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > >
      > > Message: 2
      > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:34:40 -0500
      > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...>
      > > Subject: Re: New Year 2002 predictions
      > >
      > > Chris,
      > >
      > > Very interesting! Let me add some more:
      > >
      > > -- Fins will start to disappear as kitesurfers start to realize that
      > > fins are more costly, cumbersome than helpful
      > >
      > > -- With the new finless, properly shaped boards, kitesurfers start to go
      > > as fast as windsurfers
      > >
      > > -- Foils will become more popular (than they are now) as they are faster
      > > and jump higher
      > >
      > > -- People will realize that by inflating the leading edge with helium
      > > will make inflatables less prone to the "dead seagull drop" (hahaha
      > > someone has asked for it...)
      > >
      > > -- Properly shaped finless board will generate higher lift allow boards
      > > to be smaller (120 x 30 cm range) and still ride in lower wind
      > >
      > > -- Handles will become more popular (than they are now) in lighter wind
      > > as they are the best to manipulate foils in such extreme conditions
      > >
      > > -- Kites will be designed/marketed clearly in three different groups:
      > > light wind, medium wind and high wind kites where low AR inflatable
      > > dominate the high wind group, foils dominate the light wind group and
      > > fierce competition for the medium group for many manufacturers
      > >
      > > Hung.
      > >
      > >
      > > Ok, here's my predictions for kitesurfing next year,
      > > 2002..
      > >
      > > -- Next years kites will all have more more wind range
      > > ..because
      > > that's what we all want.
      > >
      > > -- The end of picklefork boards. New board shapes will
      > > have
      > > more blunt tails.
      > >
      > > -- Footstraps will continue to be popular and will NOT
      > > all be
      > > replaced by full bindings.
      > >
      > > -- On new 4 line inflatables, rigid carbon battens at
      > > the tips will
      > > be common.
      > >
      > > -- Better safety release/leash systems will be marketed
      > > (they can't
      > > be worse than what is available now).
      > >
      > > -- All kite manufacturers will agree on a size standard
      > > (ha
      > > ha ..just kidding with this one).
      > >
      > > -- Someone will post a "new" idea to fill an inflatable
      > > with helium
      > > (ughh ..not again).
      > >
      > > -- Some products will fade into obscurity like reel
      > > bars, high
      > > volume boards, and using handles.
      > >
      > > -- Kite and board prices will drop somewhat due to
      > > competition
      > > (..not sure about this one).
      > >
      > > -- Kiting will become more mainstream and acceptable and
      > > will NOT be
      > > banned at many more beaches.
      > >
      > > -- The number of kite manufacturers will stop growing as
      > > newcomers
      > > find it hard to compete against the Naish, Wipika,
      > > Cabrinha,
      > > Slingshot, Peter Lynn, Airrush, North.
      > >
      > > -- Foil kites will do well in the very large sizes (over
      > > 15.5AR5).
      > >
      > > -- Kites will come with long lines (>30m) for big kite
      > > sizes and
      > > shorter lines (<25m) for small kite sizes.
      > >
      > > -- Serious accidents will happen where helmet use could
      > > have helped!
      > >
      > > -- Someone will break the hang time record with over 10
      > > seconds.
      > >
      > >
      > > Chris G
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > > ________________________________________________________________________
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
      http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      >
      >
    • callum_downie
      Hey Doug, I am in the same boat as you in a way. I started kiting because of the lightwind possibilitys as well, i moved to lighter wind area and I am a big
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 1, 2002
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        Hey Doug,

        I am in the same boat as you in a way. I started kiting because of
        the lightwind possibilitys as well, i moved to lighter wind area and
        I am a big guy 100kg - 220 pounds I think that works out to be.
        The good thing about kites is that as soon as you have enough power
        can hold you possition you have enough power to get some serious air.
        Sadly like windsurfing to kite in less then 10 knots requires some
        pretty specialist gear... and then it isn't that much fun, it's more
        of just a cruise.

        From what I have heard the 14 arc won't have enough mumbo for what
        youy want. Could try a flexi foil 9.0 blade II. You probably want to
        use that beast on handles.

        Or by the time you have spent that much on gear you may as well buy a
        power boat and go wakeboarding....

        Later,
        Callum.

        Ps. we are doomed for wind here now, just swapped my rrd 11.9 type IV
        monster for a new airush, bound to get no breeze now... at least this
        might help them get the bush fires under control.

