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  • fire sine
    Ok, after measuring the power supply transformer, when connecting COMmon to the center tap, I register 18VDC from my analog multimeter and 24.2 VDC from my
    Message 1 of 9 , Aug 24 2:33 PM
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      Ok, after measuring the power supply transformer, when connecting COMmon to the center tap, I register 18VDC from my analog multimeter and 24.2 VDC from my digital one. 


      From: willacyman <synth@...>
      To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM
      Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better

       
      Keith, before doing anything it's vital you check the voltages from the power supply and I would disconnect everything from it before measuring. High PSU voltages are bad news and can destroy ICs.

      You're looking for +5V, +15V and -15V with respect to 0V. MP power supplies are only just good enough for the job and should always be checked.

      Keyboards are notorious for causing problems. Remove the rubber contact strips and lightly clean the conductive 'pips' with isopropyl alcohol.

      Once you know your power supply is OK, you can confidently go troubleshooting knowing you're not going to do more damage. Good luck!

      Steve

      --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "seekwhence" <seekwhensir@...> wrote:
      >
      > Greetings all,
      >
      > I received a korg mono/poly in pretty rough shape. The CV in is missing all together, leads appear to have been snipped, dust everywhere, keys do not trigger, but sounds like a key is being held down and the power switch had been removed and the SW leads on KLM-372B have been twisted together.
      >
      > I began by detaching the Kb leads from KLM-356D and when powered up a dirtied and improperly distorted audio signal can be heard. The knobs on KLM-353C effect the sound and LEDS strobe to the audio when frequency pot is moved.
      >
      > The service manual diagram appears to be incorrect as it labels both mod wheels as control wheel and keyboard. THe wheel on the right appears to properly affect pitch, the wheel on the left does not appear to effect the sound.
      >
      > After inspecting all the leads and connectors, I removed all boards attached to the control panel for visual and odor inspection. I did find that 510k Ohm resistor at R6 on KLM-355C appeared to have one of the leads cut. I tested the resistor and because it appears to have no other issue but being severed and because in my extensive collection of carbon film resistors I do not have any in that rating, I soldered the body of the resistor back to the lead. After reassembling and closing it up, I now get full clean audio in stereo.
      >
      > While going through some of the controls I also noticed that some random keys do trigger or at least change the sound, but not all of them. So. I'm detaching the kb to check and clean the contacts.
      >
      > Still at this point, on only sound I can coax from the M/P range between pac man eating dots and a car alarm that's been going all day and the signal has grown dull. Additionally, I should add that on the center board KLM-354E, none of the LEDS light up from any of the 4 VCOs and none of the pots change the sound.
      >
      > I'm working with low budget digital and analog multimeters, but have yet to use them, I've only been inspecting by ear, eye and nose.
      >
      > Any input or perspective would be helpful and appreciated.
      >
      > Keith
      >



    • fire sine
      Steve- I see what you mean. Thank you for pointing me to the direct path ;0) I m looking over pg and feeling good about. Keith ________________________________
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 24 2:42 PM
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        Steve- I see what you mean. Thank you for pointing me to the direct path ;0)

        I'm looking over pg and feeling good about.

        Keith


        From: willacyman <synth@...>
        To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:30 PM
        Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better

         
        Keith - The 'Bando TA-006' is the power transformer, not the power supply. KLM-376-MP is the power supply board. There are five connectors at the far end, CN31 to CN35. These feed the various boards in the MP with the necessary supply voltages. See page 20 of the service manual for the voltage check. just do a ball park check at this stage. Unless you have a very good accurate (expensive) DVM, you won't set the -15V rail accurately enough - it has to be within ±0.01V. At this stage you're just checking to see if they're way off.

