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  • darrenthepres@hotmail.com
    Aloha Scott C, Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about Steve and Kitepower. Now, I wasn t going to get involved and just sit back and
    Message 1 of 16 , Jun 24, 2001
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      Aloha Scott C,

      Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about Steve
      and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just sit back
      and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs worth in
      to right wrongs.

      I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his family,
      and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say G'Day
      and check out his stock.

      I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store and yes,
      he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of other
      gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is always
      busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in there and
      not seen anyone buying/browsing.

      The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you that
      Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories than
      any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and several
      brands of each for his customers to chose from.

      I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than anyone else
      in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive, compulsive
      addiction to power kites and stunt kites.

      You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a crowd
      with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta with
      100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable dolphin
      gaffer taped to the end of the tail.

      Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to buy a
      kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen months ago,
      before they even started stocking kites. The first was my good
      friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier than that
      again.

      Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and kitesurfing,
      his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
      individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to further
      everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.

      I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe get to
      know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some more
      respect.

      By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long Reef
      Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting for
      around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but you are
      way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.

      Mahalo for taking the time to read.

      Best WInds and waves,

      AKSA President in exile
      Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
      and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
    • Kitepower
      Hey Punk Those Hawaii dudes have just pinched an OZ invention, tell them to give us some cred, or we ll come over and help you smoke those drugs Goodwinds
      Message 2 of 16 , Jun 24, 2001
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        Hey Punk

        Those Hawaii dudes have just pinched an OZ invention, tell them to give us
        some cred, or we'll come over and help you smoke those drugs

        Goodwinds
        Steve McCormack


        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • kitemaster26@yahoo.com
        great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a great kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop.. But I have not said one word of a lie
        Message 3 of 16 , Jun 25, 2001
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          great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a great
          kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..

          But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to you
          about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly advised me
          again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I have
          you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!

          But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the respect
          back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
          longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what has been
          said.

          scott c

          --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
          >
          > Aloha Scott C,
          >
          > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about Steve
          > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just sit
          back
          > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs worth
          in
          > to right wrongs.
          >
          > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
          family,
          > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say G'Day
          > and check out his stock.
          >
          > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store and
          yes,
          > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of other
          > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is
          always
          > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in there
          and
          > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
          >
          > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you that
          > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories than
          > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
          several
          > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
          >
          > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than anyone
          else
          > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
          compulsive
          > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
          >
          > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a crowd
          > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta
          with
          > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
          dolphin
          > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
          >
          > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to buy a
          > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen months
          ago,
          > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my good
          > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier than
          that
          > again.
          >
          > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
          kitesurfing,
          > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
          > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
          further
          > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
          >
          > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe get to
          > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some more
          > respect.
          >
          > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long Reef
          > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting for
          > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but you are
          > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
          >
          > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
          >
          > Best WInds and waves,
          >
          > AKSA President in exile
          > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
          > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
        • darrenthepres@hotmail.com
          Aloha again Scott, I m glad I was able to assist you as you have quoted (I don t remember specifics, but I have advised people at times over the last eighteen
          Message 4 of 16 , Jun 25, 2001
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            Aloha again Scott,

            I'm glad I was able to assist you as you have quoted (I don't
            remember specifics, but I have advised people at times over the last
            eighteen months not to buy an advanced kites from both Kitepower and
            Long Reef, If you ask James, Adrian, Pete, and Steve, they will tell
            you, as I spoke to all of them regarding the particular instances.

            I'm sure you will find they all remember each case, as each time it
            generally turned into a light argument, with both my friends at Long
            Reef and at Kitepower, as they are my friends, we worked it out at
            the time and are still friends.

            I have nothing to hide Scott, and always act independently and in the
            best interest of the people who come to me for advice. My business
            depends upon it.

            I also am friends with Adrian, Brian, Brett and the casuals from LR
            at Brighton, and consider myself a friend to James, Peter, and Lainie
            from LR Collaroy. I also consider myself to be friends with Steve,
            Peace, Julie, Tyron, and all the other staff at Kitepower, so if
            anyone can pass on an unbiased opinion, it would be me.

            I did not make any judgements on Long Reef or John or Kitepower or
            Underground or Wipika or Brunotti (check out their TT boards,
            familiar?) so maybe we should get back down to what this list is all
            about, discussions for the benefit of all members and forget the
            trivial back biting. Move on!

            I don't understand your last paragraph, nor do I really want to.
            This will be my last posting on this issue. I could take you to task
            on several other points, but I think that everyone on this e-group
            has had enough of this childish thread and I wish to end my
            involvement here.

            Enough Said,

            Cheers everyone,

            Darren Marshall a.k.a. Deejay
            AKSA President in Oahu
            Australian Kiteboarding School Owner/Operator


            --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
            > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a
            great
            > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
            >
            > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to you
            > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly advised
            me
            > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I have
            > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
            >
            > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
            respect
            > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
            > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what has
            been
            > said.
            >
            > scott c
            >
            > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
            > >
            > > Aloha Scott C,
            > >
            > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about
            Steve
            > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just sit
            > back
            > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs
            worth
            > in
            > > to right wrongs.
            > >
            > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
            > family,
            > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
            G'Day
            > > and check out his stock.
            > >
            > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store and
            > yes,
            > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of other
            > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is
            > always
            > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in there
            > and
            > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
            > >
            > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
            that
            > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories
            than
            > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
            > several
            > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
            > >
            > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than anyone
            > else
            > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
            > compulsive
            > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
            > >
            > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a crowd
            > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta
            > with
            > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
            > dolphin
            > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
            > >
            > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to buy a
            > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen months
            > ago,
            > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my good
            > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier than
            > that
            > > again.
            > >
            > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
            > kitesurfing,
            > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
            > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
            > further
            > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
            > >
            > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe get
            to
            > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some more
            > > respect.
            > >
            > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long
            Reef
            > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting for
            > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but you
            are
            > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
            > >
            > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
            > >
            > > Best WInds and waves,
            > >
            > > AKSA President in exile
            > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
            > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
          • Paul Crawford
            ... If I was one of those Christian Bible bashing guys I d say AMEN DEEJAY! ;) Both these shops offer different types of services for different reason and I
            Message 5 of 16 , Jun 25, 2001
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              --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:

              If I was one of those Christian Bible bashing guys I'd say AMEN
              DEEJAY! ;)

              Both these shops offer different types of services for different
              reason and I have had the pleasure (hey you should see those
              chickens!) of getting to know both of them very well and enjoyed
              watching both shops grow in kite surfing over the last two years.

              Its obvious that people have reacted pretty heavily to the different
              posts on this subject and I agree with Deejay, lets give it a rest.
              Its hard enough arguing one on one with people in real life, but
              trying to argue this point over the net and slagging off each shop
              in turn is getting nowhere and causing more harm then good.

              Kiting in OZ is at an awesome point at the moment. Interest is
              growing daily and it gives me goose bumps just thinking of next
              summer and am looking forward to seeing the best sport out
              there explode as we get into the warmer months. Lets get out
              there!

              < insert witty kite related sign-off here>

              Paul Crawford :)


              > Aloha again Scott,
              >
              > I'm glad I was able to assist you as you have quoted (I don't
              > remember specifics, but I have advised people at times over
              the last
              > eighteen months not to buy an advanced kites from both
              Kitepower and
              > Long Reef, If you ask James, Adrian, Pete, and Steve, they will
              tell
              > you, as I spoke to all of them regarding the particular
              instances.
              >
              > I'm sure you will find they all remember each case, as each
              time it
              > generally turned into a light argument, with both my friends at
              Long
              > Reef and at Kitepower, as they are my friends, we worked it out
              at
              > the time and are still friends.
              >
              > I have nothing to hide Scott, and always act independently and
              in the
              > best interest of the people who come to me for advice. My
              business
              > depends upon it.
              >
              > I also am friends with Adrian, Brian, Brett and the casuals from
              LR
              > at Brighton, and consider myself a friend to James, Peter, and
              Lainie
              > from LR Collaroy. I also consider myself to be friends with
              Steve,
              > Peace, Julie, Tyron, and all the other staff at Kitepower, so if
              > anyone can pass on an unbiased opinion, it would be me.
              >
              > I did not make any judgements on Long Reef or John or
              Kitepower or
              > Underground or Wipika or Brunotti (check out their TT boards,
              > familiar?) so maybe we should get back down to what this list
              is all
              > about, discussions for the benefit of all members and forget
              the
              > trivial back biting. Move on!
              >
              > I don't understand your last paragraph, nor do I really want to.
              > This will be my last posting on this issue. I could take you to
              task
              > on several other points, but I think that everyone on this
              e-group
              > has had enough of this childish thread and I wish to end my
              > involvement here.
              >
              > Enough Said,
              >
              > Cheers everyone,
              >
              > Darren Marshall a.k.a. Deejay
              > AKSA President in Oahu
              > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner/Operator
              >
              >
              > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
              > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is
              a
              > great
              > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
              > >
              > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to
              you
              > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
              advised
              > me
              > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I
              have
              > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
              > >
              > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
              > respect
              > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
              > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back
              what has
              > been
              > > said.
              > >
              > > scott c
              > >
              > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Aloha Scott C,
              > > >
              > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
              about
              > Steve
              > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just
              sit
              > > back
              > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
              bobs
              > worth
              > > in
              > > > to right wrongs.
              > > >
              > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some
              of his
              > > family,
              > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
              > G'Day
              > > > and check out his stock.
              > > >
              > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store
              and
              > > yes,
              > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
              other
              > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is
              > > always
              > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
              there
              > > and
              > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
              > > >
              > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
              > that
              > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
              accessories
              > than
              > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
              and
              > > several
              > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
              > > >
              > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
              anyone
              > > else
              > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
              > > compulsive
              > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
              > > >
              > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
              crowd
              > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta
              > > with
              > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
              > > dolphin
              > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
              > > >
              > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
              buy a
              > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
              months
              > > ago,
              > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
              good
              > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
              than
              > > that
              > > > again.
              > > >
              > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
              > > kitesurfing,
              > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
              > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
              > > further
              > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
              > > >
              > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
              get
              > to
              > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have
              some more
              > > > respect.
              > > >
              > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
              Long
              > Reef
              > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
              kiting for
              > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef,
              but you
              > are
              > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
              story.
              > > >
              > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
              > > >
              > > > Best WInds and waves,
              > > >
              > > > AKSA President in exile
              > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
              > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
            • aruzer@yahoo.com
              Yes Darren, But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian public sporting organisations, People in ownership or with a vested interest in a commercial
              Message 6 of 16 , Jun 30, 2001
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                Yes Darren,
                But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                public sporting organisations, People
                in ownership or
                with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                equipment are normally barred from public office.
                Is he AKSA Secretary?
                It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                Chop chop.
                From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of his
                car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                distance themselves from public organisations.