        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Doug Kitchen" <doug@c...>
        > To: <ksurfschool@y...>
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:28 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502
        >
        >
        > > Hi Everyone,
        > > I started kitesurfing because I was tired of sitting on the
        beach
        > waiting
        > > for wind for my windsurfer. I fugure I can ride my 8'8 90 litre
        wave
        > board
        > > in 12 knots with a 5.6 wave sail. I started with a Wipika 11.0
        meter Free
        > > Air. I realize now that I need at least 15 knots for this kite.
        I bought
        > a
        > > RRD 14.9, the sad truth is I need 12 knots with this kite. I
        weigh 190 lbs
        > > and am riding a 6.6 directional. I understand that foils are
        better than
        > > frame kites in light wind. Can anyone recommend me a foil that
        will get me
        > > powered up in 5-10 knots.Does anyone know if the Peter Lynn 14.0
        > > m ARC ever got released and what kind of performance I can
        expect out of
        > > it.Am I expecting too much? I started kitesurfing because I heard
        about
        > the
        > > light wind possibilities,but now I wonder but Iam hooked now so
        there is
        > no
        > > turning back.
        > > Thanks,
        > > Doug
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: <ksurfschool@y...>
        > > To: <ksurfschool@y...>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 2:59 PM
        > > Subject: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502
        > >
        > >
        > > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
        > > >
        > > > Topics in this digest:
        > > >
        > > > 1. Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
        > > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@y...>
        > > > 2. Re: New Year 2002 predictions
        > > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@n...>
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        > > > Message: 1
        > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:48:34 -0000
        > > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@y...>
        > > > Subject: Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
        > > >
        > > > Hung,
        > > >
        > > > Good observations. I wish to add a couple more thoughts.
        > > >
        > > > Where I live the wind is generally light (Salt Lake City, UT).
        > > > Therefore, I use high AR kites. The primary reason is for
        jumping.
        > > > I have found the large high AR kites to be more responsive.
        When you
        > > > jump, the faster you can move the kite overhead, the more pop
        you
        > > > will have off the water. I found it very difficult to jump
        with slow
        > > > moving large kites.
        > > >
        > > > I have kite surfed in high wind conditions as well. In high
        wind
        > > > conditions a low AR is nice because the kite is more stable and
        will
        > > > feel less twitchy.
        > > >
        > > > Kenny
        > > >
        > > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
        > > > > Many people worldwide have asked me these questions and I have
        > > > answered
        > > > > many. I thought it would be useful to post them here:
        > > > >
        > > > > Use a low AR kite in high wind (above 20 knots)
        > > > >
        > > > > Use a high AR kite in low wind (below 10 knots)
        > > > >
        > > > > Between 10 - 20 knots use anything you have...
        > > > >
        > > > > So if you live in Maui or other high wind destinations (where
        most
        > > > pros
        > > > > are), don't need to buy a high AR kite.
        > > > >
        > > > > If you live in Ottawa, Canada, buy both high AR and low AR
        kite as
        > > > the
        > > > > wind can be anywhere between 5 - 45 knots.
        > > > >
        > > > > P.S. the assumption is that high AR kites are faster, it may
        not be
        > > > true
        > > > > for some kites...
        > > > >
        > > > > P.P.S. If you kiteski or want to go fast, high AR is the only
        > > > answer...
        > > > >
        > > > > P.P.P.S. What the pros want may not be what YOU want...
        > > > >
        > > > > Hung.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        > > > Message: 2
        > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:34:40 -0500
        > > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@n...>
        > > > Subject: Re: New Year 2002 predictions
        > > >
        > > > Chris,
        > > >
        > > > Very interesting! Let me add some more:
        > > >
        > > > -- Fins will start to disappear as kitesurfers start to realize
        that
        > > > fins are more costly, cumbersome than helpful
        > > >
        > > > -- With the new finless, properly shaped boards, kitesurfers
