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Re: [ksurf] which bar?

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  • rohin156 <rohin@aireyryanandhill.com.au>
    I take it u mean the NSI sheet cleat? what does it do that is so good? ill look on the web but from personal experience do tell. ... worlds. ...
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 26, 2003
      I take it u mean the "NSI" sheet cleat?
      what does it do that is so good?
      ill look on the web but from personal experience do tell.


      --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "John Penxa <johnpenxa@h...>"
      <johnpenxa@h...> wrote:
      > I went back to sheet cleat & find it provides the best of both
      worlds.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "rohin156 <rohin@a...>"
      <rohin@a...>
      > wrote:
      > > I notice that ben wilson uses the same concept with the 3 inches
      and
      > > two knots.
      > > so really u have no sheet out, just a sheet in to boost for jumps.
      > >
      > > i want to do something similar, but as i havent been kiting much
      > > longer than 4 months i am still sussing the "stomping" of the kite
      > as
      > > u say and riding out the gusts.
      > > any tips on this?
      > >
      > > i have found that i have been tuning the kite similarly to you, so
      > > that the max sheet out with the chicken loop is a good power for
      > > planing (tho i think the kite is only at about 75-80% power)and
      then
      > > if the wind dies out or if i wanna jump i can just pull the bar
      > > towards me, although the bar is a fair way away from me.
      > > i have been trying to ride in the fixed line and sheet out the
      kite
      > > more with the depower strap but i find the bar feels too close to
      me
      > > and dont have the same strength in my arms with them so bent. I
      also
      > > feel the kite flies further back in the window like this and my
      > upwind
      > > ability suffers. Any theories on this?
      > >
      > > also, as u keep shortening the stroke length of the chicken loop,
      do
      > u
      > > just shorten the length of the back leaderlines the same length?
      > >
      > >
      > > rohin
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Hein van Swaay" <hein@I...>
      wrote:
      > > > Hello,
      > > >
      > > > You might try limiting the stroke of your
      > > > center line (CL) and then just riding in it
      > > > all the time. I ride shackled to the
      > > > chicken loop and have two stops on the
      > > > center line on either side of the bar. I have
      > > > gradually reduced the space between the stops
      > > > and it now allows about 3" travel. I adjust
      > > > my depower strap so that my kite is powered
      > > > (back lines tight) against the outer stop
      > > > (sheeted out). It basically rides like a fixed
      > > > 4 line but with the ability to oversheet the
      > > > kite a little. The 3" stroke limits the oversheet
      > > > capability to keep the kite from stalling.
      > > > I want to try this setup without the shackle.
      > > >
      > > > I found that my ability to control the kite
      > > > is much better especially when doing one handed
      > > > spins/grabs. I never lose the ability to steer
      > > > the kite because of slack in my back lines.
      > > > I can also pull or push on the bar to steer
      > > > the kite. Nor do I oversheet when bringing my kite
      > > > directly down wind in the power when looping it
      > > > after a transition. The oversheeting also
      > > > helps with jumping because you can increase
      > > > the angle of attack to make your kite fly
      > > > upwards as you jump off the water. I've found
      > > > that too much oversheeting is bad because it
      > > > causes the kite to stall or even want to fly
      > > > backwards. This is especially bad when the kite
      > > > is directly downwind as it will fold up.
      > > >
      > > > I also have some experience riding a pulley bar.
      > > > Definitely turns the kite faster. The correct
      > > > setup is critical. If the V line is too short
      > > > then the bar will not return to center when
      > > > released. If it's too long you'll have trouble
      > > > reaching the depower strap. The pulley bar also
      > > > makes getting lifted when launching more likely.
      > > > Definitely want to yank the depower strap
      > > > beforehand. Then power up the kite to what feels
      > > > right for the wind strength once you're safely away
      > > > from shore.
      > > >
      > > > I have used the NSI sheet cleat. It works very well
      > > > but I had trouble cleating it at a preset location.
      > > > I like the Cabrinha bar because of this but it looks
      > > > like it allows too much stroke range for my taste.
      > > > Once you learn to stomp your kite and ride out the
      > > > gusts. The amount of sheeting range you need gets
      > > > much smaller.
      > > >
      > > > My kites are 2002 Slingshot Fuels. I hear the new kites
      > > > are a little more sensitive to sheeting.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > -Hein van Swaay
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > > From: raueda1 <theraves@o...>
      > > > > [mailto:theraves@o...]
      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:09 PM
      > > > > To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Subject: [ksurf] which bar?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > The time has come to move on to a more modern bar setup. I've
      > > been
      > > > > using conventional 2-loop set up, fixed loop and chicken loop
      > with
      > > > > sheeting straps. typically I use the sheeting strap to reduce
      > > power
      > > > > for launch and launch hooked into CL. when I get onto the
      water
      > I
      > > > > set the sheeting and fly in the fixed loop, come what may. If
      > > > > there's a gust I edge and ride the sucker out. Overpowered is
      > > almost
      > > > > never a problem.
      > > > > > anyway, as jumping skills improve a sheetable bar with
      locking
      > > is
      > > > > appealing. the Carinha bar seems like a good idea but it just
      > > locks
      > > > > in one place. The S2 bar sounds good, but doesn't seem easily
      > > > > available in USA. What about NSI sheet-cleat? Other
      > > alternatives?
      > > > > Pros and cons?
      > > > >
      > > > > I'm an strong intermediate and an old man, not a wildman. I'm
      > > doing
      > > > > mostly wavesailing, cruising, flatwater speed and jumping as
      the
      > > > > spirit moves me. With any luck I'll be getting fired in June
      > and
      > > > > have the summer to play. I want to get ready NOW. Quiver
      is
      > > nice
      > > > > new Rhino2 20, 16, 12 and Toro2 8 - so new I haven't tried 'em
      > > yet!
      > > > > Also Mossie 9+, 4-lined on a bar. suggestions? Thanks,
      > > > >
      > > > > -Dave
      > > > >
      > > > >
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