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  • Cory Roeseler
    ... You are right. I should get more time on the water with a Wipika wing. Perhaps after the competition on Maui. I was expanding on comments made by Mr.
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 2, 1998
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      Bruno wrote:
      >Please don't say these kind of things now just from the few experiences
      >you had.

      You are right. I should get more time on the water with a Wipika wing.
      Perhaps after the competition on Maui. I was expanding on comments made by
      Mr. Ness, the star of your instruction video, who responded to the question
      of rigid kite vs inflatable by saying the Wipika is:

      "Not as good you need good sailing technique"

      Bruno wrote:
      >Races will give the answer.

      I agree 100%.

      Bruno wrote:
      >It doesn't need one quality to make a good product but as
      >many
      >qualities as possible.


      Yes!
      >
      >> We should all acknowledge, however, that Flash won the World Championship
      >> Wave-sailing event last year with a 4 line Sky Tiger and a strap surf
      board.
      >> He won it with spirit and vigor, so the specifications of his equipment
      were
      >> meaningless.


      The jumps
      >he makes
      >are unbelievable (I will not tell the height because nobody will believe
      >me!)

      I believe you! Aren't kites great?

      >We are more and more numerous going upwind and I feel the progresses we
      >have to
      >make are more on the boards than on the kites.

      Yes, let's invite the board builders to participate in this discussion.

      Bruno, I hope you are not offended by the points I make. I enjoy a healthy
      debate, and I only engage with those who have earned my respect. You have
      an excellent product and a very impressive list of achievements. Keep up
      the good work and keep the dialogue open.

      Warmest regards,

      Cory



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    • Laurent Ness - Axel'Air
      Hello everybody, I think I have to intoduce myself also ! I manage my flysurf kite-shop down south of France. I began flysurfing completely on my own with
      Message 2 of 16 , Jul 3, 1998
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        Hello everybody,

        I think I have to intoduce myself also !
        I manage my flysurf kite-shop down south of France.
        I began flysurfing completely on my own with large delta kites 6 years ago going
        down wind.
        Saw an article in american kite a few years ago and bought the kiteski package.
        I found it too difficult in my wind (too gusty or too light ) and gave up ! I
        used a lot the kiteski mono-board with the deltas.
        Won the 97 french buggy championship and made second at the euro championship.

        I work with Raphael Salles (windsurf champion) on developping special flysurf
        boards since 96.
        3 models available.
        I sell wipika. Maybe the best french retailer. Am I wrong Bruno ?

        If you want to put a face on this lines, have a look at the wipika kite.

        To Ian
        One of my pursuits is to try and make the sport as easy to learn and as

        > attractive as possible to a wide audience. The two key components to
        > achieving this I believe are to minimise the time spent re-launching the
        > kite in deep water and the ability to get back to the point on the beach
        > from where you started - hence my questions.

        Maybe best to send me an e-mail on my private -mail so we talk about all
        that..--
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Laurent Ness Axel'Air Champion de France 97
        Specialiste Char, Flysurf, Traction...
        rue St Clair 34280 Carnon Ouest
        tel 04 67 50 62 60 fax 04 67 68 54 25
        e-mail: axelair@...
        et bientot .... axelair.com
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      • Laurent Ness - Axel'Air
        ... PLease let me know, I will believe you ! ... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laurent Ness Axel Air Champion de France
        Message 3 of 16 , Jul 3, 1998
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          > The jumps
          > >he makes
          > >are unbelievable (I will not tell the height because nobody will believe
          > >me!)

          PLease let me know, I will believe you !

          > Laurent



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          e-mail: axelair@...
          et bientot .... axelair.com
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        • Cory Roeseler
          Laurent, Tell me about your jibe footwork. I noticed in the Wipika video that (in flat water) you walk through the jibe like a windsurfer. Is this the
          Message 4 of 16 , Jul 3, 1998
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            Laurent,

            Tell me about your jibe footwork. I noticed in the Wipika video that (in
            flat water) you "walk" through the jibe like a windsurfer. Is this the
            technique that you teach to new flysurfers?