                --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a
                great
                > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                >
                > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to you
                > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly advised
                me
                > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I have
                > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                >
                > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                respect
                > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what has
                been
                > said.
                >
                > scott c
                >
                > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                > >
                > > Aloha Scott C,
                > >
                > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about
                Steve
                > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just sit
                > back
                > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs
                worth
                > in
                > > to right wrongs.
                > >
                > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
                > family,
                > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
                G'Day
                > > and check out his stock.
                > >
                > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store and
                > yes,
                > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of other
                > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is
                > always
                > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in there
                > and
                > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                > >
                > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
                that
                > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories
                than
                > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
                > several
                > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                > >
                > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than anyone
                > else
                > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                > compulsive
                > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                > >
                > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a crowd
                > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta
                > with
                > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
                > dolphin
                > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                > >
                > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to buy a
                > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen months
                > ago,
                > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my good
                > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier than
                > that
                > > again.
                > >
                > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                > kitesurfing,
                > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
                > further
                > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                > >
                > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe get
                to
                > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some more
                > > respect.
                > >
                > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long
                Reef
                > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting for
                > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but you
                are
                > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
                > >
                > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                > >
                > > Best WInds and waves,
                > >
                > > AKSA President in exile
                > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
              • darrenthepres@hotmail.com
                Aloha Aruzer, Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally a person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding office in a
                Message 7 of 16 , Jun 30, 2001
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                  Aloha Aruzer,

                  Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally a
                  person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                  office in a public association.

                  This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the committee
                  was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago. I
                  had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                  being on the committee.

                  During the election of the committee, I raised this point with the
                  members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that we
                  would allow these exceptions.

                  Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members from
                  Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO interest
                  and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw the
                  importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and off
                  the ground. There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                  all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great policy we
                  currently enjoy.

                  The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                  interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we were
                  all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION, nothing
                  would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no one
                  working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements for
                  schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene would
                  be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities, like
                  the Victorian Waterways incident. Ie. We would be a joke
                  internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the most
                  proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the world.
                  I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                  speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                  Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke to
                  them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our progress
                  and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                  when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting up
                  a worldwide association and found we were also most organised, and
                  Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as his
                  job!

                  People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the hard
                  working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                  whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the rest
                  of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is holding
                  down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our treasurer
                  never showed. I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                  that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the involvement
                  of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have seen
                  nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.

                  Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3 hrs
                  of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that people
                  like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just the
                  time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial day
                  to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                  along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess made
                  by others so that people they have never met, can enjoy their beach
                  access, in places where they never kitesurf.

                  You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done for
                  the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up your
                  hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the sport
                  grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for my
                  unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.

                  We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their own
                  affairs and we can then bow out of the national association, which
                  will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this sound
                  fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which local
                  clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the most
                  unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that every
                  persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                  sport into the next ten years and further.

                  We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in some
                  states willing to start putting things together in their local area
                  to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I and
                  the committee members, I say thank you.

                  Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                  newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from 70
                  recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to make
                  sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows the
                  general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                  Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the committee
                  work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                  labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                  Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?

                  Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an effort.
                  My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee members
                  who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                  tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.


                  MAHALO!

                  Darren Marshall
                  Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                  And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School


                  --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                  > Yes Darren,
                  > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                  > public sporting organisations, People
                  > in ownership or
                  > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                  > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                  > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                  > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                  > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                  > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                  > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                  > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                  > Chop chop.
                  > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                  > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of his
                  > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                  > distance themselves from public organisations.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                  > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a
                  > great
                  > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                  > >
                  > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to
                  you
                  > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                  advised
                  > me
                  > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I
                  have
                  > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                  > >
                  > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                  > respect
                  > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                  > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what has
                  > been
                  > > said.
                  > >
                  > > scott c
                  > >
                  > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Aloha Scott C,
                  > > >
                  > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about
                  > Steve
                  > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just
                  sit
                  > > back
                  > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs
                  > worth
                  > > in
                  > > > to right wrongs.
                  > > >
                  > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
                  > > family,
                  > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
                  > G'Day
                  > > > and check out his stock.
                  > > >
                  > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store
                  and
                  > > yes,
                  > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                  other
                  > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store is
                  > > always
                  > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                  there
                  > > and
                  > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                  > > >
                  > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
                  > that
                  > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories
                  > than
                  > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
                  > > several
                  > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                  > > >
                  > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                  anyone
                  > > else
                  > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                  > > compulsive
                  > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                  > > >
                  > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                  crowd
                  > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the Delta
                  > > with
                  > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
                  > > dolphin
                  > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                  > > >
                  > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to buy
                  a
                  > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen months
                  > > ago,
                  > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my good
                  > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier than
                  > > that
                  > > > again.
                  > > >
                  > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                  > > kitesurfing,
                  > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                  > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
                  > > further
                  > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                  > > >
                  > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe get
                  > to
                  > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some more
                  > > > respect.
                  > > >
                  > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long
                  > Reef
                  > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting
                  for
                  > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but you
                  > are
                  > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
                  > > >
                  > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                  > > >
                  > > > Best WInds and waves,
                  > > >
                  > > > AKSA President in exile
                  > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                  > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                • Jeremy H
                  Smart words from Darren!! The only thing he forgot to mention - Steve McCormack can be addressed as PAPA KITE as he is knowledgeable about all kites and
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                    Smart words from Darren!!

                    The only thing he forgot to mention -
                    Steve McCormack can be addressed as "PAPA KITE" as he is
                    knowledgeable about all kites and kitesurfing related matters.
                    He is known locally (in Sydney) by this name!

                    Jeremy H

                    --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                    > Aloha Aruzer,
                    >
                    > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally a
                    > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                    > office in a public association.
                    >
                    > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the committee
                    > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago. I
                    > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                    > being on the committee.
                    >
                    > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with the
                    > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that we
                    > would allow these exceptions.
                    >
                    > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                    from
                    > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                    interest
                    > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw the
                    > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                    off
                    > the ground. There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                    > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great policy
                    we
                    > currently enjoy.
                    >
                    > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                    > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we were
                    > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION, nothing
                    > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no one
                    > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                    for
                    > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene would
                    > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities, like
                    > the Victorian Waterways incident. Ie. We would be a joke
                    > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                    most
                    > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                    world.
                    > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                    > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                    > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke to
                    > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our progress
                    > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                    > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                    up
                    > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised, and
                    > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                    his
                    > job!
                    >
                    > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the hard
                    > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                    > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the rest
                    > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                    holding
                    > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our treasurer
                    > never showed. I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to
                    ensure
                    > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                    involvement
                    > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                    seen
                    > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.
                    >
                    > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                    hrs
                    > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that people
                    > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                    the
                    > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial day
                    > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                    > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                    made
                    > by others so that people they have never met, can enjoy their beach
                    > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                    >
                    > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                    for
                    > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                    your
                    > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the sport
                    > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for my
                    > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                    >
                    > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                    own
                    > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association, which
                    > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this sound
                    > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which local
                    > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                    most
                    > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that every
                    > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                    > sport into the next ten years and further.
                    >
                    > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                    some
                    > states willing to start putting things together in their local area
                    > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I and
                    > the committee members, I say thank you.
                    >
                    > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                    > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                    70
                    > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to make
                    > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                    the
                    > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                    > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                    committee
                    > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                    > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                    > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                    >
                    > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                    effort.
                    > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee members
                    > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                    > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                    >
                    >
                    > MAHALO!
                    >
                    > Darren Marshall
                    > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                    > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                    > > Yes Darren,
                    > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                    > > public sporting organisations, People
                    > > in ownership or
                    > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                    > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                    > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                    > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                    > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                    > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                    > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                    > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                    > > Chop chop.
                    > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                    > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                    his
                    > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                    > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                    > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a
                    > > great
                    > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                    > > >
                    > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to
                    > you
                    > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                    > advised
                    > > me
                    > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I
                    > have
                    > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                    > > >
                    > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                    > > respect
                    > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                    > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                    has
                    > > been
                    > > > said.
                    > > >
                    > > > scott c
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about
                    > > Steve
                    > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just
                    > sit
                    > > > back
                    > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs
                    > > worth
                    > > > in
                    > > > > to right wrongs.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
                    > > > family,
                    > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
                    > > G'Day
                    > > > > and check out his stock.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store
                    > and
                    > > > yes,
                    > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                    > other
                    > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                    is
                    > > > always
                    > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                    > there
                    > > > and
                    > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
                    > > that
                    > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories
                    > > than
                    > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
                    > > > several
                    > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                    > anyone
                    > > > else
                    > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                    > > > compulsive
                    > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                    > crowd
                    > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                    Delta
                    > > > with
                    > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
                    > > > dolphin
                    > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                    buy
                    > a
                    > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                    months
                    > > > ago,
                    > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                    good
                    > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                    than
                    > > > that
                    > > > > again.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                    > > > kitesurfing,
                    > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                    > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
                    > > > further
                    > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                    get
                    > > to
                    > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                    more
                    > > > > respect.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long
                    > > Reef
                    > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting
                    > for
                    > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                    you
                    > > are
                    > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > AKSA President in exile
                    > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                    > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                  • aruzer@yahoo.com
                    ... (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it. Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve posted..Instructions to Shut
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                      --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                      > Aloha Aruzer,(Reply)Hi Darren
                      >
                      > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally a
                      > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                      > office in a public association.

