Re: [ksurf] different idea of size comparison Cabrina/Naish!!!
- Raul F Argilagos <offdalip@...> writes:
> Hi Mel, I believe the cabrinha chart doesn't indicate that they are equalBut YOU just said the 9.4 was in between the power of an 11.5 & a 13.5
> size just in power for the same wind.
Not size, but power?! Are we looking at the same chart? I'm at
http://www.cabrinakites.com/sizechart.html It mentions "size" not only in
the address, but also TEN times on the chart itself. "Surface Area" is also
mentioned twice. Not once does it mention power. It is a size chart, which
incorrectly shows the 9.4 equal to the 11.5 (which would also be an
inaccurate representation of power, according to what you wrote previously).
> You can't say exactly equal to thisI would agree completely IF that chart was presented as a POWER comparison.
> or that, you have to use the chart as a rough guide because of so many
> variables in rider weight, gustiness, board used, water conditions,
> subjectiveness, whether you use the power trim etc.
The chart I'm looking at does NOT. It is presented as a SIZE comparison, in
which case you CAN say exactly this kite is bigger than that one.
You said yourself that the 11.5 is significantly smaller in size than the
9.4, yet this chart shows them equal in size. That means this chart is not
correctly indicating size.
> I still think the Cabrinha chart is the most accurate comparison thatI guess you haven't seen mine, which is only a SIZE comparison, but
according to YOUR size observations it's much more accurate than the
Cabrinha chart, since it shows the 9.4 between the sizes of the 11.5 & 13.5
Don't let all the different measurement methods confuse you, just look at
the model number in column A, & the flat area in column D, or even just the
manufacturer's own projected spec in column E. Keep in mind that while this
is only a size chart, your own observations indicate that the 9.4s POWER is
ALSO between the 11.5 & 13.5 (not surprising, since power is directly
proportional to area).
> and this is from actually flying these kites myself not from lookingGood idea. The probem is the manufacturer's wind ranges are off. I'm only
> at the surface areas and the aspect ratios. The thing is to let people
> understand that these kites are sized differently. Give them the wind
> range for each of the kites and see what will work for their conditions.
132 pounds, yet the top end of my wind range on my 7.5 is the top end of
what Naish recommends for a 170 pound rider on a 5.5 (& my low end is what
they say for a 9.5).
You also said yourself that the 11.5 is significantly more powerful than the
9.4, yet the chart shows them equal. That also means the chart is not
correctly indicating power either. I repeat my opinion that the chart is
wrong, no matter how you interpret it (size or power).
- Raul F Argilagos <offdalip@...> wrote:
> Actually I said the 9.4 BT cabrinha kite was slightly more powerfulWoops! You're right. I got it backwards that time (I wrote "more" instead
> than the 11.5 naish not the opposite.
of "less) but the chart is still wrong.
In order of power OR size, it goes 11.5, 9.4, 13.5 (according to your
The inaccurate Cabrinha chart shows the 9.4 & 11.5 as equal.
- Actually I said the 9.4 BT cabrinha kite was slightly more powerful
than the 11.5 naish not the opposite.
> You also said yourself that the 11.5 is significantly more powerful
> than the
> 9.4, yet the chart shows them equal. That also means the chart is
> correctly indicating power either. I repeat my opinion that the
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