RE: [ksurf] Re: Have you ever been to Ho'okipa?????!!!!!!!!
On Maui windsurfing/sailing spots: Localism is an important part of the
culture, it sucks but it is true.
The water is intimidating at some surf spots, but even more intimidating is
some of the local attitude, especially if you are not ripping. This seems
asinine, but the fact is that the surf spots are small, and the pecking
order does help reduce the crowds to a reasonable level and give people
something to attain over time. The resources there are a limited commodity,
and in a way, they are "earned" over time as skill and friendships grow. It
seems insane, but in a way, it is a sensible way of allocating the limited
resources in a way that makes it so whomever works hard enough, has the
skill and is strong enough gets to use the resources.
There is some insanity to this way of doing things, Flash getting hit is a
good example. I had a very bad experience when I decided to tell Laird
Hamilton to SLOW DOWN in the SecondWind/NeilPride parking lot. After a
while you get tired of parties that are shut down by fighting Samoans, and
even though I windsurfed at Hookipa regularly, I never had enough courage to
walk to the north end of the park, or surf uppers.
In some way, this was sensible though. I always wanted to surf at Hookipa,
and when I surfed other places, a lot of my drive was to get good enough so
that I felt comfortable paddling out at uppers, but at the same time my fear
of locals kept this kook from paddling out at that break and taking up space
where better surfers wanted to surf.
Kitesurfing, like windsurfing causes a real upset in this natural pecking
order. Windsurfers, with no experience in the waves can easily make it out
and get on to mast high waves. This is something that would be impossible
for a beginning surfer. My roommate in Hawaii could barely jibe, but he
regularly windsurfed in mast high surf, and got in EVERYONE'S way! Once you
give a windsurfer the power of the wind, that natural barrier of paddling
out into big surf is gone, and any fool can get out through the lineup and
Kitesurfing is the same. Someone with very little time in the water, and no
experience in the waves (say a guy from somewhere like Michigan) could
launch a kite at Hookipa. Use the kite to pull himself out through the nasty
shore break (that stops a lot of windsurfers) and instantly be a HUGE hazard
in the middle of Hookipa. So all of a sudden, a guy on a kiteboard appears
in a place that would have been inaccessible to him on a windsurfer or
Where the natural conditions limited the windsurfers and surfers getting
out, the kite makes it much easier to get out into the water, so that anyone
with some kiting experience can end up in the surf at Hookipa! Obviously,
some sort of limiting mechanism needs to be put in place to keep this from
Over time the Kitesurfing growing pains will subside, and Kitesurfing will
find it's place in the natural order of things in Hawaii. In the meantime I
imagine that there will be somewhat of a ruckus, but I think it is best
handled by those living on Maui, in the special world that Maui is.
Those of us from the madlands should just respectfully keep our mouths
shut(after a 1 page diatribe) and let them work it out. The alternative (as
Laird taught me) is far worse.
Happy New Year!
From: Robert Pratt [mailto:rpratt@...-lansing.mi.us]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:45 AM
Subject: [ksurf] Re: Have you ever been to Ho'okipa?????!!!!!!!!
I do get it, no I haven't been to Ho'okipa. But I've surfed and windsurfed
all over the mainland. The local surfers in Oxnard have some pretty ugly
localism. I show respect to locals who deserve it, I avoid crowded beaches
and wouldn't sail, kite or surf at Ho'pokipa I would find a less crowded
beach (even if it the conditions were lesser quality).
The objections I raise are ;
#1 the windsurfer attacked Flash, I don't care what the offense was, this is
no less than vigalanty justice. Who appointed this person judge, jury and
executioner? Everyone should condemn this action. I wonder what the FBI
would have said about the incident had they been at the beach.
#2 Who decideds who gets to sail/surf/kite at a certain beach? How did this
evolve? How is that information disceminated? To say "I get to surf here
and you don't because I live around here " is absurd.
It sounds like the rules in Hawaii have some common sense, ie.. small place
poor access but also have some localism (White Americans?).
Sorry for the rant but its -5' and a foot of snow's on the ground. I only
wish I were in Hawaii or Antigua.
Happy new year,
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