        start to go
        > > > as fast as windsurfers
        > > >
        > > > -- Foils will become more popular (than they are now) as they
        are faster
        > > > and jump higher
        > > >
        > > > -- People will realize that by inflating the leading edge with
        helium
        > > > will make inflatables less prone to the "dead seagull drop"
        (hahaha
        > > > someone has asked for it...)
        > > >
        > > > -- Properly shaped finless board will generate higher lift
        allow boards
        > > > to be smaller (120 x 30 cm range) and still ride in lower wind
        > > >
        > > > -- Handles will become more popular (than they are now) in
        lighter wind
        > > > as they are the best to manipulate foils in such extreme
        conditions
        > > >
        > > > -- Kites will be designed/marketed clearly in three different
        groups:
        > > > light wind, medium wind and high wind kites where low AR
        inflatable
        > > > dominate the high wind group, foils dominate the light wind
        group and
        > > > fierce competition for the medium group for many manufacturers
        > > >
        > > > Hung.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Ok, here's my predictions for kitesurfing next
        year,
        > > > 2002..
        > > >
        > > > -- Next years kites will all have more more
        wind range
        > > > ..because
        > > > that's what we all want.
        > > >
        > > > -- The end of picklefork boards. New board
        shapes will
        > > > have
        > > > more blunt tails.
        > > >
        > > > -- Footstraps will continue to be popular and
        will NOT
        > > > all be
        > > > replaced by full bindings.
        > > >
        > > > -- On new 4 line inflatables, rigid carbon
        battens at
        > > > the tips will
        > > > be common.
        > > >
        > > > -- Better safety release/leash systems will be
        marketed
        > > > (they can't
        > > > be worse than what is available now).
        > > >
        > > > -- All kite manufacturers will agree on a size
        standard
        > > > (ha
        > > > ha ..just kidding with this one).
        > > >
        > > > -- Someone will post a "new" idea to fill an
        inflatable
        > > > with helium
        > > > (ughh ..not again).
        > > >
        > > > -- Some products will fade into obscurity like
        reel
        > > > bars, high
        > > > volume boards, and using handles.
        > > >
        > > > -- Kite and board prices will drop somewhat due
        to
        > > > competition
        > > > (..not sure about this one).
        > > >
        > > > -- Kiting will become more mainstream and
        acceptable and
        > > > will NOT be
        > > > banned at many more beaches.
        > > >
        > > > -- The number of kite manufacturers will stop
        growing as
        > > > newcomers
        > > > find it hard to compete against the Naish,
        Wipika,
        > > > Cabrinha,
        > > > Slingshot, Peter Lynn, Airrush, North.
        > > >
        > > > -- Foil kites will do well in the very large
        sizes (over
        > > > 15.5AR5).
        > > >
        > > > -- Kites will come with long lines (>30m) for
        big kite
        > > > sizes and
        > > > shorter lines (<25m) for small kite sizes.
        > > >
        > > > -- Serious accidents will happen where helmet
        use could
        > > > have helped!
        > > >
        > > > -- Someone will break the hang time record with
        over 10
        > > > seconds.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Chris G
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        ______________________________________________________________________
        __
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
        > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
        http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        > >
        > >
      • Hung Vu
        ... Having responded to many enquiries world wide, I find that the most common problem for many kitesurfers trying to get into light wind kiting is using a
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 2, 2002
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          Doug Kitchen wrote:
          > Air. I realize now that I need at least 15 knots for this kite. I bought a
          > RRD 14.9, the sad truth is I need 12 knots with this kite. I weigh 190 lbs
          > and am riding a 6.6 directional. I understand that foils are better than
          > frame kites in light wind. Can anyone recommend me a foil that will get me
          > powered up in 5-10 knots.Does anyone know if the Peter Lynn 14.0
          > m ARC ever got released and what kind of performance I can expect out of
          > it.Am I expecting too much? I started kitesurfing because I heard about the
          > light wind possibilities,but now I wonder but Iam hooked now so there is no
          > turning back.

