Re: leash?front v back self land?
- --- In kitesurf@y..., "skipfrommichigan" <svschott@m...> wrote:
> I use a bar that has the leash attached to the outside lines - to mythis
> wrist. I do not like the idea of shackle riding - not for me.
> Some manufacturers have gone to leashes attached to the FRONT lines
> running near the chicken loop. What is the advantages to running
> setup? AirRush patented their system (wrist - through the bar). Donfront
> M/X2/Naish (front line near the loop) patented his system - is it a
> patent matter or is it really beneficial to run a leash off the
> lines near the chicken loop? How the heck do you self land aprovide
> center/front line leash set up? I usually ride solo - so I have to
> self land. Kite down near the shorebreak - crash it - and run to the
> kite with the wrist leash deployed. Can you do the same thing with a
> front line setup?
> Anyone that has used the frontline and rearline setup and can
> insight would be appreciated.Hi Skip,
I use an X2 12m - I'm pretty much a beginner but I can
let you know what I do. The leash attachment to the centre
lines is a pretty good arrangement. The line attaches to
your harness, so you have both hands free which I like.
When the lines get twisted (after a jump plus spin), you
can spin the bar to straighten the lines. However, the
leash line will wrap around your chicken loop line. To free
this, unhook, and rehook.
The danger with the leash attachment to the front lines (and
the Naish manual tells you this), is that if you get the leash
attachment twisted or tangled up around where the leash connects
to the front kite line, then when the bar is dropped the kite
may not depower completely (or at all!. This is very real risk
if you get sloppy with pre flight checks etc.
In practice I find the system works
very well. I've let go of the bar in 25 knots with the kite in
the power zone - it depowers instantly, and spins a couple of
times as it heads down. In terms of it being effective as a
reride system, you can be lucky. Mostly I find the kite has
death rolled once or twice when it depowers, so the front and back
lines are twisted around each other (the kite still flies happily
like this though - the handling is perhaps not as good). The
problem area after a recovery on water is around the attachment
between the front lines and the depower adjustment strap. This can
get a bit tangled - you can't really gauge the extent till you
hold the bar and the kite starts to fill and tension up the lines.
I tend to fly solo - ie solo launches and landings. I mostly land
the kite on shallow water - I fly it to the edge of the window, then
nose down for a gentle landing on the leading edge. Drop the bar, but
keep the leash attachment connected to my harness. I work my way
quickly along one line to grab the kite, and then wrap the lines onto
the bar. If the kite powers up, I'm still attached via the safety
Avoiding tangles this way is pretty hard though. It seems to me
that the only way to avoid line tangles in a solo landing
is to take some risk and start winding the lines before the kite is
If the kite powers up early on in this procedure, this is very
dangerous. Pretty easy to loose a finger this way!
Flying with a friend who can catch your kite is a much better
option of course.
- Thanks guys.
I did not realize the helicopter effect you mentioned. I am lucky
enough to launch and land with a large beach area. With the rear
leash system in high winds - the kite does helicopter after I land
I thought the rear v front leash system changes might have been
based on patent issues - not advances in launch / landing abilities
but I was incorrect.
- Hey Dave,
I was landing to the right with the leash on my left line for a while
without mishap. A good tug and the kit spun around nose down, very
neat, as you say, until... Luckily light wind, but the kite did not
depower properly due to lines getting snagged up at the kite (right
side front line snagged on a left side pigtail, then the kite flipped
backwards into the middle of the window and climbed back to 10-15m
before propellering). It all happened very slowly due to the lack of
wind, and I had room to run at the kite until it dropped, but it it'd
been blowing it could've been untidy. The chances of having a
similar mishap must be extremely remote, and maybe if it'd been windy
it would've just pulled the snagged line clear immediately. It was
probably lack of technique too!
--- In kitesurf@y..., "vide72au" <vide72au@y...> wrote:
> you can self land neatly on the beach with the front line leash.
Give the safety
> a good hard pull as the kite goes down, and it will spin to land
> Works for me on 10m, 14m, and 20m X2's in any wind that is possible
> kitesurf in.
> Just make sure you land the kite to the opposite side that your
> connected so you can spin the kite around to land leading edge into
> > > I use a bar that has the leash attached to the outside lines -
> > > wrist. I do not like the idea of shackle riding - not for me.
> > >
> > > Some manufacturers have gone to leashes attached to the FRONT
> > > running near the chicken loop. What is the advantages to
> > > setup? ...
> > >...Anyone that has used the frontline and rearline setup and can
> > > insight would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Skip