                      (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it.

                      Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve
                      posted..Instructions to Shut UP, from him
                      not even the President. It looked hostile ..(brazen? Confident?
                      Obviously he is in Total Control of the AKSA) and sadly you have
                      allowed yourselves to become comprimised, complicit, and to accept
                      the untoward situation because.........

                      it's convenient,better to have something...... than nothing.

                      Kinda like Like The reaction you get from a guy with from a beautiful
                      wife he wants to keep when he tries to justiy her sleeping
                      around. "Look !! She
                      keeps the house clean. I don't have to do it and it allows me more
                      time to kitesurf...." How dare you bring that up. We're not supposed
                      to talk about that... or when you're caught in a gay pub by your mates
                      because " I went to school with him"

                      I'd hoped for something more honest than a hostile reply, may be
                      something like.. "yeah it's not good is it? We made a mistake but
                      that's only a short term appointment till we get the AKSA up and
                      running to a level where it can be squeaky clean." Just give us time."



                      (R)Please tell me I'm wrong?
                      >
                      > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the committee
                      > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago. I
                      > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                      > being on the committee.

                      >(R)None ever should

                      > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with the
                      > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that we
                      > would allow these exceptions.

                      (R)WRONG nice atmosphere,nice guys,keen to get anything going so you
                      comprimise your principles... Better to have waited and found 6
                      other members. Not every member is in business surely !!!! The
                      groundwork for the AKSA deserved better than that.

                      >
                      > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                      from
                      > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                      interest
                      > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw the
                      > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                      off
                      > the ground.

                      (R)Oh That was in 2000 BK (Before Kitesurfing) None existed before
                      then?
                      Ian and others had in fact done quite a lot.True?

                      (R) Guys from WA were not even invited to Attend.
                      Maybe the name should be "The AKSA (Except WA) Inc.

                      There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                      > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great policy
                      we
                      > currently enjoy. (And pay for)

                      (R) Could have been contracted out to Steve, He would still have done
                      it I'm sure even if he wasn't the Sec/Treasurer ????
                      >
                      > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                      > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we were
                      > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION, nothing
                      > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no one
                      > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                      for
                      > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene would
                      > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities, like
                      > the Victorian Waterways incident.

                      (R)
                      In dealing with organisations like waterways you should declare
                      whether you are a public organisation of just a group of self seeking
                      businesmen. Of course that isn't the case but if it is you should
                      disband your articles of Association (You have them) and reregister
                      as a private company.

                      Ie. We would be a joke
                      > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                      most
                      > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                      world.

                      (R) respect is something that is acheived not assumed. You will take
                      this matter in hand and fix it. You can hardly sweep it under the
                      carpet or be told to "Shut up about it" Then you will have
                      credibility.


                      > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                      > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                      > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke to
                      > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our progress
                      > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                      > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                      up
                      > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised, and
                      > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                      his
                      > job!

                      > (R)Go Go eric, Standard Reply (the Commercial) follows below from
                      Darren

                      > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the hard
                      > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                      > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the rest
                      > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                      holding
                      > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our treasurer
                      > never showed.

                      (R) Hold Elections then

                      I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                      > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                      involvement
                      > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                      seen
                      > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.

                      (R) Big Brother eh? wink wink. A lot can happen when you are
                      thousands of miles away.
                      >
                      > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                      hrs
                      > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that people
                      > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                      the
                      > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial day
                      > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                      > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                      made
                      > by others so that people they have never met,
                      can enjoy their beach
                      > access, in places where they never kitesurf.

                      (R) You have done this for me? Darren now gets upwind (Below)

                      >
                      > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                      for
                      > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                      your
                      > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the sport
                      > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for my
                      > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                      >
                      > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                      own
                      > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association, which
                      > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this sound
                      > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which local
                      > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                      most
                      > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that every
                      > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                      > sport into the next ten years and further.
                      >
                      > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                      some
                      > states willing to start putting things together in their local area
                      > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I and
                      > the committee members, I say thank you.
                      >
                      > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                      > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                      70
                      > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to make
                      > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                      the
                      > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.

                      > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                      committee
                      > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                      > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                      > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?

                      (R) Whats New, it's like our cricket club, but we are not whingeing.
                      At least our Chairman doesn't own the Sports Shop.
                      >
                      > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an effort.

                      (R) To buy product from us.

                      > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee members
                      > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                      > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                      >
                      >
                      > MAHALO!
                      >
                      > Darren Marshall
                      > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                      > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School

                      CHECKLIST Sec/Treasurer web site with competition with no T/C permit
                      Raffle on Reg premises no permit.
                      Hope the Insurance deal has no similar oversights....


                      Cheers,
                      aruzer

                      >
                      >
                      > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                      > > Yes Darren,
                      > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                      > > public sporting organisations, People
                      > > in ownership or
                      > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                      > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                      > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                      > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                      > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                      > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                      > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                      > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                      > > Chop chop.
                      > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                      > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                      his
                      > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                      > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                      > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is a
                      > > great
                      > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                      > > >
                      > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke to
                      > you
                      > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                      > advised
                      > > me
                      > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess I
                      > have
                      > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                      > > >
                      > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                      > > respect
                      > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                      > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                      has
                      > > been
                      > > > said.
                      > > >
                      > > > scott c
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings about
                      > > Steve
                      > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and just
                      > sit
                      > > > back
                      > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2 bobs
                      > > worth
                      > > > in
                      > > > > to right wrongs.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of his
                      > > > family,
                      > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to say
                      > > G'Day
                      > > > > and check out his stock.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy store
                      > and
                      > > > yes,
                      > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                      > other
                      > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                      is
                      > > > always
                      > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                      > there
                      > > > and
                      > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell you
                      > > that
                      > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and accessories
                      > > than
                      > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds and
                      > > > several
                      > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                      > anyone
                      > > > else
                      > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                      > > > compulsive
                      > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                      > crowd
                      > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                      Delta
                      > > > with
                      > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the inflatable
                      > > > dolphin
                      > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                      buy
                      > a
                      > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                      months
                      > > > ago,
                      > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                      good
                      > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                      than
                      > > > that
                      > > > > again.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                      > > > kitesurfing,
                      > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                      > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction to
                      > > > further
                      > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                      get
                      > > to
                      > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                      more
                      > > > > respect.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by Long
                      > > Reef
                      > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and kiting
                      > for
                      > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                      you
                      > > are
                      > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the story.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > AKSA President in exile
                      > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                      > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                    • aruzer@yahoo.com
                      ... No this is not about whether Steve is well liked. I m sure he is It s about the foundations of kitesurfing in Australia being built on foundations that we
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                        ---Jeremy, thanks for braving the embargo
                        No this is not about whether Steve is well liked.
                        I'm sure he is
                        It's about the foundations of kitesurfing in Australia being built on
                        foundations that we can all respect.
                        To have our peak association enjoying total credibility
                        Surely Darren and all the committee members
                        AND MEMBERDS
                        we would all like that

                        Aruzer

                        In kitesurf@y..., "Jeremy H" <jeremy@s...> wrote:
                        > Smart words from Darren!!
                        >
                        > The only thing he forgot to mention -
                        > Steve McCormack can be addressed as "PAPA KITE" as he is
                        > knowledgeable about all kites and kitesurfing related matters.
                        > He is known locally (in Sydney) by this name!
                        >
                        > Jeremy H
                        >
                        > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                        > > Aloha Aruzer,
                        > >
                        > > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally
                        a
                        > > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                        > > office in a public association.
                        > >
                        > > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the
                        committee
                        > > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago.
                        I
                        > > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                        > > being on the committee.
                        > >
                        > > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with
                        the
                        > > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that
                        we
                        > > would allow these exceptions.
                        > >
                        > > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                        > from
                        > > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                        > interest
                        > > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw
                        the
                        > > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                        > off
                        > > the ground. There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance,
                        and
                        > > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great
                        policy
                        > we
                        > > currently enjoy.
                        > >
                        > > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                        > > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we
                        were
                        > > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION,
                        nothing
                        > > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no
                        one
                        > > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                        > for
                        > > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene
                        would
                        > > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities,
                        like
                        > > the Victorian Waterways incident. Ie. We would be a joke
                        > > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                        > most
                        > > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                        > world.
                        > > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                        > > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                        > > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke
                        to
                        > > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our
                        progress
                        > > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                        > > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                        > up
                        > > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised,
                        and
                        > > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                        > his
                        > > job!
                        > >
                        > > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the
                        hard
                        > > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                        > > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the
                        rest
                        > > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                        > holding
                        > > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our
                        treasurer
                        > > never showed. I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to
                        > ensure
                        > > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                        > involvement
                        > > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                        > seen
                        > > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.
                        > >
                        > > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                        > hrs
                        > > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that
                        people
                        > > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                        > the
                        > > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial
                        day
                        > > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                        > > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                        > made
                        > > by others so that people they have never met, can enjoy their
                        beach
                        > > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                        > >
                        > > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                        > for
                        > > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                        > your
                        > > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the
                        sport
                        > > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for
                        my
                        > > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                        > >
                        > > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                        > own
                        > > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association,
                        which
                        > > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this
                        sound
                        > > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which
                        local
                        > > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                        > most
                        > > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that
                        every
                        > > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                        > > sport into the next ten years and further.
                        > >
                        > > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                        > some
                        > > states willing to start putting things together in their local
                        area
                        > > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I
                        and
                        > > the committee members, I say thank you.
                        > >
                        > > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                        > > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                        > 70
                        > > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to
                        make
                        > > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                        > the
                        > > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                        > > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                        > committee
                        > > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                        > > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                        > > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                        > >
                        > > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                        > effort.
                        > > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee
                        members
                        > > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                        > > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > MAHALO!
                        > >
                        > > Darren Marshall
                        > > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                        > > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                        > > > Yes Darren,
                        > > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                        > > > public sporting organisations, People
                        > > > in ownership or
                        > > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                        > > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                        > > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                        > > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                        > > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                        > > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                        > > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                        > > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                        > > > Chop chop.
                        > > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                        > > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                        > his
                        > > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                        > > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                        > > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is
                        a
                        > > > great
                        > > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                        > > > >
                        > > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke
                        to
                        > > you
                        > > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                        > > advised
                        > > > me
                        > > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess
                        I
                        > > have
                        > > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                        > > > respect
                        > > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                        > > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                        > has
                        > > > been
                        > > > > said.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > scott c
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
                        about
                        > > > Steve
                        > > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and
                        just
                        > > sit
                        > > > > back
                        > > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
                        bobs
                        > > > worth
                        > > > > in
                        > > > > > to right wrongs.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of
                        his
                        > > > > family,
                        > > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to
                        say
                        > > > G'Day
                        > > > > > and check out his stock.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy
                        store
                        > > and
                        > > > > yes,
                        > > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                        > > other
                        > > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                        > is
                        > > > > always
                        > > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                        > > there
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell
                        you
                        > > > that
                        > > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
                        accessories
                        > > > than
                        > > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
                        and
                        > > > > several
                        > > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                        > > anyone
                        > > > > else
                        > > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                        > > > > compulsive
                        > > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                        > > crowd
                        > > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                        > Delta
                        > > > > with
                        > > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the
                        inflatable
                        > > > > dolphin
                        > > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                        > buy
                        > > a
                        > > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                        > months
                        > > > > ago,
                        > > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                        > good
                        > > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                        > than
                        > > > > that
                        > > > > > again.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                        > > > > kitesurfing,
                        > > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                        > > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction
                        to
                        > > > > further
                        > > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                        > get
                        > > > to
                        > > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                        > more
                        > > > > > respect.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
                        Long
                        > > > Reef
                        > > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
                        kiting
                        > > for
                        > > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                        > you
                        > > > are
                        > > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
                        story.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > AKSA President in exile
                        > > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                        > > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                      • kitemanic@yahoo.co.uk
                        Yo Steve, sounds like you got some professional computer-kite- slanderer-nerds on your ass! Well you said you wouldnt get caught up in this stuff after the
                        Message 11 of 16 , Jul 1, 2001
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                          Yo Steve, sounds like you got some professional computer-kite-
                          slanderer-nerds on your ass! Well you said you wouldnt get caught up
                          in this stuff after the last thread, so let's see you do just that.
                          Like you said they're just trolling, obviously.
                          lates,
                          DREW