          Having responded to many enquiries world wide, I find that the most
          common problem for many kitesurfers trying to get into light wind kiting
          is using a kite too small.

          Kite size and rider weight is proportional so as the heavier kitesurfer,
          just get the biggest kite you can get your hand on.

          For foil, Flysurfer and ConceptAir currently make 16 m2 foil
          (unfortunately the current largest foils)

          For inflatables, the largest are Air Blast 16.4 or Naish 23 (roughtly
          equivalent to a 14 m2 foil)

          The Arc 14.0 is probably equivalent to a 10-11 m2 foil.

          P.S., If you cannot get a kite big enough, it helps to use a "larger"
          board (Stefano at 170 lbs use a 255 cm board for light wind - I at 125
          lbs use the 230 cm F-One board for light wind)

          P.P.S., In 5-10 knots, I normally use a 10 - 12 m2 foil (10 m2 foil for
          the 230 board and 12 m2 foil for a 5'9" board) so you at 190 lbs would
          need a 15 - 18 m2 foil ...

          Hung.
        • fernmanus
          Doug, I also love light wind. I have a Wipika 16.4 AB and a Flysurfer 16M Mast Air. I used to have a 21.5 ARX, but I hated it because it was so slow. I
          Message 4 of 5 , Jan 2, 2002
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            Doug,

            I also love light wind. I have a Wipika 16.4 AB and a Flysurfer 16M
            Mast Air. I used to have a 21.5 ARX, but I hated it because it was
            so slow. I understand the Power booster bridle solves this problem.

            First of all, don't be afraid of the big kites. I love my 16.4 AB.
            I sometimes ride it in 15 mph winds with my small board just because
            I can jump so high and so far with that monster. It is also an
            amazing feeling to be riding on near flat water. You need a big kite
            to do that.

            I use the 181 Lightwave and the 16.4 in really light winds. I can
            ride in 8 mph winds with that configuration and start jumping around
            12 mph (I weight 175 LBS).

            I haven't tried the Flysurfer on the water yet. I have only tried it
            once on snow. I was able to go upwind on my snowboard in 7 mph
            winds. It is definitely worth looking at because it has an excellent
            depower system. However, it is not cheap. If I were going to
            recommend a kite to buy today. Buy a 16.4 Airblast. You can get one
            for less than $700 because everyone is blowing out last year's
            kites. Check out www.iwindsurf.com

            I hope that helps.

