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  • flyingvetuk
    At present I fly naish ar5 s and they are now starting to show signs of the leading edge going( dotted line effect) so have decided that they require
    Message 1 of 4 , Mar 31, 2002
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      At present I fly naish ar5's and they are now starting to show signs
      of the leading edge going( dotted line effect) so have decided that
      they require replacement. The only problem is what with. I have
      followed all the threads for the last few months and in the end still
      have not narrowed it down that much.
      Was initially thinking of changing to North Rhino, then the naish Aero
      (main reason is that it appears that the aero has similar Ar to my
      current kites), also considering the airush lifts and now that naish
      is brining out the X2 that is a consideration as well.
      can anyone please give me a comparrison of the above kites (bhe great
      if someone knows something about the x2 other than the techsheet
      posted on another forum)
      thanks in advance
    • peter_frank_dk
      The reason you haven t narrowed it down, is because you can pick the brand, or even simply the color you like the best. Yes - if you want flying
      Message 2 of 4 , Mar 31, 2002
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        The reason you haven't narrowed it down, is because you can pick the
        brand, or even simply the color you like the best.

        Yes - if you want flying characteristics like your old AR5's - then
        you should choose a Naish Aero or Wipika Hydro, which are very much
        alike your AR5's - they pull very steadily all the time, and are the
        easiest of all to relaunch, and fly very stable - and a lot of
        wakeboarders/trick specialists use these kites today. The advantage
        of the Aero and Hydro, compared to your AR5's - is they have much
        bigger wind range.

        But some of the other types you mention, are true full performance
        kites, which are somewhat different to what you are used to.

        They fly a lot faster, turn quick, and develop a lot of spontaneous
        lift for jumping, and the upwind angle, and capability to depower is
        enourmous - compared to your AR5's.
        They don't pop up from the water by itself, like you are used to.
        They will easier tuck forward - luff and fall, than other kites.

        The Wipika Airblast or Takoon Skoop are born with bridles - which
        gives you a totally different non-muscle ride, if you like that - and
        they are equipped with fasteners so you can just fly without the
        bridles if you want a setup like you are used to.
        But regarding upwind performance they are quite superior because of
        the AR (which requires bridles on the big ones, to relaunch
        backwards).
        The Airblast has the most extreme wind range of all, but not the same
        low end as other brands.

        The Naish AR2, Airush Lift, Cabrinha black tip, Slingshot Fuel, F-One
        etc. - are all excellent high performance kites, and the bigger ones
        should be possible to relaunch because of slightly lower AR.

        The North Rhino is an extremely good compromise between handling /
        realaunchability (lower AR) and performance, and very good quality.

        You will not be able to find "one" kite that is better than the rest.
        If they are better at one thing, they are worse in other respects -
        and vice versa.
        But newer kites are a lot better than last years, and yesteryears
        kites, regarding almost everything.

        You might find one kite that YOU find is best for your needs - and
        thats what matters !

        Keep in mind - what is important for you ???

        :-) Peter Frank

        --- In kitesurf@y..., "flyingvetuk" <pliversage@h...> wrote:
        > At present I fly naish ar5's and they are now starting to show
        signs
        > of the leading edge going( dotted line effect) so have decided that
        > they require replacement. The only problem is what with. I have
        > followed all the threads for the last few months and in the end
        still
        > have not narrowed it down that much.
        > Was initially thinking of changing to North Rhino, then the naish
        Aero
        > (main reason is that it appears that the aero has similar Ar to my
        > current kites), also considering the airush lifts and now that
        naish
        > is brining out the X2 that is a consideration as well.
        > can anyone please give me a comparrison of the above kites (bhe
        great
        > if someone knows something about the x2 other than the techsheet
        > posted on another forum)
        > thanks in advance
      • peter_frank_dk
        You asked for replacements for you AR5 s - and thats what I have tried to answer in the first posting below. But it should be said, that there are foils/ARC s
        Message 3 of 4 , Apr 1, 2002
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          You asked for replacements for you AR5's - and thats what I have
          tried to answer in the first posting below.

          But it should be said, that there are foils/ARC's as alternatives.

          Foils fly much faster, and develop momentarily much more power.
          This is the reason they are good in light winds - because you can
          sinus through lulls much more effective than even the biggest
          inflatable. But they turn relatively slow too, in the big sizes.
          They are lighter - because you are using all the kite area for lift.
          And IMO more fun to fly, in real light winds.
          Some foils have luffing problems, but others have found a good design
          to stop this. And no punctures either.
          In general, the hangtime is not as long as inflatables, even though
          the power-acceleration (take off for jump) is bigger for foils.

          Then we have the ARC, which is a combo of foils and inflatables.
          This one could be worth considering, if you want a very easy to fly,
          autozenith, stable, simple to maintain, no luffing, no punctures,
          fast inflated, and easy starting/landing type of kite.
          The performance is (I know ARC flyers will kill me for saying this..)
          slightly lower than inflatables - but if this small difference does
          not mean anything , then you get all the advantages mentioned above.

