Re: [KnotTyers] Frame Making Information
- Yes, Jerry:
Please, I am gratefull for all help with frame making. I would love to see your
Thank you for offering your help and advice!
"Be who you are and be that well."
- Saint Francis de Sales -
From: Rev <revjerry@...>
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 1:01:07 PM
Subject: [KnotTyers] Frame Making Information
I've heard a number of you talk about wanting to learn to make frames out of
decorative knots. Well, I know some things about how to do that and am in the
process of making a medium sized frame of about 2 feet on the long side.
Anyway, my process is to tie up as much of it as I can before I assemble
anything. Sometimes these monsters take on a life of their own and demand other
sennits than the ones I've chosen. So far, this one is cooperating pretty well.
Anyway, I'm to a point where I have about 3/4 of all the sennits tied and will
start assembling pretty soon. If I were going to photograph the process, this is
the point where I'd start.
If there's any interest in how I do my frames, I'd be pleased to post the
pictures and provide any description you might need.
Not trying to force anything on anyone, but I have heard a number of question on
this group. So, if you think my work is worth seeing in progress, I can do that.
Check my work in "Senior Chief's Lessons." You'll also see a frame my wife made
recently so you can get an idea of how good, or bad, an instructor I am.
Let me know if there's any interest and I'll whip out the camera.
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- Thanks to all you frame makers for your comments. I suspect there's a lot of others that haven't jumped in yet and I'm looking forward to hearing from all of you.
I'm at the point of attaching my sennits to the frame and there's some things to say about that process which will take more room than the "comments" section allows, so I'm going to put that part here.
First off, there's two basic ways to attach your work to the frame. The first and traditional way is to cover the frame in canvas and sew each sennit in place. My good friend and mentor, Skip Hipps glues his canvas to the wood BEFORE he cuts it to size. Then cuts it, joins it and begins sewing, and sometimes glueing, his knots to the canvas. It's a good process and holds to the old traditions.
The second way is to make your wooden frame, prime and paint it to preserve it and GLUE your sennits directly to the painted surface.
It's up to you to decide which way to do things. My opinion is that if our ancient seafaring ancestors had been able to get to a Home Depot, they'd have bought adhesives and glued their knots to the wood. And just because they used an archaic method we now refer to as "Traditional" is no reason NOT to improve or modify the process. I don't mean to speak disrespectfully of the past. Rather, there are other ways to approach the process that didn't exist when the whaling ships went to sea.
So how you proceed is your choice, and I suspect you'll find lots of people going either way and some combining the two.
For this frame, I'm glueing my sennits directly to the prepared wood surface. Okay, I've admitted it and I'm ready for the flack I'll get. The truth is, I do frames both ways and typically make my smaller frames, like this one, using glue. Then, once I have the sennits in place, I add corner covers using needle and thread as well as glue. Sewing the corner covers in place makes sense and gives a solid join that glue doesn't seem to be able to do. Guess I'm in the category of doing things BOTH ways on this one.
Okay, now that I'm past that battle. Later I'll be posting pictures showing how I cut the sennits to join them at the corners. It's a simple process and you'll need to find your own method. I lay the sennit on the frame, mark where I want the cut to be and use a wood burning tool to cut and fuse all in one step. Works like a dream. A sharp knife and some glue will do just as well. These sennits are cut at a 45 degree angle as smoothly as possible and will all be covered later, so if you get something off a little, it won't show anyway.
And that's the next step. Take all your sennits, attach them to the frame using whatever trick you want to use, miter the corners and start thinking about how to cover the corners; more about that process as I get closer to it.
Now, I'll go take some pictures of the mitering and joining process and get them posted.
- I just posted three more photos of the way I set up my corners. It's a pretty straight forward process too. Cut the individual sennits so that the ends match up as close as possible. Get them tight so there will be less to cover later.
I use a wood burner with a wide "Skew" tip. It cuts through the nylon and fuses the bitter ends together. I can use it to remove and rough edges too.
Now, the next step will take some time so don't look for it right away; here's what's going on.
First, I have to thank my friend and mentor, Skip Hipps. He never asked to be my mentor and may not realize he is; it's one of those strange relationships that just happened. However, where his strength as a teacher lies is his ability to give me new ways to "Think" about what I'm doing.
Oh, sure, he can teach me how to tie any knot, and has. But mostly he puts things into a context I hadn't considered before. And his favorite trick is to tell me to get the scrap box out.
The scrap box is badly named, but in both our studios, it contains a lot of finished knots that didn't make it into whatever project we were working one, or just haven't found a use yet.
Lay them on the table and push them around like Scrabble tiles. Sooner or later, an idea will form. It may be from something you see in front of you. In my case, it's usually something I DON'T see but think it will work anyway. So I need to tie up some stuff and see what looks good together.
The possibilities here are about as endless as you can imagine. And that may not be a good thing because there's too many possibilities to consider. But that's where I am now. I've got some ideas and a couple of things I'm pretty sure will make it, but not all of it yet.
Maine is getting slammed with an ice storm just now and we may loose power for a day or two depending on a lot of variables. However, the room where I do my knotting has a fireplace to keep me warm, and that's where I'll be spending my time. But if I don't get more pictures out to you right away, you'll understand why; I'm Still Designing.
- Another picture with some of the things I pulled out of my scrap box as possibilities for things to cover the corners with. I like the globe knots when I can surround them with Turks Heads to look like budding flowers. The ones you see here are mostly too large and look like a flower growing close to a nuclear power plant!
I've done some smaller ones as well and they are better candidates but then the Turks Heads get to be a problem since they are larger than I really want. So I'm caught in the middle here. I'll work it out.
Vince asked about the outside corners. They actually are rounded. Some of the strands in the sennits aren't lying totally flat and that gives the illusion of a 45 degree angle rather than a rounded outside corner. They are rounded and will be cleaned up when I get to that part.
Talked with Skip at length last night and he suggested a "Sailor's Cross" as a covering for the miter joint between sennits. I know how to tie that one and have used it for that purpose on other frames so it's a good candidate.
I feel like I've hit a log jamb here but I'll keep at it until the "right" pattern reveals itself. It always does. That's the problem with too many possibilities. Too many choices.