        Steve

        --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, fire sine <seekwhensir@...> wrote:
        >
        > Will,
        >
        > Thank you for the prompt reply. I did clean the gray and black contract strips and the gold contacts on the board. The Bando TA-006 psu has 3 leads coming from it and connecting to KLM-376A-MP. How would I be expecting 3 separate ratings for 3 terminals?
        >
        > Keith
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: willacyman <synth@...>
        > To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM
        > Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        > Keith, before doing anything it's vital you check the voltages from the power supply and I would disconnect everything from it before measuring. High PSU voltages are bad news and can destroy ICs.
        >
        > You're looking for +5V, +15V and -15V with respect to 0V. MP power supplies are only just good enough for the job and should always be checked.
        >
        > Keyboards are notorious for causing problems. Remove the rubber contact strips and lightly clean the conductive 'pips' with isopropyl alcohol.
        >
        > Once you know your power supply is OK, you can confidently go troubleshooting knowing you're not going to do more damage. Good luck!
        >
        > Steve
        >
        > --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "seekwhence" <seekwhensir@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Greetings all,
        > >
        > > I received a korg mono/poly in pretty rough shape. The CV in is missing all together, leads appear to have been snipped, dust everywhere, keys do not trigger, but sounds like a key is being held down and the power switch had been removed and the SW leads on KLM-372B have been twisted together.
        > >
        > > I began by detaching the Kb leads from KLM-356D and when powered up a dirtied and improperly distorted audio signal can be heard. The knobs on KLM-353C effect the sound and LEDS strobe to the audio when frequency pot is moved.
        > >
        > > The service manual diagram appears to be incorrect as it labels both mod wheels as control wheel and keyboard. THe wheel on the right appears to properly affect pitch, the wheel on the left does not appear to effect the sound.
        > >
        > > After inspecting all the leads and connectors, I removed all boards attached to the control panel for visual and odor inspection. I did find that 510k Ohm resistor at R6 on KLM-355C appeared to have one of the leads cut. I tested the resistor and because it appears to have no other issue but being severed and because in my extensive collection of carbon film resistors I do not have any in that rating, I soldered the body of the resistor back to the lead. After reassembling and closing it up, I now get full clean audio in stereo.
        > >
        > > While going through some of the controls I also noticed that some random keys do trigger or at least change the sound, but not all of them. So. I'm detaching the kb to check and clean the contacts.
        > >
        > > Still at this point, on only sound I can coax from the M/P range between pac man eating dots and a car alarm that's been going all day and the signal has grown dull. Additionally, I should add that on the center board KLM-354E, none of the LEDS light up from any of the 4 VCOs and none of the pots change the sound.
        > >
        > > I'm working with low budget digital and analog multimeters, but have yet to use them, I've only been inspecting by ear, eye and nose.
        > >
        > > Any input or perspective would be helpful and appreciated.
        > >
        > > Keith
        > >
        >



      • fire sine
        Ok. After stepping away for dinner and family time, I tested the power board by checking the voltages on KLM-356. I received -14.9V, +14.9V and 5V. I adjusted
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 24 9:17 PM
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          Ok. After stepping away for dinner and family time, I tested the power board by checking the voltages on KLM-356. I received -14.9V, +14.9V and 5V. I adjusted variable resistor 3 to arrive at -15V & 15V. I also cleaned the key contact points meticulously.

          After checking all connectors, the M/P came back on playing an oscillating note with and without the keyboard connected to KLM-356D. Since KLM-354 still does not appear to be receiving power as none of the VCO leds light up, I decided to then inspect KLM-354. I removed KLM-398 from KLM-354 and though there are no signs or scent of burn, IC1 & IC2, the legs are blackish-purplish like very tarnished silver. It's been some time before I've tested ICs and TL072CP / JI49 / X2 appear to be rather straight forward. On the under side of KLM 398, the green side where the traces are visible, R6 and VR4 appear to have displaced heat on the pcb as the immediate area around it, the solder mask look different from the rest of the contacts.

          After a quick google search, I was lead back to a discussion on this group from 3 summers ago entitled ' It rises from the grave (Part 4)'.


          From: willacyman <synth@...>
          To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:30 PM
          Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better

           
          Keith - The 'Bando TA-006' is the power transformer, not the power supply. KLM-376-MP is the power supply board. There are five connectors at the far end, CN31 to CN35. These feed the various boards in the MP with the necessary supply voltages. See page 20 of the service manual for the voltage check. just do a ball park check at this stage. Unless you have a very good accurate (expensive) DVM, you won't set the -15V rail accurately enough - it has to be within ±0.01V. At this stage you're just checking to see if they're way off.