                          aruzer, very warrior like name, must be tuff! :P
                          if aruzer put half as much energy into writing funny posts then he'd
                          probably be able to surpass tODD with ease...


                          --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                          > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                          > > Aloha Aruzer,(Reply)Hi Darren
                          > >
                          > > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally
                          a
                          > > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                          > > office in a public association.
                          >
                          > (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it.
                          >
                          > Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve
                          > posted..Instructions to Shut UP, from him
                          > not even the President. It looked hostile ..(brazen? Confident?
                          > Obviously he is in Total Control of the AKSA) and sadly you have
                          > allowed yourselves to become comprimised, complicit, and to accept
                          > the untoward situation because.........
                          >
                          > it's convenient,better to have something...... than nothing.
                          >
                          > Kinda like Like The reaction you get from a guy with from a
                          beautiful
                          > wife he wants to keep when he tries to justiy her sleeping
                          > around. "Look !! She
                          > keeps the house clean. I don't have to do it and it allows me more
                          > time to kitesurf...." How dare you bring that up. We're not
                          supposed
                          > to talk about that... or when you're caught in a gay pub by your
                          mates
                          > because " I went to school with him"
                          >
                          > I'd hoped for something more honest than a hostile reply, may be
                          > something like.. "yeah it's not good is it? We made a mistake but
                          > that's only a short term appointment till we get the AKSA up and
                          > running to a level where it can be squeaky clean." Just give us
                          time."
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > (R)Please tell me I'm wrong?
                          > >
                          > > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the
                          committee
                          > > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago.
                          I
                          > > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                          > > being on the committee.
                          >
                          > >(R)None ever should
                          >
                          > > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with
                          the
                          > > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that
                          we
                          > > would allow these exceptions.
                          >
                          > (R)WRONG nice atmosphere,nice guys,keen to get anything going so
                          you
                          > comprimise your principles... Better to have waited and found 6
                          > other members. Not every member is in business surely !!!! The
                          > groundwork for the AKSA deserved better than that.
                          >
                          > >
                          > > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                          > from
                          > > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                          > interest
                          > > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw
                          the
                          > > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                          > off
                          > > the ground.
                          >
                          > (R)Oh That was in 2000 BK (Before Kitesurfing) None existed before
                          > then?
                          > Ian and others had in fact done quite a lot.True?
                          >
                          > (R) Guys from WA were not even invited to Attend.
                          > Maybe the name should be "The AKSA (Except WA) Inc.
                          >
                          > There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                          > > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great
                          policy
                          > we
                          > > currently enjoy. (And pay for)
                          >
                          > (R) Could have been contracted out to Steve, He would still have
                          done
                          > it I'm sure even if he wasn't the Sec/Treasurer ????
                          > >
                          > > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                          > > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we
                          were
                          > > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION,
                          nothing
                          > > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no
                          one
                          > > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                          > for
                          > > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene
                          would
                          > > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities,
                          like
                          > > the Victorian Waterways incident.
                          >
                          > (R)
                          > In dealing with organisations like waterways you should declare
                          > whether you are a public organisation of just a group of self
                          seeking
                          > businesmen. Of course that isn't the case but if it is you should
                          > disband your articles of Association (You have them) and reregister
                          > as a private company.
                          >
                          > Ie. We would be a joke
                          > > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                          > most
                          > > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                          > world.
                          >
                          > (R) respect is something that is acheived not assumed. You will
                          take
                          > this matter in hand and fix it. You can hardly sweep it under the
                          > carpet or be told to "Shut up about it" Then you will have
                          > credibility.
                          >
                          >
                          > > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                          > > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                          > > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke
                          to
                          > > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our
                          progress
                          > > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                          > > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                          > up
                          > > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised,
                          and
                          > > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                          > his
                          > > job!
                          >
                          > > (R)Go Go eric, Standard Reply (the Commercial) follows below
                          from
                          > Darren
                          >
                          > > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the
                          hard
                          > > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                          > > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the
                          rest
                          > > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                          > holding
                          > > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our
                          treasurer
                          > > never showed.
                          >
                          > (R) Hold Elections then
                          >
                          > I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                          > > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                          > involvement
                          > > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                          > seen
                          > > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.
                          >
                          > (R) Big Brother eh? wink wink. A lot can happen when you are
                          > thousands of miles away.
                          > >
                          > > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                          > hrs
                          > > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that
                          people
                          > > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                          > the
                          > > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial
                          day
                          > > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                          > > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                          > made
                          > > by others so that people they have never met,
                          > can enjoy their beach
                          > > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                          >
                          > (R) You have done this for me? Darren now gets upwind (Below)
                          >
                          > >
                          > > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                          > for
                          > > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                          > your
                          > > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the
                          sport
                          > > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for
                          my
                          > > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                          > >
                          > > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                          > own
                          > > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association,
                          which
                          > > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this
                          sound
                          > > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which
                          local
                          > > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                          > most
                          > > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that
                          every
                          > > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                          > > sport into the next ten years and further.
                          > >
                          > > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                          > some
                          > > states willing to start putting things together in their local
                          area
                          > > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I
                          and
                          > > the committee members, I say thank you.
                          > >
                          > > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                          > > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                          > 70
                          > > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to
                          make
                          > > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                          > the
                          > > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                          >
                          > > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                          > committee
                          > > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                          > > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                          > > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                          >
                          > (R) Whats New, it's like our cricket club, but we are not whingeing.
                          > At least our Chairman doesn't own the Sports Shop.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                          effort.
                          >
                          > (R) To buy product from us.
                          >
                          > > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee
                          members
                          > > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                          > > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > MAHALO!
                          > >
                          > > Darren Marshall
                          > > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                          > > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                          >
                          > CHECKLIST Sec/Treasurer web site with competition with no T/C
                          permit
                          > Raffle on Reg premises no permit.
                          > Hope the Insurance deal has no similar oversights....
                          >
                          >
                          > Cheers,
                          > aruzer
                          >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                          > > > Yes Darren,
                          > > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                          > > > public sporting organisations, People
                          > > > in ownership or
                          > > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                          > > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                          > > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                          > > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                          > > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                          > > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                          > > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                          > > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                          > > > Chop chop.
                          > > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                          > > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                          > his
                          > > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                          > > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                          > > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is
                          a
                          > > > great
                          > > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                          > > > >
                          > > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke
                          to
                          > > you
                          > > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                          > > advised
                          > > > me
                          > > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess
                          I
                          > > have
                          > > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                          > > > >
                          > > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                          > > > respect
                          > > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                          > > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                          > has
                          > > > been
                          > > > > said.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > scott c
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
                          about
                          > > > Steve
                          > > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and
                          just
                          > > sit
                          > > > > back
                          > > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
                          bobs
                          > > > worth
                          > > > > in
                          > > > > > to right wrongs.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of
                          his
                          > > > > family,
                          > > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to
                          say
                          > > > G'Day
                          > > > > > and check out his stock.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy
                          store
                          > > and
                          > > > > yes,
                          > > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                          > > other
                          > > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                          > is
                          > > > > always
                          > > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                          > > there
                          > > > > and
                          > > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell
                          you
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
                          accessories
                          > > > than
                          > > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
                          and
                          > > > > several
                          > > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                          > > anyone
                          > > > > else
                          > > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                          > > > > compulsive
                          > > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                          > > crowd
                          > > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                          > Delta
                          > > > > with
                          > > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the
                          inflatable
                          > > > > dolphin
                          > > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                          > buy
                          > > a
                          > > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                          > months
                          > > > > ago,
                          > > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                          > good
                          > > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                          > than
                          > > > > that
                          > > > > > again.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                          > > > > kitesurfing,
                          > > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                          > > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction
                          to
                          > > > > further
                          > > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                          > get
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                          > more
                          > > > > > respect.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
                          Long
                          > > > Reef
                          > > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
                          kiting
                          > > for
                          > > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                          > you
                          > > > are
                          > > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
                          story.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > AKSA President in exile
                          > > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                          > > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                        • dave@machelp.com.au
                          Yo Drew, sounds like you might put your hand up for an AKSA position. Maybe a position as committee member for wakeboard moves. ;-) Seriously though, this
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                            Yo Drew, sounds like you might put your hand up for an AKSA position.
                            Maybe a position as committee member for wakeboard moves. ;-)

                            Seriously though, this issue has come come up before in my experience.
                            As a member of a number of sports, community and business groups, the
                            fact that I run businesses that can possibly be seen as a conflict of
                            interest in these groups when I take an executive position has caused a
                            problem with other members. This has at least once led to those
                            opposing my position to either leave the group or refuse to participate
                            in its operation.

