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4922Re: [ksurfschool] Re: Large bidirectional .vs. diretional for light wind

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  • George Sarris
    Jul 18, 2004
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      Hung, I'd like to know if you were able to stay
      upwind. I myself prefer lightwind kiting and at
      205lbs. with a 21.5m kite I can stay upwind at 11-12
      kts. Below that I need to go downwind to stay up even
      with a floaty directional. Similiar to Hung many have
      come up to me after landing and commented about how
      much fun I seemed to have in the light wind. The best
      comment I received was from one man who said he
      expected a 21 year old to come ashore instead of an
      older man.

      --- ex_cpe <wetstuff@...> wrote:
      > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Hung Vu
      > <hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
      > > This time of the year, lightwind rules in our area
      > and everyone is
      > > "dying" to be able to kite.
      > >
      > > So I took the 169 Litewave for a real light wind
      > test run and got tons
      > > of attentions (as usual, when you go extremely
      > fast in such little wind
      > > compared to the slow-motion of all other
      > wind-powered water crafts)
      > >
      > > Here are my observations:
      > >
      > > - The Litewave 169 is surely a lightwind
      > machine for me, and for
      > > heavier kiters, I think Dave makes even larger
      > sizes
      > > - The Litewave 169 tracks very very well (it
      > simply doesn't want to
      > > get out of its track) even more so when compared
      > to a larger directional
      > > - The Litewave 169 is much smaller than a large
      > directional (such as
      > > the FOne 230), but on water it feels very close to
      > one
      > > - I made some small 5 - 10' jumps ( in 7 to 10
      > knots) and for sure
      > > the 169 jumps better than the FOne 230
      > > - Speed wise, I thought the 169 was going
      > almost as fast as any large
      > > directional (with better tracking ability)
      > > - For jibing, I still prefer a directional but
      > many kiters may not
      > > agree with me due to the difficulty of jibing a
      > directional.
      > > - Either directional or bidirectional, It
      > simply felt great to be
      > > able to glide on the water so fast in such a light
      > wind
      > >
      > > So large bidirectionals for sure work well in
      > light wind (at least winth
      > > the Litewave boards) and jump better but may not
      > jibe as fun as
      > > directionals...
      > >
      > > P.S., When I got back to the beach, a crowd came
      > over and started asking
      > > questions - as usual in light wind - as in light
      > wind, there are more
      > > people on the beach and there isn't anything more
      > exciting out there
      > > except for a light wind kitesurfer.
      > .........Did anyone weigh you? Hung - how much wet?
      > I'm one of the few 'lightwinds fools'
      > in my area but I've got about 195lbs of mass to
      > extract from the water. I kept buying
      > larger kites: R20..18M ARC with little improvement.
      > The best grunty kite I have now is a
      > R16 with a bar that's about 3' long and a spiffy
      > front tube bridle setup.
      > I found the big kites were soooo slow that I could
      > not get any AW with them. A 16 for me
      > is faster and I can sine the hell out of it on the
      > long bar - then milk the power spikes. My
      > rule-of-thumb is: if the kite will go to zenith - I
      > can at least do a downwinder. How's that
      > for Jones'n for a kitesurf?
      > .....but one of us here has to be able to run the
      > math of how many newtons it takes to get
      > my bigass out of the water compared to your lean
      > frame.
      > >
      > > P.P.S., Kiting in light wind is actually a
      > wonderful PR tool for
      > > kitesurfing as it is much safer and people can
      > appreciate and
      > > comprehense it more and become less likely to
      > "hate" it when the going
      > > get tough...
      > ......Au contraire: I'd have a 'student' out with a
      > 5M kite (one I did not care about) in 20kts,
      > albeit with plenty of free, shallow water downwind
      > and let them scare themselves a bit:
      > "feel the power!". Last thing I want at my local
      > launch is a semi-cocky newbie (you don't
      > want to look like a dork in front of 'real'
      > kiters..) in a first time heavy air situation.
      > .....I also sold a LW169 and kept a directional. It
      > provides me with needed float in the lulls.
      > The LW was oooo-k, but not special enough to keep in
      > the stable. A long directional
      > (mine is 6-8) in the ocean is a pain because it
      > 'slaps' the chop, but gim'me some bayside
      > flatwater and I can scream across the surface...and
      > that's a whole 'nother sport.
      > Kitesurfing is so cool because there are so many
      > ways to come at it and variables within.
      > We don't all have to look, act or perform to some
      > 'standard'. The only standard we need to
      > adhere to is safety.
      > Cheers.
      > jim

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