          Steve

          --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, fire sine <seekwhensir@...> wrote:
          >
          > Will,
          >
          > Thank you for the prompt reply. I did clean the gray and black contract strips and the gold contacts on the board. The Bando TA-006 psu has 3 leads coming from it and connecting to KLM-376A-MP. How would I be expecting 3 separate ratings for 3 terminals?
          >
          > Keith
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: willacyman <synth@...>
          > To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM
          > Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          > Keith, before doing anything it's vital you check the voltages from the power supply and I would disconnect everything from it before measuring. High PSU voltages are bad news and can destroy ICs.
          >
          > You're looking for +5V, +15V and -15V with respect to 0V. MP power supplies are only just good enough for the job and should always be checked.
          >
          > Keyboards are notorious for causing problems. Remove the rubber contact strips and lightly clean the conductive 'pips' with isopropyl alcohol.
          >
          > Once you know your power supply is OK, you can confidently go troubleshooting knowing you're not going to do more damage. Good luck!
          >
          > Steve
          >
          > --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "seekwhence" <seekwhensir@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Greetings all,
          > >
          > > I received a korg mono/poly in pretty rough shape. The CV in is missing all together, leads appear to have been snipped, dust everywhere, keys do not trigger, but sounds like a key is being held down and the power switch had been removed and the SW leads on KLM-372B have been twisted together.
          > >
          > > I began by detaching the Kb leads from KLM-356D and when powered up a dirtied and improperly distorted audio signal can be heard. The knobs on KLM-353C effect the sound and LEDS strobe to the audio when frequency pot is moved.
          > >
          > > The service manual diagram appears to be incorrect as it labels both mod wheels as control wheel and keyboard. THe wheel on the right appears to properly affect pitch, the wheel on the left does not appear to effect the sound.
          > >
          > > After inspecting all the leads and connectors, I removed all boards attached to the control panel for visual and odor inspection. I did find that 510k Ohm resistor at R6 on KLM-355C appeared to have one of the leads cut. I tested the resistor and because it appears to have no other issue but being severed and because in my extensive collection of carbon film resistors I do not have any in that rating, I soldered the body of the resistor back to the lead. After reassembling and closing it up, I now get full clean audio in stereo.
          > >
          > > While going through some of the controls I also noticed that some random keys do trigger or at least change the sound, but not all of them. So. I'm detaching the kb to check and clean the contacts.
          > >
          > > Still at this point, on only sound I can coax from the M/P range between pac man eating dots and a car alarm that's been going all day and the signal has grown dull. Additionally, I should add that on the center board KLM-354E, none of the LEDS light up from any of the 4 VCOs and none of the pots change the sound.
          > >
          > > I'm working with low budget digital and analog multimeters, but have yet to use them, I've only been inspecting by ear, eye and nose.
          > >
          > > Any input or perspective would be helpful and appreciated.
          > >
          > > Keith
          > >
          >



        • seekwhence
          After examining KLM 398 and testing the ICs, VRs and resistors, the board seemed fully intact. I cleaned the trace side of the pcb with isopropyl placed it
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 24 11:40 PM
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            After examining KLM 398 and testing the ICs, VRs and resistors, the board seemed fully intact. I cleaned the trace side of the pcb with isopropyl placed it back into position and fired the M/P back up. Now I get all 4 LEDS from all 4 VCOs and they respond to the poly key assign buttons and MG2 pot, but things still do not seem sorted.

            Both Bend and MG1 wheel are confirmed fully functional and likewise for the 4 VCF controls and the noise pot. ALl key assign mode button light up, but not the orange effects on/off or the hold button.

            So currently, a good number of keys in the center do not trigger and the VCO Master knob or auxiliary knobs do not effect the sound. Seeing that I only own multimeters and no oscilloscope, this appears to be as far as I can go. Any additional insight would be welcome.