                            From my perspective I would have been happy to support other capable
                            persons to make themselves available for election. But as often happens
                            there are few who wish to take on the positions on the executive of a
                            committee knowing there is work involved. It is often easier to
                            criticise the result than volunteer to work for changes you see as
                            worthwhile.

                            I constantly sought feedback to ensure that I didn't exploit my
                            position on the committee. However I must admit that by just being on
                            the executive was good for business. It gave me a higher profile and
                            publicity as well as making useful contacts I would otherwise not
                            easily made. But ultimately when the position became available at the
                            AGM I was re-elected which I believed was a vote of support that I was
                            fulfilling my obligations with due diligence.

                            However the conflict of interest issue never dies and is constantly
                            raised by those who disagree with the committee whether it is true or
                            not. Unfortunately it is the perception of conflict of interest that is
                            all that is needed to fuel the issue, not proof of its occurence. It
                            can lead to general disunity right through to formation of rival groups
                            all seeking the same members.

                            But in support of commercial executive members, such as myself in my
                            organisations and the many of the AKSA committee, they often have more
                            incentive to perform than the average member as their livelihoods are
                            more dependent on the success of the sport and its access to venues.
                            They also tend to have extensive and varied business knowledge which is
                            an essential component in running a not for profit organisation
                            nowadays. (At least that's the case in Australia!) It would be ideal if
                            our organisations had executive members who were competent lawyers,
                            accountants, company directors etc but that's usually wishful thinking
                            and just filling the main committee positions can be such a struggle
                            that sometimes two positions have to be filled by one person.

                            I'm sure that the AKSA and other similar organisations have the
                            required mechanisms for dispute resolution by members. And Internet
                            groups such as this certainly give the opportunity for greivances to be
                            aired.

                            However if you are would rather just complain than put your hand up to
                            do the work of an executive member or offer some equally valued service
                            to the organisation, don't expect a great deal of respect.

                            Anyway have fun kitesurfing and yes we are short of wind in Australia
                            so expect us to be a bit terse at the moment :-)

                            Dave (Dr Surf Australia 02 4443 7665) COM

                            --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemanic@y... wrote:
                            > Yo Steve, sounds like you got some professional computer-kite-
                            > slanderer-nerds on your ass! Well you said you wouldnt get caught up
                            > in this stuff after the last thread, so let's see you do just that.
                            > Like you said they're just trolling, obviously.
                            > lates,
                            > DREW
                            >
                            > aruzer, very warrior like name, must be tuff! :P
                            > if aruzer put half as much energy into writing funny posts then he'd
                            > probably be able to surpass tODD with ease...
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                            > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                            > > > Aloha Aruzer,(Reply)Hi Darren
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally
                            > a
                            > > > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                            > > > office in a public association.
                            > >
                            > > (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it.
                            > >
                            > > Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve
                            > > posted..Instructions to Shut UP, from him
                            > > not even the President. It looked hostile ..(brazen? Confident?
                            > > Obviously he is in Total Control of the AKSA) and sadly you have
                            > > allowed yourselves to become comprimised, complicit, and to accept
                            > > the untoward situation because.........
                            > >
                            > > it's convenient,better to have something...... than nothing.
                            > >
                            > > Kinda like Like The reaction you get from a guy with from a
                            > beautiful
                            > > wife he wants to keep when he tries to justiy her sleeping
                            > > around. "Look !! She
                            > > keeps the house clean. I don't have to do it and it allows me more
                            > > time to kitesurf...." How dare you bring that up. We're not
                            > supposed
                            > > to talk about that... or when you're caught in a gay pub by your
                            > mates
                            > > because " I went to school with him"
                            > >
                            > > I'd hoped for something more honest than a hostile reply, may be
                            > > something like.. "yeah it's not good is it? We made a mistake but
                            > > that's only a short term appointment till we get the AKSA up and
                            > > running to a level where it can be squeaky clean." Just give us
                            > time."
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > (R)Please tell me I'm wrong?
                            > > >
                            > > > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the
                            > committee
                            > > > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago.
                            > I
                            > > > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                            > > > being on the committee.
                            > >
                            > > >(R)None ever should
                            > >
                            > > > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with
                            > the
                            > > > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that
                            > we
                            > > > would allow these exceptions.
                            > >
                            > > (R)WRONG nice atmosphere,nice guys,keen to get anything going so
                            > you
                            > > comprimise your principles... Better to have waited and found 6
                            > > other members. Not every member is in business surely !!!! The
                            > > groundwork for the AKSA deserved better than that.
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                            > > from
                            > > > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                            > > interest
                            > > > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw
                            > the
                            > > > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                            > > off
                            > > > the ground.
                            > >
                            > > (R)Oh That was in 2000 BK (Before Kitesurfing) None existed before
                            > > then?
                            > > Ian and others had in fact done quite a lot.True?
                            > >
                            > > (R) Guys from WA were not even invited to Attend.
                            > > Maybe the name should be "The AKSA (Except WA) Inc.
                            > >
                            > > There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                            > > > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great
                            > policy
                            > > we
                            > > > currently enjoy. (And pay for)
                            > >
                            > > (R) Could have been contracted out to Steve, He would still have
                            > done
                            > > it I'm sure even if he wasn't the Sec/Treasurer ????
                            > > >
                            > > > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                            > > > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we
                            > were
                            > > > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION,
                            > nothing
                            > > > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no
                            > one
                            > > > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                            > > for
                            > > > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene
                            > would
                            > > > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities,
                            > like
                            > > > the Victorian Waterways incident.
                            > >
                            > > (R)
                            > > In dealing with organisations like waterways you should declare
                            > > whether you are a public organisation of just a group of self
                            > seeking
                            > > businesmen. Of course that isn't the case but if it is you should
                            > > disband your articles of Association (You have them) and reregister
                            > > as a private company.
                            > >
                            > > Ie. We would be a joke
                            > > > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                            > > most
                            > > > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                            > > world.
                            > >
                            > > (R) respect is something that is acheived not assumed. You will
                            > take
                            > > this matter in hand and fix it. You can hardly sweep it under the
                            > > carpet or be told to "Shut up about it" Then you will have
                            > > credibility.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                            > > > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                            > > > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke
                            > to
                            > > > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our
                            > progress
                            > > > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                            > > > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                            > > up
                            > > > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised,
                            > and
                            > > > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                            > > his
                            > > > job!
                            > >
                            > > > (R)Go Go eric, Standard Reply (the Commercial) follows below
                            > from
                            > > Darren
                            > >
                            > > > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the
                            > hard
                            > > > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                            > > > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the
                            > rest
                            > > > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                            > > holding
                            > > > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our
                            > treasurer
                            > > > never showed.
                            > >
                            > > (R) Hold Elections then
                            > >
                            > > I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                            > > > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                            > > involvement
                            > > > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                            > > seen
                            > > > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.
                            > >
                            > > (R) Big Brother eh? wink wink. A lot can happen when you are
                            > > thousands of miles away.
                            > > >
                            > > > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                            > > hrs
                            > > > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that
                            > people
                            > > > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                            > > the
                            > > > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial
                            > day
                            > > > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                            > > > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                            > > made
                            > > > by others so that people they have never met,
                            > > can enjoy their beach
                            > > > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                            > >
                            > > (R) You have done this for me? Darren now gets upwind (Below)
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                            > > for
                            > > > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                            > > your
                            > > > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the
                            > sport
                            > > > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for
                            > my
                            > > > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                            > > >
                            > > > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                            > > own
                            > > > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association,
                            > which
                            > > > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this
                            > sound
                            > > > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which
                            > local
                            > > > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                            > > most
                            > > > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that
                            > every
                            > > > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                            > > > sport into the next ten years and further.
                            > > >
                            > > > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                            > > some
                            > > > states willing to start putting things together in their local
                            > area
                            > > > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I
                            > and
                            > > > the committee members, I say thank you.
                            > > >
                            > > > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                            > > > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                            > > 70
                            > > > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to
                            > make
                            > > > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                            > > the
                            > > > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                            > >
                            > > > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                            > > committee
                            > > > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                            > > > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                            > > > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                            > >
                            > > (R) Whats New, it's like our cricket club, but we are not whingeing.
                            > > At least our Chairman doesn't own the Sports Shop.
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                            > effort.
                            > >
                            > > (R) To buy product from us.
                            > >
                            > > > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee
                            > members
                            > > > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                            > > > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > MAHALO!
                            > > >
                            > > > Darren Marshall
                            > > > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                            > > > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                            > >
                            > > CHECKLIST Sec/Treasurer web site with competition with no T/C
                            > permit
                            > > Raffle on Reg premises no permit.
                            > > Hope the Insurance deal has no similar oversights....
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Cheers,
                            > > aruzer
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                            > > > > Yes Darren,
                            > > > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                            > > > > public sporting organisations, People
                            > > > > in ownership or
                            > > > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                            > > > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                            > > > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                            > > > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                            > > > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                            > > > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                            > > > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                            > > > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                            > > > > Chop chop.
                            > > > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                            > > > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                            > > his
                            > > > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                            > > > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                            > > > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is
                            > a
                            > > > > great
                            > > > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke
                            > to
                            > > > you
                            > > > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                            > > > advised
                            > > > > me
                            > > > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess
                            > I
                            > > > have
                            > > > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                            > > > > respect
                            > > > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                            > > > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                            > > has
                            > > > > been
                            > > > > > said.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > scott c
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
                            > about
                            > > > > Steve
                            > > > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and
                            > just
                            > > > sit
                            > > > > > back
                            > > > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
                            > bobs
                            > > > > worth
                            > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > to right wrongs.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of
                            > his
                            > > > > > family,
                            > > > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to
                            > say
                            > > > > G'Day
                            > > > > > > and check out his stock.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy
                            > store
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > yes,
                            > > > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                            > > > other
                            > > > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                            > > is
                            > > > > > always
                            > > > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                            > > > there
                            > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell
                            > you
                            > > > > that
                            > > > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
                            > accessories
                            > > > > than
                            > > > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
                            > and
                            > > > > > several
                            > > > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                            > > > anyone
                            > > > > > else
                            > > > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                            > > > > > compulsive
                            > > > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                            > > > crowd
                            > > > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                            > > Delta
                            > > > > > with
                            > > > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the
                            > inflatable
                            > > > > > dolphin
                            > > > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                            > > buy
                            > > > a
                            > > > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                            > > months
                            > > > > > ago,
                            > > > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                            > > good
                            > > > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                            > > than
                            > > > > > that
                            > > > > > > again.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                            > > > > > kitesurfing,
                            > > > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                            > > > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction
                            > to
                            > > > > > further
                            > > > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                            > > get
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                            > > more
                            > > > > > > respect.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
                            > Long
                            > > > > Reef
                            > > > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
                            > kiting
                            > > > for
                            > > > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                            > > you
                            > > > > are
                            > > > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
                            > story.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > AKSA President in exile
                            > > > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                            > > > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                          • Greg Walsh
                            Commercial operator not allowed to be office bearers in associations? What a concept. We d better tell the board of the HGFA and the GFA and just about every
                            Message 13 of 16 , Jul 1, 2001
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                              Commercial operator not allowed to be office bearers in associations?
                              What a concept. We'd better tell the board of the HGFA and the GFA
                              and just about every other sporting association in Oz to resign.

