Re: [ksurf] Risky Business / "blind" Online shopping carts
- Interesting thread,
Here in Vancouver, many of the local instructors offer deals with certain
shops. The costs of the lessons come off the price of the kite at certain
This way, someone can take a lesson, get aquainted with the kite, its
power, and safety precautions with someone who is at least reasonably
experienced. Or, conversely, if someone walks in and wants a kite, the
dealer can say, sure, lessons are included, call so-and-so.
This can take $150 out of the margin a dealer gets on Kite+Board, which
could discourage dealers from pushing the lesons.
To solve this, I'd like to see local retailers offer a morning workshop on
a regular basis. You could show new purchasers of kites how to rig, setup,
land and launch, as well as some key safety rules. It wouldn't be as
valuable as a series of lessons, but for those people who insist on
learning by trial and error, it could save some disasters at the beach.
The retailers would be out of pocket the price of one or two persons'
salaries for a morning, and develop some good customer relationships.
This does not help in the used marketplace/online.
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- Personally I see no difference in the responsibility between the retailer
and the non retailer selling new or used gear.
Whether you define your responsibility as conscience or duty bound is
irrelevant, if private sellers take no responsibility, they are making a
major contribution towards a limited future for this sport.
I know retailer bashing is a global sport now, but everyone really must take
personal responsibility for making a difference in their world.
Otherwise wear an ostrich costume and act appropriately!!! ;-)
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From: thorpes@... [mailto:thorpes@...]
Sent: 02 October, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Risky Business / "blind" Online shopping carts
--- In kitesurf@y..., Andre Myburgh <andrem@d...> wrote:
> [AM] The same applies to anyone selling their kite second hand.
> beginner (I'm still one too) asked me to check out his setup before
> launched it. It was an AR3.5 - 9 rigged on 4 line. He had the back
> connected to the chicken loop, and his 4-man posse was going to
> launch it directly downwind in a 15 knot onshore wind! He bought
> second hand and the seller obviously didn't explain even the basics
> not to get himself killed.
I agree that the same concerns and dangers apply - but I don't feel
that the same responsibilities apply. Sure, I believe a seller of
used gear should warn the buyer of the danger of the sport and ask
about his skill level and, based on the buyers response should maybe
recommend practice in safe winds or lessons, as appropriate, but I
don't think he has as much of a responsibilty as a retailer to verify
that what the buyer tells him is the truth, or to refuse a sale to a
a buyer he suspects of being unqualified for the equipment, and
perhaps unwilling to seek instruction. A retailer, by choosing to
make all or part of his living from the sport takes on an implicit
responsibiliy toward the sport in general, not just to his customers'
It would be nice to think that we are all so dedicated to the sport
that we wouldn't endanger it by irresponsible sales of used gear but,
unless the sport is contributing to your livelihood, I think that it
should be a matter of individual conscience, not duty.
Support your local kitesurf association !
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