Re: [ksurf] Re: are boxers low aspect high performance ??
- i just realized that recon "tangled bullet" issue may have been the reason
why alex's kite suddenly launched off the water. he would have had no time
to realize the lines were shorter, what was going on and how to control the
( ** it's just a thought because i've only heard couple of rumors about how
that accident happened)
- Hi Guys,
I am looking for a site where where I can download some pictures of the new Slinshot Fuel Splitstrut kite. I have checked already the side of Slingshot but I can't copie a picture from there. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Reinaldo Garcia <rgarcia@...> wrote:
i have a 17m co2 in miami.
ive had 2 problems with the recon features:
today i was a bit overpowered (20-24kts)
dropped the kite. when trying to relaunch with the recon systm i got
tossed/dragged/thrown around quite a bit untill i realized it the lines on
one side were somehow shorter.
by then i had lost sight of my board in the waves and i had to body drag out
of the water.
during this time i had a very hard time controlling the kite and almost lost
on land i checked the recon system and found one side had jammed, the recon
bullet was out of place and had tied up.
i was lucky i was out in deep water when this happened, far from land and
as for self-launching from sand, i once left the kite for about 10 min
flapping in the wind. when launching, the same thing happened and the kite
did the "death spin". though that time i blamed myself for not walking the
lines, i just did a visual check right before launching.
the whole experience makes me think the relaunch part of recon is probably a
bit too complex. (the depower feature ive had no problems)
(1) i will avoid using the recon to water relaunch
(2) always always check the recon system on the side of the kite (bullet,
etc) make sure it's not tangled by the wind right before launching.
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- I have a 12 and 9 Boxer, and have flown the 16. I too like mid aspect
kites and really like the boxers, expecially in the small sizes. They
come with 22? meters of lines, and you won't be able to tell the
difference. (I typically fly Fuels with 27m). We sell them as our
beginner kites, but my intentions are to get them in the surf. They
are stable, turn around them selves(underloop easy)and can be flown
overpowered. It is almost impossible to overfly the window. (see why
I want it in the surf!)You won't jump as high as an X4, Rhino 4, but
you'll stay in the air as long.
I love Slingshots, but the Boxer is a way better kite than the GTO
I suggest youm try one. You can try one of ours if in Houston, or
talk Shane or Cliff in SPI into trying one of theirs. They are
hosting the demo in FEB again if you can wait that long, Naish will
be there for sure.
- Go to site, open the "check out 2004 product". The PDF program will
open, go to PIC you want and click on the box at top next to the
hand, it will say select text or select picture, pick picture, click
on pic you want and it will be in your clipboard.
Have fun, the '04 kites great!
Boxers are by the 2003/2004 standard, medium aspect ratio kites, 1-2 years
ago they would have been rated high ar kites!
Ar is only one part of a kites design, you should never judge any kite with
an ar over 5 to 1 and dismiss it as too high ar.
4-5 to 1 is medium, and 1-3 is low, in kites IMO
The Boxer is a great all round kite, and Naish have decided to mmke a bit
less money from them, to retain market share, thats the truth about them!
The kite turns tight with medium to light bar pressure, forward flight speed
is not the fastest, but as good or better than many so called high
performance/high AR kites from other makers.
It has a great safety system, and I would recommend it to anyone, of any
I agree that we need to promote safe kiting much better, too many desperate
players in the market now, too many poorly trained, uncaring instructors,
too many team riders dumping product on the beaches, often with no real
lesson, if it keeps up there will be no-where left to do the sport!
- I have been flying the boxers for a few months and am very happy with
It is important to know what I like to see if this pertains to you.
I like moderate aspect kites, I like a kite that stays back in the
window a bit so i can load up against it quickly. I like a
predictable kite as I like to spin and have my eyes off the kite a
The Boxer is a high performance kite and it is lower aspect.
It jumps surpsingly well.
Great kite for aerial transitions, spins and to whip sytle jumps.
Hein, I owe you one, so If you want me to send you a kite to try let
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "wyndjunkie2000" <wyndjunkie@m...>
> is there anyone out there that knows anything about the boxer
> kite,or has seen them from a distance even. seems like there's no
> one on the other end unless your selling some safety idea... leash
> strap or some gimick that won't save people anyway!!! stay away
> large imovable objects. hows that for a safety system. not tryingto
> be rude at all I've flown hanggliders for years and all thissafety
> stuff is a mask for good common sense. (IN FLYING)dont do arabaticshave
> under 1000 ft, it takes 500 feet to realize somthing isn't right.
> 200 feet to respond to that, and not much left for the chute to
> deploy. don't kite with any object at least a football field away.
> if you do you are taking your chances, you most likely will not
> the time or the sense to respond... a shackle with a release ball
> and an o shit loop is hard to beat. only thing better is common
> sense. no disrespect to anyone killed or injured. this(EXTREME)
> sport has risks. (not to say there aren't freak accidents). I have
> lost 3 good friends in flying and again common sense would have
> saved every one of them. this is a high risk sport treat it as
> such... now any one know anything about the boxer kite?? J
> --- In email@example.com, "wyndjunkie2000" <wyndjunkie@m...>
> > or are they a one size fits all I have a friend that lives in
> > and according to him some of the people on the beach that could
> > the kites of there choice are in fact choosing and riding
> > boxers... could it be that boxers are just like the aero 1 with
> > turning ability of the aero 2. I am just alittle confused as to
> > I might need an x3 or v4 when some of the top riders are riding
> > boxers who knows they may just be out of cash this season.
> > highly unlikely!. I would love some input from some experienced
> > riders that own or have ridden the boxer, maybe compared to other
> > naish kites. I have read info on all and have ridden everything
> > but the v4 and the boxer. naish has a wonderful way of
> > the kites attributes without ever really telling you anything I
> > think the boxer might be a low aspect high performance kite sold
> > a low price point just to attract new blood J