                              Pity. I'm certainly not going to volunteer to do committee work. I
                              just pay my membership, get my insurance and t-shirt and get on with
                              doing what I want to do. If a commercial operator wants to do all the
                              work good for them. I can't think of anyone better qualified to run
                              an association than someone who's living may be directly related to
                              the success of the venture. Hunger and mortagages really focus the
                              mind don't you think? Keep up the good work, don't rip us off and
                              don't fuck up. If you do we'll exact the ultimate revenge. We'll
                              ignore you and go kitesurfing.
                            • darrenthepres@hotmail.com
                              Hey Aruzer, I m sorry, I knew the wind situation in Australia was desperate, but jeez, I had no idea it had become so bad. I recommend taking two asprin and
                              Message 14 of 16 , Jul 1, 2001
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                                Hey Aruzer,

                                I'm sorry, I knew the wind situation in Australia was desperate, but
                                jeez, I had no idea it had become so bad.

                                I recommend taking two asprin and getting a flight to somewhere windy
                                and spend a few days kiting, then come see me again if your pain
                                doesn't go away.

                                At least if you take the trip, our pain will go away. ;~)

                                I pray for wind for you,

                                Darren Marshall
                                President AKSA

                                (This is my final post on this thread)






                                --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                                > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                                > > Aloha Aruzer,(Reply)Hi Darren
                                > >
                                > > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct, normally
                                a
                                > > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                                > > office in a public association.
                                >
                                > (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it.
                                >
                                > Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve
                                > posted..Instructions to Shut UP, from him
                                > not even the President. It looked hostile ..(brazen? Confident?
                                > Obviously he is in Total Control of the AKSA) and sadly you have
                                > allowed yourselves to become comprimised, complicit, and to accept
                                > the untoward situation because.........
                                >
                                > it's convenient,better to have something...... than nothing.
                                >
                                > Kinda like Like The reaction you get from a guy with from a
                                beautiful
                                > wife he wants to keep when he tries to justiy her sleeping
                                > around. "Look !! She
                                > keeps the house clean. I don't have to do it and it allows me more
                                > time to kitesurf...." How dare you bring that up. We're not
                                supposed
                                > to talk about that... or when you're caught in a gay pub by your
                                mates
                                > because " I went to school with him"
                                >
                                > I'd hoped for something more honest than a hostile reply, may be
                                > something like.. "yeah it's not good is it? We made a mistake but
                                > that's only a short term appointment till we get the AKSA up and
                                > running to a level where it can be squeaky clean." Just give us
                                time."
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > (R)Please tell me I'm wrong?
                                > >
                                > > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the
                                committee
                                > > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year ago.
                                I
                                > > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial interests
                                > > being on the committee.
                                >
                                > >(R)None ever should
                                >
                                > > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with
                                the
                                > > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously, that
                                we
                                > > would allow these exceptions.
                                >
                                > (R)WRONG nice atmosphere,nice guys,keen to get anything going so
                                you
                                > comprimise your principles... Better to have waited and found 6
                                > other members. Not every member is in business surely !!!! The
                                > groundwork for the AKSA deserved better than that.
                                >
                                > >
                                > > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of members
                                > from
                                > > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                                > interest
                                > > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw
                                the
                                > > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up and
                                > off
                                > > the ground.
                                >
                                > (R)Oh That was in 2000 BK (Before Kitesurfing) None existed before
                                > then?
                                > Ian and others had in fact done quite a lot.True?
                                >
                                > (R) Guys from WA were not even invited to Attend.
                                > Maybe the name should be "The AKSA (Except WA) Inc.
                                >
                                > There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                                > > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great
                                policy
                                > we
                                > > currently enjoy. (And pay for)
                                >
                                > (R) Could have been contracted out to Steve, He would still have
                                done
                                > it I'm sure even if he wasn't the Sec/Treasurer ????
                                > >
                                > > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have commercial
                                > > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we
                                were
                                > > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION,
                                nothing
                                > > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no
                                one
                                > > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum requirements
                                > for
                                > > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene
                                would
                                > > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities,
                                like
                                > > the Victorian Waterways incident.
                                >
                                > (R)
                                > In dealing with organisations like waterways you should declare
                                > whether you are a public organisation of just a group of self
                                seeking
                                > businesmen. Of course that isn't the case but if it is you should
                                > disband your articles of Association (You have them) and reregister
                                > as a private company.
                                >
                                > Ie. We would be a joke
                                > > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is the
                                > most
                                > > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                                > world.
                                >
                                > (R) respect is something that is acheived not assumed. You will
                                take
                                > this matter in hand and fix it. You can hardly sweep it under the
                                > carpet or be told to "Shut up about it" Then you will have
                                > credibility.
                                >
                                >
                                > > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty, after
                                > > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                                > > Association) who believed they were well organised until I spoke
                                to
                                > > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our
                                progress
                                > > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from Wipika
                                > > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in setting
                                > up
                                > > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised,
                                and
                                > > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools as
                                > his
                                > > job!
                                >
                                > > (R)Go Go eric, Standard Reply (the Commercial) follows below
                                from
                                > Darren
                                >
                                > > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the
                                hard
                                > > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge or
                                > > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the
                                rest
                                > > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                                > holding
                                > > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our
                                treasurer
                                > > never showed.
                                >
                                > (R) Hold Elections then
                                >
                                > I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                                > > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                                > involvement
                                > > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                                > seen
                                > > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as President.
                                >
                                > (R) Big Brother eh? wink wink. A lot can happen when you are
                                > thousands of miles away.
                                > >
                                > > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around 3
                                > hrs
                                > > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that
                                people
                                > > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is just
                                > the
                                > > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial
                                day
                                > > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities, and
                                > > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                                > made
                                > > by others so that people they have never met,
                                > can enjoy their beach
                                > > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                                >
                                > (R) You have done this for me? Darren now gets upwind (Below)
                                >
                                > >
                                > > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you done
                                > for
                                > > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                                > your
                                > > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the
                                sport
                                > > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for
                                my
                                > > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                                > >
                                > > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run their
                                > own
                                > > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association,
                                which
                                > > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this
                                sound
                                > > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which
                                local
                                > > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                                > most
                                > > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that
                                every
                                > > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push the
                                > > sport into the next ten years and further.
                                > >
                                > > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals in
                                > some
                                > > states willing to start putting things together in their local
                                area
                                > > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I
                                and
                                > > the committee members, I say thank you.
                                > >
                                > > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                                > > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE from
                                > 70
                                > > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to
                                make
                                > > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This shows
                                > the
                                > > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing community.
                                >
                                > > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                                > committee
                                > > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the committees
                                > > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of interest?
                                > > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                                >
                                > (R) Whats New, it's like our cricket club, but we are not whingeing.
                                > At least our Chairman doesn't own the Sports Shop.
                                > >
                                > > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                                effort.
                                >
                                > (R) To buy product from us.
                                >
                                > > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee
                                members
                                > > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                                > > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > MAHALO!
                                > >
                                > > Darren Marshall
                                > > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                                > > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                                >
                                > CHECKLIST Sec/Treasurer web site with competition with no T/C
                                permit
                                > Raffle on Reg premises no permit.
                                > Hope the Insurance deal has no similar oversights....
                                >
                                >
                                > Cheers,
                                > aruzer
                                >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                                > > > Yes Darren,
                                > > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                                > > > public sporting organisations, People
                                > > > in ownership or
                                > > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                                > > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                                > > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                                > > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                                > > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                                > > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                                > > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                                > > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                                > > > Chop chop.
                                > > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                                > > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot of
                                > his
                                > > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                                > > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                                > > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he is
                                a
                                > > > great
                                > > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                                > > > >
                                > > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke
                                to
                                > > you
                                > > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                                > > advised
                                > > > me
                                > > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I guess
                                I
                                > > have
                                > > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                                > > > >
                                > > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn the
                                > > > respect
                                > > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends at
                                > > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back what
                                > has
                                > > > been
                                > > > > said.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > scott c
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
                                about
                                > > > Steve
                                > > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and
                                just
                                > > sit
                                > > > > back
                                > > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
                                bobs
                                > > > worth
                                > > > > in
                                > > > > > to right wrongs.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of
                                his
                                > > > > family,
                                > > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to
                                say
                                > > > G'Day
                                > > > > > and check out his stock.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy
                                store
                                > > and
                                > > > > yes,
                                > > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host of
                                > > other
                                > > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's store
                                > is
                                > > > > always
                                > > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been in
                                > > there
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell
                                you
                                > > > that
                                > > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
                                accessories
                                > > > than
                                > > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
                                and
                                > > > > several
                                > > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                                > > anyone
                                > > > > else
                                > > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                                > > > > compulsive
                                > > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain a
                                > > crowd
                                > > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                                > Delta
                                > > > > with
                                > > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the
                                inflatable
                                > > > > dolphin
                                > > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person to
                                > buy
                                > > a
                                > > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                                > months
                                > > > > ago,
                                > > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was my
                                > good
                                > > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months earlier
                                > than
                                > > > > that
                                > > > > > again.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                                > > > > kitesurfing,
                                > > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other dedicated
                                > > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction
                                to
                                > > > > further
                                > > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve, maybe
                                > get
                                > > > to
                                > > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have some
                                > more
                                > > > > > respect.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
                                Long
                                > > > Reef
                                > > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
                                kiting
                                > > for
                                > > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef, but
                                > you
                                > > > are
                                > > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
                                story.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > AKSA President in exile
                                > > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                                > > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                              • aruzer@yahoo.com
                                Darren, Well that s right. No doubt you and the guys having had that situation brought to your attention will work to attract new members from a non business
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                                  Darren,
                                  Well that's right. No doubt you and the guys having had
                                  that situation brought to your attention will work
                                  to attract
                                  new members from a non business background.
                                  I would suggest you extend your committee to 12
                                  (appoint 6 Non Biz 6 Biz (healthy Mix)
                                  That's 4 more committee members. I also think that
                                  it should be the AKANZ.)Why not open and extend membership to
                                  New Zealanders?
                                  Could be good
                                  aruzer





