4923Re: Large bidirectional .vs. diretional for light wind
- Jul 18, 2004George,
I came back to the same beach where I started (actually a few meters
downwind but just because I wanted to avoid the crowd).
Going upwind and jumping was not an issue at the upper range of the
wind 9-10 knots. There were times when I was way upwind of the
At the lower range of the wind 7-8 knots, I can still somewhat keeping
not to loose ground.
You may want to consider adding another 10m to your 21.5m and see the
differences. Personally, I think all 20m+ kites should be flown with
40 to 45m lines (buy 2 x 20m or a 20m and a 25m then connect them
At 11-12 knots, I start using my 12m so the "kite size is proportional
to rider's weight" rule is still somewhat valid.
P.S., Regarding age, as most don't know my real age, they DO think
that I am 21 - I was frequently asked for ID at the liquor stores in
P.P.S., The "REAL" purpose of the original post was to encourage the
"never has and probably never will ride a directional" kiter to get
into light wind kiting as large bidirectionals also work well in light
--- In email@example.com, George Sarris
> Hung, I'd like to know if you were able to stay
> upwind. I myself prefer lightwind kiting and at
> 205lbs. with a 21.5m kite I can stay upwind at 11-12
> kts. Below that I need to go downwind to stay up even
> with a floaty directional. Similiar to Hung many have
> come up to me after landing and commented about how
> much fun I seemed to have in the light wind. The best
> comment I received was from one man who said he
> expected a 21 year old to come ashore instead of an
> older man.
> --- ex_cpe <wetstuff@i...> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Hung Vu
> > <hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
> > > This time of the year, lightwind rules in our area
> > and everyone is
> > > "dying" to be able to kite.
> > >
> > > So I took the 169 Litewave for a real light wind
> > test run and got tons
> > > of attentions (as usual, when you go extremely
> > fast in such little wind
> > > compared to the slow-motion of all other
> > wind-powered water crafts)
> > >
> > > Here are my observations:
> > >
> > > - The Litewave 169 is surely a lightwind
> > machine for me, and for
> > > heavier kiters, I think Dave makes even larger
> > sizes
> > > - The Litewave 169 tracks very very well (it
> > simply doesn't want to
> > > get out of its track) even more so when compared
> > to a larger directional
> > > - The Litewave 169 is much smaller than a large
> > directional (such as
> > > the FOne 230), but on water it feels very close to
> > one
> > > - I made some small 5 - 10' jumps ( in 7 to 10
> > knots) and for sure
> > > the 169 jumps better than the FOne 230
> > > - Speed wise, I thought the 169 was going
> > almost as fast as any large
> > > directional (with better tracking ability)
> > > - For jibing, I still prefer a directional but
> > many kiters may not
> > > agree with me due to the difficulty of jibing a
> > directional.
> > > - Either directional or bidirectional, It
> > simply felt great to be
> > > able to glide on the water so fast in such a light
> > wind
> > >
> > > So large bidirectionals for sure work well in
> > light wind (at least winth
> > > the Litewave boards) and jump better but may not
> > jibe as fun as
> > > directionals...
> > >
> > > P.S., When I got back to the beach, a crowd came
> > over and started asking
> > > questions - as usual in light wind - as in light
> > wind, there are more
> > > people on the beach and there isn't anything more
> > exciting out there
> > > except for a light wind kitesurfer.
> > .........Did anyone weigh you? Hung - how much wet?
> > I'm one of the few 'lightwinds fools'
> > in my area but I've got about 195lbs of mass to
> > extract from the water. I kept buying
> > larger kites: R20..18M ARC with little improvement.
> > The best grunty kite I have now is a
> > R16 with a bar that's about 3' long and a spiffy
> > front tube bridle setup.
> > I found the big kites were soooo slow that I could
> > not get any AW with them. A 16 for me
> > is faster and I can sine the hell out of it on the
> > long bar - then milk the power spikes. My
> > rule-of-thumb is: if the kite will go to zenith - I
> > can at least do a downwinder. How's that
> > for Jones'n for a kitesurf?
> > .....but one of us here has to be able to run the
> > math of how many newtons it takes to get
> > my bigass out of the water compared to your lean
> > frame.
> > >
> > > P.P.S., Kiting in light wind is actually a
> > wonderful PR tool for
> > > kitesurfing as it is much safer and people can
> > appreciate and
> > > comprehense it more and become less likely to
> > "hate" it when the going
> > > get tough...
> > ......Au contraire: I'd have a 'student' out with a
> > 5M kite (one I did not care about) in 20kts,
> > albeit with plenty of free, shallow water downwind
> > and let them scare themselves a bit:
> > "feel the power!". Last thing I want at my local
> > launch is a semi-cocky newbie (you don't
> > want to look like a dork in front of 'real'
> > kiters..) in a first time heavy air situation.
> > .....I also sold a LW169 and kept a directional. It
> > provides me with needed float in the lulls.
> > The LW was oooo-k, but not special enough to keep in
> > the stable. A long directional
> > (mine is 6-8) in the ocean is a pain because it
> > 'slaps' the chop, but gim'me some bayside
> > flatwater and I can scream across the surface...and
> > that's a whole 'nother sport.
> > Kitesurfing is so cool because there are so many
> > ways to come at it and variables within.
> > We don't all have to look, act or perform to some
> > 'standard'. The only standard we need to
> > adhere to is safety.
> > Cheers.
> > jim
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