## Re: [ksurf] Re: ARC 840?

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• ... YEP !!! THIS I AGREE WITH !
Message 1 of 15 , Mar 1, 2001
> I would say the moderate (having fun) wind ranges on the 1120 and 840
> ARCs are:
>
> 1120 = 9.5-14kts
> 840 = 12-17kts

YEP !!! THIS I AGREE WITH !
• ... Has anybody flown both the Arc1120 and Naish 15.5 AR5? It looks like price for a new arc are similar to a slightly used 15.5. So I m curious how they
Message 2 of 15 , Mar 1, 2001
--- In kitesurf@y..., "Stefano" <stefano.rosso@i...> wrote:
> > I would say the moderate (having fun) wind ranges on the 1120 and 840
> > ARCs are:
> >
> > 1120 = 9.5-14kts
> > 840 = 12-17kts

Has anybody flown both the Arc1120 and Naish 15.5 AR5? It looks like
price for a new arc are similar to a slightly used 15.5. So I'm curious
how they compare for power and range. I'm mostly interested in low end
since I have an 11.5 and would have overlap with either kite at the
upper end. Which kite will let me jump higher and longer in 10-12
knots? What's the minimum for either one to go upwind (even if that's
outside the "having fun" range)? [I can ride my board with the 11.5
from about 12 to 23 knots with the "having fun" range about 14-21 at
85kg]

R!
• My ARC1120 operates in the same wind range as your 11naish. No surprise there really. The kite sizes to wind range are based on a Kite surfer weight of 75kg. I
Message 3 of 15 , Mar 1, 2001
My ARC1120 operates in the same wind range as your 11naish.
No surprise there really.

The kite sizes to wind range are based on a Kite surfer weight of
75kg. I weigh 85 kg and so use a kite one size larger than the
recommended for each wind range.
(Kite) (size) = (size projected) (Wind range)
ARC 1120 = 8.0 (Arc 9-18 knots)
ARC 840 = 6.0 (Arc 12-23 knots)
ARC 630 = 4.5 (Arc 16-27 knots)
ARC 460 = 3.3 (Arc 20-35 knots)

It is almost possible to skip a size of kite to cover the full wind
range with the least amount of kites. This depends however on you
local conditions being reasonably predictable and not likely to leave
you stranded with a small kite in light winds.

These and other details are available from my Kite surf business web
site at http://www.anabatic.co.nz (New Zealand)
• The ARC with 4.5 projected ( 630 size) definitely takes more wind to park , compared to the AR5 with 4.4 projected ( 7.5 size). The added maneuverability,
Message 4 of 15 , Mar 2, 2001
The ARC with 4.5 projected ("630" size) definitely takes more wind to
"park", compared to the AR5 with 4.4 projected ("7.5" size). The added
maneuverability, combined with the low-effort steering, make it much easier
to "work" the ARC, so its low end planing limit is similar, but it's low-end
jumping is not.

I'm currently regretting my purchase of the 4.5 projected ARC (to replace my
AR5 with 4.4). I should have got the 6.0 (& may still).

Mel

<rainer@...> wrote:

> Has anybody flown both the Arc1120 and Naish 15.5 AR5? It looks like
> price for a new arc are similar to a slightly used 15.5. So I'm curious
> how they compare for power and range. I'm mostly interested in low
• Hello Roy I guess it all comes down to what you think you like the best, everyone can say this and that, but its what you like the look of really. I learnt
Message 5 of 15 , Mar 5, 2001
Hello Roy

I guess it all comes down to what you think you like the best,
everyone can say this and that, but its what you like the look of
really. I learnt with a cquad(a lot of swimming and towing because i
could not afford a Naish or Wipika, thats the only inflatables when i
learnt really). I have just started a business in Warrnambool
Australia, Windy Waves, and i am dealing from home, hence no
overheads. I think my prices are very very good, so let us know what
you are after and i shall give you a price, but i think the Arcs are
great value for money, i have just oredered the 460 and 840 myslf.
I also have 2 Prodesigns, 4 and 7m Foils. A 2.2, 4.2, 6.3, 8.5 and
are thinking of an 12.5 Cquad, i like these kites obviously, i also
have 2 Cabrinhas on their way, April 1st hopefully. Anyway reply to
me and i shall see what price i can give you, unbeatable i think.
Darren Pearce
Windy Waves

--- In kitesurf@y..., "Roy Payne" <roy.payne=kite@b...> wrote:
> Help starting out - What to buy? - ARC?
>
> Directional board (still deciding brand/size), 10-15kts average -
some days
> more. Would a ARC 840 be a good choice or the 1120? The cost of
imported
> inflatables put me off these even though they may be better for
learning on.
>
> If the 1120 is preferred for this wind will it be possible to learn
on?
>
> I cannot find much information on 'real' wind/weight performance
for these
> kites - can anyone provide some feedback here?
>
> I was considering converting one of my old wave boards to learn on
> initially - I realise it would be too big & heavy to jump - has
anyone else
> used old boards? (8'6 pintail - no I don't have a surfboard to
convert). I
> thought this may enable me to get the basics on the wave board and
then
> purchase a more advanced & smaller directional or twin tip.
>
> Years of windsurf & some stunt kite experience.
> NB I weigh ~ 75kg.
>
> Thanks
> Roy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
• ... some days ... imported ... learning on. ... on? ... for these ... anyone else ... convert). I ... then
Message 6 of 15 , Mar 5, 2001
--- In kitesurf@y..., "Roy Payne" <roy.payne=kite@b...> wrote:
> Help starting out - What to buy? - ARC?
>
> Directional board (still deciding brand/size), 10-15kts average -
some days
> more. Would a ARC 840 be a good choice or the 1120? The cost of
imported
> inflatables put me off these even though they may be better for
learning on.
>
> If the 1120 is preferred for this wind will it be possible to learn
on?
>
> I cannot find much information on 'real' wind/weight performance
for these
> kites - can anyone provide some feedback here?
>
> I was considering converting one of my old wave boards to learn on
> initially - I realise it would be too big & heavy to jump - has
anyone else
> used old boards? (8'6 pintail - no I don't have a surfboard to
convert). I
> thought this may enable me to get the basics on the wave board and
then
> purchase a more advanced & smaller directional or twin tip.
>
> Years of windsurf & some stunt kite experience.
> NB I weigh ~ 75kg.
>
> Thanks
> Roy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
• Go for the ARC1120, its very high performance but also a great kite to learn with as it is easy to fly. As your skill increase you can push it in stronger
Message 7 of 15 , Mar 5, 2001
Go for the ARC1120, its very high performance but also a great kite
to learn with as it is easy to fly. As your skill increase you can
push it in stronger conditions.
Your weight at 10-15 knots is perfect.

regards
lee
http://www.anabatic.co.nz

lee@...
• Hallo Darren I understand that you have started your own business. I would like to know if you deliver the Arc in Europe? We are a few kitesurfers planning on
Message 8 of 15 , Mar 5, 2001
Hallo Darren

I understand that you have started your own business. I would like to know if you deliver the Arc in Europe?
We are a few kitesurfers planning on investing in some PL kites and goes for the best offer we can find.

Pleas mail me if you are interested in giving an offer.

Regards Bo, Denmark
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