                                  --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                                  > Hey Aruzer,
                                  >
                                  > I'm sorry, I knew the wind situation in Australia was desperate,
                                  but
                                  > jeez, I had no idea it had become so bad.
                                  >
                                  > I recommend taking two asprin and getting a flight to somewhere
                                  windy
                                  > and spend a few days kiting, then come see me again if your pain
                                  > doesn't go away.
                                  >
                                  > At least if you take the trip, our pain will go away. ;~)
                                  >
                                  > I pray for wind for you,
                                  >
                                  > Darren Marshall
                                  > President AKSA
                                  >
                                  > (This is my final post on this thread)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                                  > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                                  > > > Aloha Aruzer,(Reply)Hi Darren
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks for bringing this up mate. Yes you are correct,
                                  normally
                                  > a
                                  > > > person with commercial interests is usually barred from holding
                                  > > > office in a public association.
                                  > >
                                  > > (Reply from Aruzer) That is correct.Well DO Something about it.
                                  > >
                                  > > Most people would do the walk of shame..But look what Steve
                                  > > posted..Instructions to Shut UP, from him
                                  > > not even the President. It looked hostile ..(brazen? Confident?
                                  > > Obviously he is in Total Control of the AKSA) and sadly you have
                                  > > allowed yourselves to become comprimised, complicit, and to
                                  accept
                                  > > the untoward situation because.........
                                  > >
                                  > > it's convenient,better to have something...... than nothing.
                                  > >
                                  > > Kinda like Like The reaction you get from a guy with from a
                                  > beautiful
                                  > > wife he wants to keep when he tries to justiy her sleeping
                                  > > around. "Look !! She
                                  > > keeps the house clean. I don't have to do it and it allows me more
                                  > > time to kitesurf...." How dare you bring that up. We're not
                                  > supposed
                                  > > to talk about that... or when you're caught in a gay pub by your
                                  > mates
                                  > > because " I went to school with him"
                                  > >
                                  > > I'd hoped for something more honest than a hostile reply, may be
                                  > > something like.. "yeah it's not good is it? We made a mistake but
                                  > > that's only a short term appointment till we get the AKSA up and
                                  > > running to a level where it can be squeaky clean." Just give us
                                  > time."
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > (R)Please tell me I'm wrong?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > This was brought up at the First General Meeting when the
                                  > committee
                                  > > > was elected at the Georges River Sailing Club almost a year
                                  ago.
                                  > I
                                  > > > had very strong concerns about persons with commercial
                                  interests
                                  > > > being on the committee.
                                  > >
                                  > > >(R)None ever should
                                  > >
                                  > > > During the election of the committee, I raised this point with
                                  > the
                                  > > > members who sat in and voted and it was agreed unanimously,
                                  that
                                  > we
                                  > > > would allow these exceptions.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R)WRONG nice atmosphere,nice guys,keen to get anything going so
                                  > you
                                  > > comprimise your principles... Better to have waited and found 6
                                  > > other members. Not every member is in business surely !!!! The
                                  > > groundwork for the AKSA deserved better than that.
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Now let me tell you, when I first took over the group of
                                  members
                                  > > from
                                  > > > Ian Young some 16 or 18 months ago, there was NO support, NO
                                  > > interest
                                  > > > and NO help from anyone but a few dedicated individuals who saw
                                  > the
                                  > > > importance of getting a solid, proffessional, association up
                                  and
                                  > > off
                                  > > > the ground.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R)Oh That was in 2000 BK (Before Kitesurfing) None existed
                                  before
                                  > > then?
                                  > > Ian and others had in fact done quite a lot.True?
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) Guys from WA were not even invited to Attend.
                                  > > Maybe the name should be "The AKSA (Except WA) Inc.
                                  > >
                                  > > There was a clear, dire need to gain PL insurance, and
                                  > > > all the committee pulled hard together to acheive the great
                                  > policy
                                  > > we
                                  > > > currently enjoy. (And pay for)
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) Could have been contracted out to Steve, He would still have
                                  > done
                                  > > it I'm sure even if he wasn't the Sec/Treasurer ????
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The committee is made up of 8 persons, 6 of whom have
                                  commercial
                                  > > > interests in the sport including myself with my school. If we
                                  > were
                                  > > > all to vacate the positions, there would be NO ASSOCIATION,
                                  > nothing
                                  > > > would get done, you wouldn't have insurance, there would be no
                                  > one
                                  > > > working on a judging format, contest format, minimum
                                  requirements
                                  > > for
                                  > > > schools and instructors, and the Australian Kitesurfing scene
                                  > would
                                  > > > be a lost sport when it came to dealing with the authorities,
                                  > like
                                  > > > the Victorian Waterways incident.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R)
                                  > > In dealing with organisations like waterways you should declare
                                  > > whether you are a public organisation of just a group of self
                                  > seeking
                                  > > businesmen. Of course that isn't the case but if it is you should
                                  > > disband your articles of Association (You have them) and
                                  reregister
                                  > > as a private company.
                                  > >
                                  > > Ie. We would be a joke
                                  > > > internationally. As it stands, to my knowledge, the AKSA is
                                  the
                                  > > most
                                  > > > proffessional, most organised association of it's type in the
                                  > > world.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) respect is something that is acheived not assumed. You will
                                  > take
                                  > > this matter in hand and fix it. You can hardly sweep it under the
                                  > > carpet or be told to "Shut up about it" Then you will have
                                  > > credibility.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > I can make this statement with a fair amount of certainty,
                                  after
                                  > > > speaking with the President of the HKA (Hawaiian Kitesurfing
                                  > > > Association) who believed they were well organised until I
                                  spoke
                                  > to
                                  > > > them about what we had done in Oz, they were amazed at our
                                  > progress
                                  > > > and organisation. Also impressed was Eric Beaudonnat from
                                  Wipika
                                  > > > when he visited us in January, he was trying to assist in
                                  setting
                                  > > up
                                  > > > a worldwide association and found we were also most organised,
                                  > and
                                  > > > Eric travels the world dealing with aassociations and schools
                                  as
                                  > > his
                                  > > > job!
                                  > >
                                  > > > (R)Go Go eric, Standard Reply (the Commercial) follows below
                                  > from
                                  > > Darren
                                  > >
                                  > > > People like you who sit back, doing nothing but criticise the
                                  > hard
                                  > > > working efforts of others, because you have a personal grudge
                                  or
                                  > > > whatever, really should be ashamed of yourself. Steve and the
                                  > rest
                                  > > > of the committee work tirelessly on the AKSA. Steve also is
                                  > > holding
                                  > > > down two positions, (Secretary and Treasurer) because our
                                  > treasurer
                                  > > > never showed.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) Hold Elections then
                                  > >
                                  > > I have been watching out for all kitesurfers to ensure
                                  > > > that there is no bias, or commercial gain coming from the
                                  > > involvement
                                  > > > of those in office who have comm. interests, and to date I have
                                  > > seen
                                  > > > nothing which would cause me concern, during my time as
                                  President.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) Big Brother eh? wink wink. A lot can happen when you are
                                  > > thousands of miles away.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Do you know that each and every committee member devotes around
                                  3
                                  > > hrs
                                  > > > of their own personal time, to meetings EVERY WEEK, so that
                                  > people
                                  > > > like you can enjoy the benefits of their work? This time is
                                  just
                                  > > the
                                  > > > time for meetings. Steve also takes time out of his commercial
                                  > day
                                  > > > to go to the bank, run errands, visit government authorities,
                                  and
                                  > > > along with Paul C, made a trip to Victoria to sort out the mess
                                  > > made
                                  > > > by others so that people they have never met,
                                  > > can enjoy their beach
                                  > > > access, in places where they never kitesurf.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) You have done this for me? Darren now gets upwind (Below)
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You and people like you really make me angry. What have you
                                  done
                                  > > for
                                  > > > the sport of kitesurfing? I don't recall seeing you putting up
                                  > > your
                                  > > > hand at any meetings to devote your personal time to help the
                                  > sport
                                  > > > grow in a controlled and proffessional manner. I apologise for
                                  > my
                                  > > > unproffessional outburst, but see it from our point of view.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > We are putting together state chapters, which can then run
                                  their
                                  > > own
                                  > > > affairs and we can then bow out of the national association,
                                  > which
                                  > > > will be made up of spokespersons from each state. Does this
                                  > sound
                                  > > > fair to you? Each state chapter will be the group unto which
                                  > local
                                  > > > clubs will join to speak about their local issues. This is the
                                  > > most
                                  > > > unbiased and democratic structure we can put together so that
                                  > every
                                  > > > persons voice is heard and the structure is in place to push
                                  the
                                  > > > sport into the next ten years and further.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > We do have strong support from a small handful of individuals
                                  in
                                  > > some
                                  > > > states willing to start putting things together in their local
                                  > area
                                  > > > to get the new structure off the ground, and to these people I
                                  > and
                                  > > > the committee members, I say thank you.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Let me also tell you, 12 months ago when I used to send out the
                                  > > > newsletter to all members via email, I would get NO RESPONSE
                                  from
                                  > > 70
                                  > > > recipients, even after a call to respond with a reply, just to
                                  > make
                                  > > > sure my email was working I would get 1 or 2 replies. This
                                  shows
                                  > > the
                                  > > > general level of apathy in the Australian kitesurfing
                                  community.
                                  > >
                                  > > > Typical, no one says a word or lifts a finger to help, the
                                  > > committee
                                  > > > work hard and then those that enjoy the fruits of the
                                  committees
                                  > > > labour sit around whinging and accusing of conflict of
                                  interest?
                                  > > > Wake up to yourself. Now who's credability is looking shaky?
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) Whats New, it's like our cricket club, but we are not
                                  whingeing.
                                  > > At least our Chairman doesn't own the Sports Shop.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks and sorry to all the persons who do care and make an
                                  > effort.
                                  > >
                                  > > (R) To buy product from us.
                                  > >
                                  > > > My personal thanks also go out to my fellow AKSA committee
                                  > members
                                  > > > who are at home in the cold, not kitesurfing and still working
                                  > > > tirelessly in my absence. My hat is off to you blokes.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > MAHALO!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Darren Marshall
                                  > > > Founding President, Australian Kite Surfing Association.
                                  > > > And Owner Operator of Australian Kiteboarding School
                                  > >
                                  > > CHECKLIST Sec/Treasurer web site with competition with no T/C
                                  > permit
                                  > > Raffle on Reg premises no permit.
                                  > > Hope the Insurance deal has no similar oversights....
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Cheers,
                                  > > aruzer
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., aruzer@y... wrote:
                                  > > > > Yes Darren,
                                  > > > > But the AKSA has a credibility problem.In Australian
                                  > > > > public sporting organisations, People
                                  > > > > in ownership or
                                  > > > > with a vested interest in a commercial business selling
                                  > > > > equipment are normally barred from public office.
                                  > > > > Is he AKSA Secretary?
                                  > > > > It's not that Steve may be a top guy or the best man for the
                                  > > > > job, it's just that people will say he could use his influence
                                  > > > > as secretary for contacts for product sales.
                                  > > > > Didn't anyone think about this when you elected him?
                                  > > > > Look what happens to politicians with a vested interest.
                                  > > > > Chop chop.
                                  > > > > From what I've seen of him on this board he is an honest man
                                  > > > > and certainly isn't a guy who would sell kites from the boot
                                  of
                                  > > his
                                  > > > > car. I'm sorry, In most organisations people who sell product
                                  > > > > distance themselves from public organisations.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., kitemaster26@y... wrote:
                                  > > > > > great to hear what you have to say about steve ,Im sure he
                                  is
                                  > a
                                  > > > > great
                                  > > > > > kite flyer after all he does own a kite/toy shop..
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > But I have not said one word of a lie I have actually spoke
                                  > to
                                  > > > you
                                  > > > > > about a kite I was looking to buy of kitepower ,you totaly
                                  > > > advised
                                  > > > > me
                                  > > > > > again'st it & said its not the right kite for me ,so I
                                  guess
                                  > I
                                  > > > have
                                  > > > > > you to thank for that.. thanks dude!!
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > But really who is the lier here & really who has to earn
                                  the
                                  > > > > respect
                                  > > > > > back after slagging off about bullshit to my good friends
                                  at
                                  > > > > > longreef ,the damage has been done & you cant take back
                                  what
                                  > > has
                                  > > > > been
                                  > > > > > said.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > scott c
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In kitesurf@y..., darrenthepres@h... wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Aloha Scott C,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Ive been casually reading your postings and slanderings
                                  > about
                                  > > > > Steve
                                  > > > > > > and Kitepower. Now, I wasn't going to get involved and
                                  > just
                                  > > > sit
                                  > > > > > back
                                  > > > > > > and chuckle over your BS, but finally I must throw my 2
                                  > bobs
                                  > > > > worth
                                  > > > > > in
                                  > > > > > > to right wrongs.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I have known Steve for about eighteen months, and some of
                                  > his
                                  > > > > > family,
                                  > > > > > > and I drop into the Kitepower store from time to time to
                                  > say
                                  > > > > G'Day
                                  > > > > > > and check out his stock.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I can tell you that Steve does have a Mickey Mouse toy
                                  > store
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > > yes,
                                  > > > > > > he actually does sell rubber chickens, and a whole host
                                  of
                                  > > > other
                                  > > > > > > gross/interesting/quirky toys and novelties. Steve's
                                  store
                                  > > is
                                  > > > > > always
                                  > > > > > > busy with customers, I don't think that I have ever been
                                  in
                                  > > > there
                                  > > > > > and
                                  > > > > > > not seen anyone buying/browsing.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > The Kite side is a whole different matter, and I can tell
                                  > you
                                  > > > > that
                                  > > > > > > Steve stocks more brands, and has more boards and
                                  > accessories
                                  > > > > than
                                  > > > > > > any other shop I have been to. He sells foils, and sleds
                                  > and
                                  > > > > > several
                                  > > > > > > brands of each for his customers to chose from.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I would say that Steve knows more about kite surfing than
                                  > > > anyone
                                  > > > > > else
                                  > > > > > > in the country, and this is due to his fanatic obsessive,
                                  > > > > > compulsive
                                  > > > > > > addiction to power kites and stunt kites.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > You have obviously never seen Steve kitesurf or entertain
                                  a
                                  > > > crowd
                                  > > > > > > with his big stunt kites and long tails or his flying the
                                  > > Delta
                                  > > > > > with
                                  > > > > > > 100 foot tail at Dixon Park beach with Jeremy the
                                  > inflatable
                                  > > > > > dolphin
                                  > > > > > > gaffer taped to the end of the tail.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Scott C, you are a liar also, as I was the second person
                                  to
                                  > > buy
                                  > > > a
                                  > > > > > > kite from Long Reef in Sydney and that was over eighteen
                                  > > months
                                  > > > > > ago,
                                  > > > > > > before they even started stocking kites. The first was
                                  my
                                  > > good
                                  > > > > > > friend Paul C, who bought his kite some six months
                                  earlier
                                  > > than
                                  > > > > > that
                                  > > > > > > again.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Steve devotes his time and his life to kitesurfers, and
                                  > > > > > kitesurfing,
                                  > > > > > > his after hours time along with a group of other
                                  dedicated
                                  > > > > > > individuals, is spent driving AKSA in the right direction
                                  > to
                                  > > > > > further
                                  > > > > > > everyones enjoyment and safety of the sport.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > I suggest you turn your spite into support for Steve,
                                  maybe
                                  > > get
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > > know him and his quirky ways and maybe you would have
                                  some
                                  > > more
                                  > > > > > > respect.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > By the way, in case you are wondering, I am sponsored by
                                  > Long
                                  > > > > Reef
                                  > > > > > > Sailboards and have been sponsored in windsurfing and
                                  > kiting
                                  > > > for
                                  > > > > > > around three years, and I owe many thanks to Long Reef,
                                  but
                                  > > you
                                  > > > > are
                                  > > > > > > way outa line and I felt you needed another side of the
                                  > story.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Mahalo for taking the time to read.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Best WInds and waves,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > AKSA President in exile
                                  > > > > > > Australian Kiteboarding School Owner
                                  > > > > > > and Long Reef Sponsored Sailor
                                • TIM MELLOR
                                  Dear Mr RUZER, stop trying to stir the pot, do the smart thing at the next AGM and get you and all of your good mates to stand against the EVIL commercial
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                                    Dear Mr RUZER,