            Cory


            -----Original Message-----
            From: Laurent Ness - Axel'Air <axelair@...>
            To: kitesurf@... <kitesurf@...>
            Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 1:31 AM
            Subject: Re: [kitesurf] Kite performance - ridgid vs inflatable


            >Hello everybody,
            >
            >I think I have to intoduce myself also !
            >I manage my flysurf kite-shop down south of France.
            >I began flysurfing completely on my own with large delta kites 6 years ago
            going
            >down wind.
            >Saw an article in american kite a few years ago and bought the kiteski
            package.
            >I found it too difficult in my wind (too gusty or too light ) and gave up !
            I
            >used a lot the kiteski mono-board with the deltas.
            >Won the 97 french buggy championship and made second at the euro
            championship.
            >
            >I work with Raphael Salles (windsurf champion) on developping special
            flysurf
            >boards since 96.
            >3 models available.
            >I sell wipika. Maybe the best french retailer. Am I wrong Bruno ?
            >
            >If you want to put a face on this lines, have a look at the wipika kite.
            >
            >To Ian
            >One of my pursuits is to try and make the sport as easy to learn and as
            >
            >> attractive as possible to a wide audience. The two key components to
            >> achieving this I believe are to minimise the time spent re-launching the
            >> kite in deep water and the ability to get back to the point on the beach
            >> from where you started - hence my questions.
            >
            >Maybe best to send me an e-mail on my private -mail so we talk about all
            >that..--
            >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            > Laurent Ness Axel'Air Champion de France 97
            > Specialiste Char, Flysurf, Traction...
            > rue St Clair 34280 Carnon Ouest
            > tel 04 67 50 62 60 fax 04 67 68 54 25
            > e-mail: axelair@...
            > et bientot .... axelair.com
            >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            >
            >
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          • Rolf V. Oestergaard
            Hi, Don t forget to support the new web index NewHoo at www.newhoo.com with comments and sugestions. They now have a growing kitesailing subject under sports.
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 3, 1998
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              Hi,

              Don't forget to support the new web index NewHoo at www.newhoo.com with
              comments and sugestions. They now have a growing kitesailing subject under
              sports.

              Have fun,

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              mailto:rolf@... http://www.godset.dk/kiteski Tel: +45 3525 1330




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            • Laurent Ness - Axel'Air
              ... First you take the back footstrap out, second you push on your toesThen you jibe and when you are backside you can make a small jump or walk. Either
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 3, 1998
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                Cory Roeseler wrote:

                > Laurent,
                >
                > Tell me about your jibe footwork. I noticed in the Wipika video that (in
                > flat water) you "walk" through the jibe like a windsurfer. Is this the
                > technique that you teach to new flysurfers?
                >
                > Cory
                >
                > ---

                First you take the back footstrap out, second you push on your toesThen you jibe
                and when you are backside you can make a small jump or walk. Either technique
                works.
                ~~~~~~~~
                Laurent
                Today 20 knots but I go for lessons can't sail too much
                myself~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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              • drpearce@bigpond.com
                I started off using action foils, and i found that they were very hard to land in the water even when you do eat shit. I fyou have good control when you go
                Message 7 of 16 , Nov 3, 2000
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                  I started off using action foils, and i found that they were very
                  hard to land in the water even when you do eat shit. I fyou have
                  good control when you go down, they seem to sit up there and follow
                  you. To right though when they hit the water, hard to get up, unless
                  you actually act quick and no waves present. I now fly cquads and
                  they are great, water relaunching is not easy. Once again, if it
                  goes straight in top or bottom pretty easy. But i still find through
                  reading and watching, not many kites are easyto relaunch from water,
                  actually none are. Until we get some science in realuanching with a
                  bitton, we shall just have to fly much more efficient, and dont
                  forget everyone eats shit at some time.....












                  --- In kitesurf@egroups.com, Ian Young <IanYoung@i...> wrote:
                  > How have people found the comparitive upwind performance of kites
                  with
                  > inflatable leading edges such as the "Wipika" compared with
                  > ridgid frame kites?
                  >
                  > How much success have people had relaunching inflatable kites from
                  the
                  > water, particularly if they are two line kites?
                  >
                  > Cheers,
                  > Ian Young
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