4922Re: [ksurfschool] Re: Large bidirectional .vs. diretional for light wind
- Jul 18, 2004Hung, I'd like to know if you were able to stay
upwind. I myself prefer lightwind kiting and at
205lbs. with a 21.5m kite I can stay upwind at 11-12
kts. Below that I need to go downwind to stay up even
with a floaty directional. Similiar to Hung many have
come up to me after landing and commented about how
much fun I seemed to have in the light wind. The best
comment I received was from one man who said he
expected a 21 year old to come ashore instead of an
--- ex_cpe <wetstuff@...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, Hung Vu__________________________________________________
> <hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
> > This time of the year, lightwind rules in our area
> and everyone is
> > "dying" to be able to kite.
> > So I took the 169 Litewave for a real light wind
> test run and got tons
> > of attentions (as usual, when you go extremely
> fast in such little wind
> > compared to the slow-motion of all other
> wind-powered water crafts)
> > Here are my observations:
> > - The Litewave 169 is surely a lightwind
> machine for me, and for
> > heavier kiters, I think Dave makes even larger
> > - The Litewave 169 tracks very very well (it
> simply doesn't want to
> > get out of its track) even more so when compared
> to a larger directional
> > - The Litewave 169 is much smaller than a large
> directional (such as
> > the FOne 230), but on water it feels very close to
> > - I made some small 5 - 10' jumps ( in 7 to 10
> knots) and for sure
> > the 169 jumps better than the FOne 230
> > - Speed wise, I thought the 169 was going
> almost as fast as any large
> > directional (with better tracking ability)
> > - For jibing, I still prefer a directional but
> many kiters may not
> > agree with me due to the difficulty of jibing a
> > - Either directional or bidirectional, It
> simply felt great to be
> > able to glide on the water so fast in such a light
> > So large bidirectionals for sure work well in
> light wind (at least winth
> > the Litewave boards) and jump better but may not
> jibe as fun as
> > directionals...
> > P.S., When I got back to the beach, a crowd came
> over and started asking
> > questions - as usual in light wind - as in light
> wind, there are more
> > people on the beach and there isn't anything more
> exciting out there
> > except for a light wind kitesurfer.
> .........Did anyone weigh you? Hung - how much wet?
> I'm one of the few 'lightwinds fools'
> in my area but I've got about 195lbs of mass to
> extract from the water. I kept buying
> larger kites: R20..18M ARC with little improvement.
> The best grunty kite I have now is a
> R16 with a bar that's about 3' long and a spiffy
> front tube bridle setup.
> I found the big kites were soooo slow that I could
> not get any AW with them. A 16 for me
> is faster and I can sine the hell out of it on the
> long bar - then milk the power spikes. My
> rule-of-thumb is: if the kite will go to zenith - I
> can at least do a downwinder. How's that
> for Jones'n for a kitesurf?
> .....but one of us here has to be able to run the
> math of how many newtons it takes to get
> my bigass out of the water compared to your lean
> > P.P.S., Kiting in light wind is actually a
> wonderful PR tool for
> > kitesurfing as it is much safer and people can
> appreciate and
> > comprehense it more and become less likely to
> "hate" it when the going
> > get tough...
> ......Au contraire: I'd have a 'student' out with a
> 5M kite (one I did not care about) in 20kts,
> albeit with plenty of free, shallow water downwind
> and let them scare themselves a bit:
> "feel the power!". Last thing I want at my local
> launch is a semi-cocky newbie (you don't
> want to look like a dork in front of 'real'
> kiters..) in a first time heavy air situation.
> .....I also sold a LW169 and kept a directional. It
> provides me with needed float in the lulls.
> The LW was oooo-k, but not special enough to keep in
> the stable. A long directional
> (mine is 6-8) in the ocean is a pain because it
> 'slaps' the chop, but gim'me some bayside
> flatwater and I can scream across the surface...and
> that's a whole 'nother sport.
> Kitesurfing is so cool because there are so many
> ways to come at it and variables within.
> We don't all have to look, act or perform to some
> 'standard'. The only standard we need to
> adhere to is safety.
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