                                    stop trying to stir the pot, do the smart thing at the next AGM and get you
                                    and all of your good mates to stand against the EVIL commercial sponsors and
                                    promoters of Kitesurfing in this Country. When you have suckseeded in your
                                    attempt then try and approach the same people for sponsorship and see how
                                    far you get!!!! I think you will find over time even though it may have been
                                    instigated and run by commercial interests others will eventually finish up
                                    running it, we have enough to do in running a business! Just out of interest
                                    who are you really? Are you a commercial operator in disguise just beating
                                    up your competition?

                                    Regards :-)))

                                    Tim Mellor
                                    Kite-House

                                    PS The wind here also SUCKS big time 1-3 Knots.

                                    > Message: 25
                                    > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:41:29 -0000
                                    > From: aruzer@...
                                    > Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest : Secretary Position AKSA
                                    >
                                    > Darren,
                                    > Well that's right. No doubt you and the guys having had
                                    > that situation brought to your attention will work
                                    > to attract
                                    > new members from a non business background.
                                    > I would suggest you extend your committee to 12
                                    > (appoint 6 Non Biz 6 Biz (healthy Mix)
                                    > That's 4 more committee members. I also think that
                                    > it should be the AKANZ.)Why not open and extend membership to
                                    > New Zealanders?
                                    > Could be good
                                    > aruzer
                                    >
                                    >
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