            Keith

            --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, fire sine <seekwhensir@...> wrote:
            >
            > Ok. After stepping away for dinner and family time, I tested the power board by checking the voltages on KLM-356. I received -14.9V, +14.9V and 5V. I adjusted variable resistor 3 to arrive at -15V & 15V. I also cleaned the key contact points meticulously.
            >
            > After checking all connectors, the M/P came back on playing an oscillating note with and without the keyboard connected to KLM-356D. Since KLM-354 still does not appear to be receiving power as none of the VCO leds light up, I decided to then inspect KLM-354. I removed KLM-398 from KLM-354 and though there are no signs or scent of burn, IC1 & IC2, the legs are blackish-purplish like very tarnished silver. It's been some time before I've tested ICs and TL072CP / JI49 / X2 appear to be rather straight forward. On the under side of KLM 398, the green side where the traces are visible, R6 and VR4 appear to have displaced heat on the pcb as the immediate area around it, the solder mask look different from the rest of the contacts.
            >
            > After a quick google search, I was lead back to a discussion on this group from 3 summers ago entitled ' It rises from the grave (Part 4)'.
            >
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: willacyman <synth@...>
            > To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:30 PM
            > Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better
            >
            >
            >
            >  
            > Keith - The 'Bando TA-006' is the power transformer, not the power supply. KLM-376-MP is the power supply board. There are five connectors at the far end, CN31 to CN35. These feed the various boards in the MP with the necessary supply voltages. See page 20 of the service manual for the voltage check. just do a ball park check at this stage. Unless you have a very good accurate (expensive) DVM, you won't set the -15V rail accurately enough - it has to be within ±0.01V. At this stage you're just checking to see if they're way off.
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, fire sine <seekwhensir@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Will,
            > >
            > > Thank you for the prompt reply. I did clean the gray and black contract strips and the gold contacts on the board. The Bando TA-006 psu has 3 leads coming from it and connecting to KLM-376A-MP. How would I be expecting 3 separate ratings for 3 terminals?
            > >
            > > Keith
            > >
            > >
            > > ________________________________
            > > From: willacyman <synth@>
            > > To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM
            > > Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >  
            > > Keith, before doing anything it's vital you check the voltages from the power supply and I would disconnect everything from it before measuring. High PSU voltages are bad news and can destroy ICs.
            > >
            > > You're looking for +5V, +15V and -15V with respect to 0V. MP power supplies are only just good enough for the job and should always be checked.
            > >
            > > Keyboards are notorious for causing problems. Remove the rubber contact strips and lightly clean the conductive 'pips' with isopropyl alcohol.
            > >
            > > Once you know your power supply is OK, you can confidently go troubleshooting knowing you're not going to do more damage. Good luck!
            > >
            > > Steve
            > >
            > > --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "seekwhence" <seekwhensir@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Greetings all,
            > > >
            > > > I received a korg mono/poly in pretty rough shape. The CV in is missing all together, leads appear to have been snipped, dust everywhere, keys do not trigger, but sounds like a key is being held down and the power switch had been removed and the SW leads on KLM-372B have been twisted together.
            > > >
            > > > I began by detaching the Kb leads from KLM-356D and when powered up a dirtied and improperly distorted audio signal can be heard. The knobs on KLM-353C effect the sound and LEDS strobe to the audio when frequency pot is moved.
            > > >
            > > > The service manual diagram appears to be incorrect as it labels both mod wheels as control wheel and keyboard. THe wheel on the right appears to properly affect pitch, the wheel on the left does not appear to effect the sound.
            > > >
            > > > After inspecting all the leads and connectors, I removed all boards attached to the control panel for visual and odor inspection. I did find that 510k Ohm resistor at R6 on KLM-355C appeared to have one of the leads cut. I tested the resistor and because it appears to have no other issue but being severed and because in my extensive collection of carbon film resistors I do not have any in that rating, I soldered the body of the resistor back to the lead. After reassembling and closing it up, I now get full clean audio in stereo.
            > > >
            > > > While going through some of the controls I also noticed that some random keys do trigger or at least change the sound, but not all of them. So. I'm detaching the kb to check and clean the contacts.
            > > >
            > > > Still at this point, on only sound I can coax from the M/P range between pac man eating dots and a car alarm that's been going all day and the signal has grown dull. Additionally, I should add that on the center board KLM-354E, none of the LEDS light up from any of the 4 VCOs and none of the pots change the sound.
            > > >
            > > > I'm working with low budget digital and analog multimeters, but have yet to use them, I've only been inspecting by ear, eye and nose.
            > > >
            > > > Any input or perspective would be helpful and appreciated.
            > > >
            > > > Keith
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • fire sine
            Can anyone share any insight on the M/P false triggering? Thanks  ________________________________ From: fire sine To:
            Message 5 of 9 , Aug 25 11:34 AM
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              Can anyone share any insight on the M/P false triggering?

              Thanks 


              From: fire sine <seekwhensir@...>
              To: "korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com" <korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:17 AM
              Subject: Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better

               
              Ok. After stepping away for dinner and family time, I tested the power board by checking the voltages on KLM-356. I received -14.9V, +14.9V and 5V. I adjusted variable resistor 3 to arrive at -15V & 15V. I also cleaned the key contact points meticulously.

