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Re: Replacement kites

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  • peter_frank_dk
    You asked for replacements for you AR5 s - and thats what I have tried to answer in the first posting below. But it should be said, that there are foils/ARC s
    Message 1 of 4 , Apr 1, 2002
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      You asked for replacements for you AR5's - and thats what I have
      tried to answer in the first posting below.

      But it should be said, that there are foils/ARC's as alternatives.

      Foils fly much faster, and develop momentarily much more power.
      This is the reason they are good in light winds - because you can
      sinus through lulls much more effective than even the biggest
      inflatable. But they turn relatively slow too, in the big sizes.
      They are lighter - because you are using all the kite area for lift.
      And IMO more fun to fly, in real light winds.
      Some foils have luffing problems, but others have found a good design
      to stop this. And no punctures either.
      In general, the hangtime is not as long as inflatables, even though
      the power-acceleration (take off for jump) is bigger for foils.

      Then we have the ARC, which is a combo of foils and inflatables.
      This one could be worth considering, if you want a very easy to fly,
      autozenith, stable, simple to maintain, no luffing, no punctures,
      fast inflated, and easy starting/landing type of kite.
      The performance is (I know ARC flyers will kill me for saying this..)
      slightly lower than inflatables - but if this small difference does
      not mean anything , then you get all the advantages mentioned above.

      Would add the alternatives - there are other really good kites
      besides inflatables (inflatables get punctures - damn !)

      :-) Peter Frank

      --- In kitesurf@y..., "peter_frank_dk" <pf@4...> wrote:
      > The reason you haven't narrowed it down, is because you can pick
      the
      > brand, or even simply the color you like the best.
      >
      > Yes - if you want flying characteristics like your old AR5's - then
      > you should choose a Naish Aero or Wipika Hydro, which are very much
      > alike your AR5's - they pull very steadily all the time, and are
      the
      > easiest of all to relaunch, and fly very stable - and a lot of
      > wakeboarders/trick specialists use these kites today. The advantage
      > of the Aero and Hydro, compared to your AR5's - is they have much
      > bigger wind range.
      >
      > But some of the other types you mention, are true full performance
      > kites, which are somewhat different to what you are used to.
      >
      > They fly a lot faster, turn quick, and develop a lot of spontaneous
      > lift for jumping, and the upwind angle, and capability to depower
      is
      > enourmous - compared to your AR5's.
      > They don't pop up from the water by itself, like you are used to.
      > They will easier tuck forward - luff and fall, than other kites.
      >
      > The Wipika Airblast or Takoon Skoop are born with bridles - which
      > gives you a totally different non-muscle ride, if you like that -
      and
      > they are equipped with fasteners so you can just fly without the
      > bridles if you want a setup like you are used to.
      > But regarding upwind performance they are quite superior because of
      > the AR (which requires bridles on the big ones, to relaunch
      > backwards).
      > The Airblast has the most extreme wind range of all, but not the
      same
      > low end as other brands.
      >
      > The Naish AR2, Airush Lift, Cabrinha black tip, Slingshot Fuel, F-
      One
      > etc. - are all excellent high performance kites, and the bigger
      ones
      > should be possible to relaunch because of slightly lower AR.
      >
      > The North Rhino is an extremely good compromise between handling /
      > realaunchability (lower AR) and performance, and very good quality.
      >
      > You will not be able to find "one" kite that is better than the
      rest.
      > If they are better at one thing, they are worse in other respects -
      > and vice versa.
      > But newer kites are a lot better than last years, and yesteryears
      > kites, regarding almost everything.
      >
      > You might find one kite that YOU find is best for your needs - and
      > thats what matters !
      >
      > Keep in mind - what is important for you ???
      >
      > :-) Peter Frank
      >
      > --- In kitesurf@y..., "flyingvetuk" <pliversage@h...> wrote:
      > > At present I fly naish ar5's and they are now starting to show
      > signs
      > > of the leading edge going( dotted line effect) so have decided
      that
      > > they require replacement. The only problem is what with. I have
      > > followed all the threads for the last few months and in the end
      > still
      > > have not narrowed it down that much.
      > > Was initially thinking of changing to North Rhino, then the naish
      > Aero
      > > (main reason is that it appears that the aero has similar Ar to
      my
      > > current kites), also considering the airush lifts and now that
      > naish
      > > is brining out the X2 that is a consideration as well.
      > > can anyone please give me a comparrison of the above kites (bhe
      > great
      > > if someone knows something about the x2 other than the techsheet
      > > posted on another forum)
      > > thanks in advance
    • loco4viento
      Hey Peter, I m an ARC guy who won t kill you for saying what you said... My van isn t the road performer that a Porsche is, but its advantages make it a great
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 1, 2002
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        Hey Peter,

        I'm an ARC guy who won't kill you for saying what you said...

        My van isn't the road performer that a Porsche is, but its
        advantages make it a great vehicle for me.

        My job isn't necessarily the hottest job for everybody, but it has
        been a great fit for me.

        My ARCs might not be the hottest performing kites out there in
        some ways, but the advantages you mention make them pretty
        excellent for me.

        Like you are always suggesting...there are LOTS of great
        products out there, each having their strong and weak points
        relative to the rest. Get something that suits your style, needs,
        wants, budget, or even your favorite color scheme and RIDE IT.

        Have fun,

        John

        --- In kitesurf@y..., "peter_frank_dk" <pf@4...> wrote:

        > Then we have the ARC, which is a combo of foils and
        inflatables.
        > This one could be worth considering, if you want a very easy to
        fly,
        > autozenith, stable, simple to maintain, no luffing, no punctures,
        > fast inflated, and easy starting/landing type of kite.
        > The performance is (I know ARC flyers will kill me for saying
        this..)
        > slightly lower than inflatables - but if this small difference does
        > not mean anything , then you get all the advantages mentioned
        above.

        > :-) Peter Frank
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