          Would add the alternatives - there are other really good kites
          besides inflatables (inflatables get punctures - damn !)

          :-) Peter Frank

          --- In kitesurf@y..., "peter_frank_dk" <pf@4...> wrote:
          > The reason you haven't narrowed it down, is because you can pick
          the
          > brand, or even simply the color you like the best.
          >
          > Yes - if you want flying characteristics like your old AR5's - then
          > you should choose a Naish Aero or Wipika Hydro, which are very much
          > alike your AR5's - they pull very steadily all the time, and are
          the
          > easiest of all to relaunch, and fly very stable - and a lot of
          > wakeboarders/trick specialists use these kites today. The advantage
          > of the Aero and Hydro, compared to your AR5's - is they have much
          > bigger wind range.
          >
          > But some of the other types you mention, are true full performance
          > kites, which are somewhat different to what you are used to.
          >
          > They fly a lot faster, turn quick, and develop a lot of spontaneous
          > lift for jumping, and the upwind angle, and capability to depower
          is
          > enourmous - compared to your AR5's.
          > They don't pop up from the water by itself, like you are used to.
          > They will easier tuck forward - luff and fall, than other kites.
          >
          > The Wipika Airblast or Takoon Skoop are born with bridles - which
          > gives you a totally different non-muscle ride, if you like that -
          and
          > they are equipped with fasteners so you can just fly without the
          > bridles if you want a setup like you are used to.
          > But regarding upwind performance they are quite superior because of
          > the AR (which requires bridles on the big ones, to relaunch
          > backwards).
          > The Airblast has the most extreme wind range of all, but not the
          same
          > low end as other brands.
          >
          > The Naish AR2, Airush Lift, Cabrinha black tip, Slingshot Fuel, F-
          One
          > etc. - are all excellent high performance kites, and the bigger
          ones
          > should be possible to relaunch because of slightly lower AR.
          >
          > The North Rhino is an extremely good compromise between handling /
          > realaunchability (lower AR) and performance, and very good quality.
          >
          > You will not be able to find "one" kite that is better than the
          rest.
          > If they are better at one thing, they are worse in other respects -
          > and vice versa.
          > But newer kites are a lot better than last years, and yesteryears
          > kites, regarding almost everything.
          >
          > You might find one kite that YOU find is best for your needs - and
          > thats what matters !
          >
          > Keep in mind - what is important for you ???
          >
          > :-) Peter Frank
          >
          > --- In kitesurf@y..., "flyingvetuk" <pliversage@h...> wrote:
          > > At present I fly naish ar5's and they are now starting to show
          > signs
          > > of the leading edge going( dotted line effect) so have decided
          that
          > > they require replacement. The only problem is what with. I have
          > > followed all the threads for the last few months and in the end
          > still
          > > have not narrowed it down that much.
          > > Was initially thinking of changing to North Rhino, then the naish
          > Aero
          > > (main reason is that it appears that the aero has similar Ar to
          my
          > > current kites), also considering the airush lifts and now that
          > naish
          > > is brining out the X2 that is a consideration as well.
          > > can anyone please give me a comparrison of the above kites (bhe
          > great
          > > if someone knows something about the x2 other than the techsheet
          > > posted on another forum)
          > > thanks in advance
        • loco4viento
          Hey Peter, I m an ARC guy who won t kill you for saying what you said... My van isn t the road performer that a Porsche is, but its advantages make it a great
          Message 4 of 4 , Apr 1, 2002
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            Hey Peter,

            I'm an ARC guy who won't kill you for saying what you said...

            My van isn't the road performer that a Porsche is, but its
            advantages make it a great vehicle for me.

            My job isn't necessarily the hottest job for everybody, but it has
            been a great fit for me.

            My ARCs might not be the hottest performing kites out there in
            some ways, but the advantages you mention make them pretty
            excellent for me.

            Like you are always suggesting...there are LOTS of great
            products out there, each having their strong and weak points
            relative to the rest. Get something that suits your style, needs,
            wants, budget, or even your favorite color scheme and RIDE IT.

            Have fun,

            John

            --- In kitesurf@y..., "peter_frank_dk" <pf@4...> wrote:

            > Then we have the ARC, which is a combo of foils and
            inflatables.
            > This one could be worth considering, if you want a very easy to
            fly,
            > autozenith, stable, simple to maintain, no luffing, no punctures,
            > fast inflated, and easy starting/landing type of kite.
            > The performance is (I know ARC flyers will kill me for saying
            this..)
            > slightly lower than inflatables - but if this small difference does
            > not mean anything , then you get all the advantages mentioned
            above.

            > :-) Peter Frank
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