            Kenny


            --- In ksurfschool@y..., "Gary Sowell" <garys@m...> wrote:
            > Aloha Doug....
            > I'm 210 pounds and like you, I love the light winds...
            > I have a naish 23.5m ARX and I have a Wipi 16monster...
            > The naish will get you up in the wind range you are looking at...
            > The board I use in winds like this is the lite wave dave 169....
            > Foils are a bit scary to fly when they are that big... I had the
            Mosquito 9+
            > and after having some mishaps with that kite, I will never fly a
            foil again
            > (other than the arc)....
            >
            > Hope this helps...
            >
            > Gary
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Doug Kitchen" <doug@c...>
            > To: <ksurfschool@y...>
            > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:28 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502
            >
            >
            > > Hi Everyone,
            > > I started kitesurfing because I was tired of sitting on the
            beach
            > waiting
            > > for wind for my windsurfer. I fugure I can ride my 8'8 90 litre
            wave
            > board
            > > in 12 knots with a 5.6 wave sail. I started with a Wipika 11.0
            meter Free
            > > Air. I realize now that I need at least 15 knots for this kite.
            I bought
            > a
            > > RRD 14.9, the sad truth is I need 12 knots with this kite. I
            weigh 190 lbs
            > > and am riding a 6.6 directional. I understand that foils are
            better than
            > > frame kites in light wind. Can anyone recommend me a foil that
            will get me
            > > powered up in 5-10 knots.Does anyone know if the Peter Lynn 14.0
            > > m ARC ever got released and what kind of performance I can
            expect out of
            > > it.Am I expecting too much? I started kitesurfing because I heard
            about
            > the
            > > light wind possibilities,but now I wonder but Iam hooked now so
            there is
            > no
            > > turning back.
            > > Thanks,
            > > Doug
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: <ksurfschool@y...>
            > > To: <ksurfschool@y...>
            > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 2:59 PM
            > > Subject: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 502
            > >
            > >
            > > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
            > > >
            > > > Topics in this digest:
            > > >
            > > > 1. Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
            > > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@y...>
            > > > 2. Re: New Year 2002 predictions
            > > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@n...>
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __
            > > >
            ______________________________________________________________________
            __
            > > >
            > > > Message: 1
            > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:48:34 -0000
            > > > From: "fernmanus" <fernmanus@y...>
            > > > Subject: Re: Low AR .vs. high AR
            > > >
            > > > Hung,
            > > >
            > > > Good observations. I wish to add a couple more thoughts.
            > > >
            > > > Where I live the wind is generally light (Salt Lake City, UT).
            > > > Therefore, I use high AR kites. The primary reason is for
            jumping.
            > > > I have found the large high AR kites to be more responsive.
            When you
            > > > jump, the faster you can move the kite overhead, the more pop
            you
            > > > will have off the water. I found it very difficult to jump
            with slow
            > > > moving large kites.
            > > >
            > > > I have kite surfed in high wind conditions as well. In high
            wind
            > > > conditions a low AR is nice because the kite is more stable and
            will
            > > > feel less twitchy.
            > > >
            > > > Kenny
            > > >
            > > > --- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
            > > > > Many people worldwide have asked me these questions and I have
            > > > answered
            > > > > many. I thought it would be useful to post them here:
            > > > >
            > > > > Use a low AR kite in high wind (above 20 knots)
            > > > >
            > > > > Use a high AR kite in low wind (below 10 knots)
            > > > >
            > > > > Between 10 - 20 knots use anything you have...
            > > > >
            > > > > So if you live in Maui or other high wind destinations (where
            most
            > > > pros
            > > > > are), don't need to buy a high AR kite.
            > > > >
            > > > > If you live in Ottawa, Canada, buy both high AR and low AR
            kite as
            > > > the
            > > > > wind can be anywhere between 5 - 45 knots.
            > > > >
            > > > > P.S. the assumption is that high AR kites are faster, it may
            not be
            > > > true
            > > > > for some kites...
            > > > >
            > > > > P.P.S. If you kiteski or want to go fast, high AR is the only
            > > > answer...
            > > > >
            > > > > P.P.P.S. What the pros want may not be what YOU want...
            > > > >
            > > > > Hung.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
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            > > > Message: 2
            > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:34:40 -0500
            > > > From: Hung Vu <hungvu@n...>
            > > > Subject: Re: New Year 2002 predictions
            > > >
            > > > Chris,
            > > >
            > > > Very interesting! Let me add some more:
            > > >
            > > > -- Fins will start to disappear as kitesurfers start to realize
            that
            > > > fins are more costly, cumbersome than helpful
            > > >
            > > > -- With the new finless, properly shaped boards, kitesurfers
            start to go
            > > > as fast as windsurfers
            > > >
            > > > -- Foils will become more popular (than they are now) as they
            are faster
            > > > and jump higher
            > > >
            > > > -- People will realize that by inflating the leading edge with
            helium
            > > > will make inflatables less prone to the "dead seagull drop"
            (hahaha
            > > > someone has asked for it...)
            > > >
            > > > -- Properly shaped finless board will generate higher lift
            allow boards
            > > > to be smaller (120 x 30 cm range) and still ride in lower wind
            > > >
            > > > -- Handles will become more popular (than they are now) in
            lighter wind
            > > > as they are the best to manipulate foils in such extreme
            conditions
            > > >
            > > > -- Kites will be designed/marketed clearly in three different
            groups:
            > > > light wind, medium wind and high wind kites where low AR
            inflatable
            > > > dominate the high wind group, foils dominate the light wind
            group and
            > > > fierce competition for the medium group for many manufacturers
            > > >
            > > > Hung.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Ok, here's my predictions for kitesurfing next
            year,
            > > > 2002..
            > > >
            > > > -- Next years kites will all have more more
            wind range
            > > > ..because
            > > > that's what we all want.
            > > >
            > > > -- The end of picklefork boards. New board
            shapes will
            > > > have
            > > > more blunt tails.
            > > >
            > > > -- Footstraps will continue to be popular and
            will NOT
            > > > all be
            > > > replaced by full bindings.
            > > >
            > > > -- On new 4 line inflatables, rigid carbon
            battens at
            > > > the tips will
            > > > be common.
            > > >
            > > > -- Better safety release/leash systems will be
            marketed
            > > > (they can't
            > > > be worse than what is available now).
            > > >
            > > > -- All kite manufacturers will agree on a size
            standard
            > > > (ha
            > > > ha ..just kidding with this one).
            > > >
            > > > -- Someone will post a "new" idea to fill an
            inflatable
            > > > with helium
            > > > (ughh ..not again).
            > > >
            > > > -- Some products will fade into obscurity like
            reel
            > > > bars, high
            > > > volume boards, and using handles.
            > > >
            > > > -- Kite and board prices will drop somewhat due
            to
            > > > competition
            > > > (..not sure about this one).
            > > >
            > > > -- Kiting will become more mainstream and
            acceptable and
            > > > will NOT be
            > > > banned at many more beaches.
            > > >
            > > > -- The number of kite manufacturers will stop
            growing as
            > > > newcomers
            > > > find it hard to compete against the Naish,
            Wipika,
            > > > Cabrinha,
            > > > Slingshot, Peter Lynn, Airrush, North.
            > > >
            > > > -- Foil kites will do well in the very large
            sizes (over
            > > > 15.5AR5).
            > > >
            > > > -- Kites will come with long lines (>30m) for
            big kite
            > > > sizes and
            > > > shorter lines (<25m) for small kite sizes.
            > > >
            > > > -- Serious accidents will happen where helmet
            use could
            > > > have helped!
            > > >
            > > > -- Someone will break the hang time record with
            over 10
            > > > seconds.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Chris G
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
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