Re: [ksurf] Takoon : the end ?
Yepp you´re right! As the market grows, lots of companies form, as
the market tops and stabilizes, the smaller companies start to get
into trouble. The companies utilising their R&D, distrubution
channels(including distributers and dealers), creative budgets,
production and supply chains along several product areas will always
have better profit margins and therefore the ability to survive in
tight times. I suppose there are quite a few creative, R&D and
production/supply chain synergies for the windsurf companies like
Naish and Cabrinha (NP).
IMHO, and as a newby to this sport, there are some major hurdles for
this sport to get really popular. Perhaps this is good. It´s
expensive, potentially dangerous, and looks really hard to do. It´s
not like mountain bikes, lots of people said MTB would never get big
back in ´78, but MTBs can be ridden anywhere, are more comfy and
safer than roadbikes. They offer "more convenience" to the consumer
and this is what the mass market always wants.
Does kitesurfing offer any convenience advantages over windsurfing?
Ok you can get up and have fun in 10knts wind, and yea it´s a blast
once you get going(i´m hooked), but the hassle of solo launching and
bladders and a 3-5 kite quiver bla bla bla....And yes, the equipment
is much easier to travel with, this is a big advantage for people
that have the time and budget to go travelling to kite spots around
the world, but I still need a good sized car for 3 kites, 2 boards
and related stuff.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Neil Harper" <neil.harper@h...>
> True but if you constantly invest in R&D as Burton have done insnowboarding
> you can stay at the top, although having just bought a Wipikamatrix I am
> justifiably biased :-)players
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eddy Cormon [mailto:emet.cormon@v...]
> Sent: 02 June 2004 12:13
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [ksurf] Takoon : the end ?
> Just like any market, the companies wil mature and only a few
> will be left over.In
> I guess windsurfsail manuf. have the most likelihood to survive as
> they can ship through their existing channels.
> Neil Pryde (Cabrinha and RRD ? is RRD also Neil Pryde ?)
> And some low cost:
> I hope Wipika survives this just for the sake of the name. But like
> the Windsurfer - the original - doesn't count in sales after a few
> I expect more to disappear.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, LA2WNDSRF@a... wrote:
> > Thank you for the French website information.
> > I can not truly read french, but with the few key words I can
> decipher, it
> > appears the rumours or difficultys i've heard from a local Takoon
> owner, and why
> > his retailer is very upset about the company. Now, we know why.
> > or receivership, with only $50,000 US in assests, it doesn't look
> good for the
> > company. Too bad.
> > Now, lets see who or whom, will be next? Good thing there are a
> to choosejustifiable.
> > from for now.
> > Do you still see the Sport Growing?
> > Please give reasons, no matter how nonsensical or non-
> >email@example.com or
> > Scott in L.A.
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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- In a message dated 6/2/2004 12:32:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Does kitesurfing offer any convenience advantages over windsurfing?Yes windsurfing is expensive and equipment intensive too. BUT,
> Ok you can get up and have fun in 10knts wind, and yea it´s a blast
> once you get going(i´m hooked), but the hassle of solo launching and
> bladders and a 3-5 kite quiver bla bla bla....And yes, the equipment
> is much easier to travel with, this is a big advantage for people
> that have the time and budget to go travelling to kite spots around
> the world, but I still need a good sized car for 3 kites, 2 boards
> and related stuff.
> Interesting subject....
> Tom Waldner
I've seen a few guys go back to windsurfing for physical
reasons and 'forgiveness' reasons. Because when
you 'fall' on a windsurfer it's no big deal. You just grab the board-an arm'
length from you, usually and re-waterstart in seconds. In large surf is
different though, but that's not usually the case in 95% of windsurfing.
When you lose control of a kite, IT crashes OR you get dragged through
the water, gobbling, until you have the ability to re-zenith the Kite OR you
relaunch from water (grrr) OR you have to watch out for others more OR you
get dragged on land, rocks, objects, etc...
Yeah, windsurfing is MUCH more forgiving but I'd still rather kite
myself. It's about getting serious air lift that windsurfing can't come close
Thanks for the interesting replys, so far.
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