              After checking all connectors, the M/P came back on playing an oscillating note with and without the keyboard connected to KLM-356D. Since KLM-354 still does not appear to be receiving power as none of the VCO leds light up, I decided to then inspect KLM-354. I removed KLM-398 from KLM-354 and though there are no signs or scent of burn, IC1 & IC2, the legs are blackish-purplish like very tarnished silver. It's been some time before I've tested ICs and TL072CP / JI49 / X2 appear to be rather straight forward. On the under side of KLM 398, the green side where the traces are visible, R6 and VR4 appear to have displaced heat on the pcb as the immediate area around it, the solder mask look different from the rest of the contacts.

              After a quick google search, I was lead back to a discussion on this group from 3 summers ago entitled ' It rises from the grave (Part 4)'.


              From: willacyman <synth@...>
              To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:30 PM
              Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better

               
              Keith - The 'Bando TA-006' is the power transformer, not the power supply. KLM-376-MP is the power supply board. There are five connectors at the far end, CN31 to CN35. These feed the various boards in the MP with the necessary supply voltages. See page 20 of the service manual for the voltage check. just do a ball park check at this stage. Unless you have a very good accurate (expensive) DVM, you won't set the -15V rail accurately enough - it has to be within ±0.01V. At this stage you're just checking to see if they're way off.

              Steve

              --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, fire sine <seekwhensir@...> wrote:
              >
              > Will,
              >
              > Thank you for the prompt reply. I did clean the gray and black contract strips and the gold contacts on the board. The Bando TA-006 psu has 3 leads coming from it and connecting to KLM-376A-MP. How would I be expecting 3 separate ratings for 3 terminals?
              >
              > Keith
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: willacyman <synth@...>
              > To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM
              > Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Troubleshooting Mono/Poly getting better
              >
              >
              >
              >  
              > Keith, before doing anything it's vital you check the voltages from the power supply and I would disconnect everything from it before measuring. High PSU voltages are bad news and can destroy ICs.
              >
              > You're looking for +5V, +15V and -15V with respect to 0V. MP power supplies are only just good enough for the job and should always be checked.
              >
              > Keyboards are notorious for causing problems. Remove the rubber contact strips and lightly clean the conductive 'pips' with isopropyl alcohol.
              >
              > Once you know your power supply is OK, you can confidently go troubleshooting knowing you're not going to do more damage. Good luck!
              >
              > Steve
              >
              > --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "seekwhence" <seekwhensir@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Greetings all,
              > >
              > > I received a korg mono/poly in pretty rough shape. The CV in is missing all together, leads appear to have been snipped, dust everywhere, keys do not trigger, but sounds like a key is being held down and the power switch had been removed and the SW leads on KLM-372B have been twisted together.
              > >
              > > I began by detaching the Kb leads from KLM-356D and when powered up a dirtied and improperly distorted audio signal can be heard. The knobs on KLM-353C effect the sound and LEDS strobe to the audio when frequency pot is moved.
              > >
              > > The service manual diagram appears to be incorrect as it labels both mod wheels as control wheel and keyboard. THe wheel on the right appears to properly affect pitch, the wheel on the left does not appear to effect the sound.
              > >
              > > After inspecting all the leads and connectors, I removed all boards attached to the control panel for visual and odor inspection. I did find that 510k Ohm resistor at R6 on KLM-355C appeared to have one of the leads cut. I tested the resistor and because it appears to have no other issue but being severed and because in my extensive collection of carbon film resistors I do not have any in that rating, I soldered the body of the resistor back to the lead. After reassembling and closing it up, I now get full clean audio in stereo.
              > >
              > > While going through some of the controls I also noticed that some random keys do trigger or at least change the sound, but not all of them. So. I'm detaching the kb to check and clean the contacts.
              > >
              > > Still at this point, on only sound I can coax from the M/P range between pac man eating dots and a car alarm that's been going all day and the signal has grown dull. Additionally, I should add that on the center board KLM-354E, none of the LEDS light up from any of the 4 VCOs and none of the pots change the sound.
              > >
              > > I'm working with low budget digital and analog multimeters, but have yet to use them, I've only been inspecting by ear, eye and nose.
              > >
              > > Any input or perspective would be helpful and appreciated.
              > >
              > > Keith
              > >
              >





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