## Re: [ksurf] Re: Almost ripped my arms off!

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• In a message dated 1/1/01 5:35:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, john@jtapley.freeserve.co.uk writes: More likely too
Message 1 of 10 , Jan 1, 2001
In a message dated 1/1/01 5:35:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
john@... writes:

<< maybe we were launching to far
upwind. >>

More likely too far DOWNwind. The closer to straight downwind (directly in
front of you when your back is to the wind) the more power the kite will have.

<< Does the window angle decrease when there is stronger wind?
ie: the edge of the window changes from 85 degrees to something like
70 degrees.??? >>

You've got it exactly reversed. The window angle generally INcreases with
stronger wind, so in stronger wind you need to launch from further upwind,
since that's where the edge of the window is now.

Mel
• ... (directly in ... will have. ... like ... INcreases with ... upwind, ... WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE THE WIND SPEED WAS
Message 2 of 10 , Jan 1, 2001
--- In kitesurf@egroups.com, KiteBoard@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/01 5:35:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> john@j... writes:
>
> << maybe we were launching to far
> upwind. >>
>
> More likely too far DOWNwind. The closer to straight downwind
(directly in
> front of you when your back is to the wind) the more power the kite
will have.
>
> << Does the window angle decrease when there is stronger wind?
> ie: the edge of the window changes from 85 degrees to something
like
> 70 degrees.??? >>
>
> You've got it exactly reversed. The window angle generally
INcreases with
> stronger wind, so in stronger wind you need to launch from further
upwind,
> since that's where the edge of the window is now.
>
> Mel

WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE THE
WIND SPEED WAS AROUND 27MPH.TRYING TO FLY THE KITE FROM THE EDGE OF
THE WIND WINDOW WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS THE LINES WERE GOING WITH THE
WIND,SO AS YOU LET GO OF THE KITE IT BOUNCED AROUND THE FLOOR MAKING
ITS WAY TO THE POWER ZONE. MAYBE THE WIND WAS TO STRONG AS WE COULD
NOT KEEP THE LINES TIGHT.
• AHHH! Thank You This explanation clears up the confusion. You may have indeed launched to close to the edge of the wind window. The small kite probably did
Message 3 of 10 , Jan 1, 2001
AHHH! Thank You

This explanation clears up the confusion. You may have indeed
launched to close to the edge of the wind window. The small kite
probably did not fill enough to pull the lines tight in that amount
of wind. It may have just luffed back into the power zone.

Mark

WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE THE
> WIND SPEED WAS AROUND 27MPH.TRYING TO FLY THE KITE FROM THE EDGE OF
> THE WIND WINDOW WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS THE LINES WERE GOING WITH THE
> WIND,SO AS YOU LET GO OF THE KITE IT BOUNCED AROUND THE FLOOR
MAKING
> ITS WAY TO THE POWER ZONE. MAYBE THE WIND WAS TO STRONG AS WE COULD
> NOT KEEP THE LINES TIGHT.
• What was probably happening is that the drag from the kite lines was changing the angle of the kite so much, it was like trying to launch past the window s
Message 4 of 10 , Jan 1, 2001
What was probably happening is that the drag from the kite lines
was changing the angle of the kite so much, it was like trying to
launch past the window's edge causing the kite to luff. If you had
the rear lines, or lengthen the front lines to compensate for the
drag on the flying lines, causing the angle of the kite to change.

Mark

--- In kitesurf@egroups.com, bnow@e... wrote:
> AHHH! Thank You
>
> This explanation clears up the confusion. You may have indeed
> launched to close to the edge of the wind window. The small kite
> probably did not fill enough to pull the lines tight in that amount
> of wind. It may have just luffed back into the power zone.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE THE
> > WIND SPEED WAS AROUND 27MPH.TRYING TO FLY THE KITE FROM THE EDGE
OF
> > THE WIND WINDOW WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS THE LINES WERE GOING WITH THE
> > WIND,SO AS YOU LET GO OF THE KITE IT BOUNCED AROUND THE FLOOR
> MAKING
> > ITS WAY TO THE POWER ZONE. MAYBE THE WIND WAS TO STRONG AS WE
COULD
> > NOT KEEP THE LINES TIGHT.
• -I FLY THE KITE ON 2 LINES ONLY,BOTH THE BREAK LINES R TYED OFF 2 THE MAIN LINES. MARK WHAT KITE DO U FLY? AND WHAT STYLE OF BOARD DO U RIDE? WHAT DO U THINK
Message 5 of 10 , Jan 2, 2001
-I FLY THE KITE ON 2 LINES ONLY,BOTH THE BREAK LINES R TYED OFF 2 THE
MAIN LINES.
MARK WHAT KITE DO U FLY?
AND WHAT STYLE OF BOARD DO U RIDE?
WHAT DO U THINK OF THE PETER LYNN ARC?
CHEERS MATT.

-- In kitesurf@egroups.com, bnow@e... wrote:
> What was probably happening is that the drag from the kite lines
> was changing the angle of the kite so much, it was like trying to
> launch past the window's edge causing the kite to luff. If you had
> an adjustment strap on your bar, you could have possibly shortened
> the rear lines, or lengthen the front lines to compensate for the
> drag on the flying lines, causing the angle of the kite to change.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In kitesurf@egroups.com, bnow@e... wrote:
> > AHHH! Thank You
> >
> > This explanation clears up the confusion. You may have indeed
> > launched to close to the edge of the wind window. The small kite
> > probably did not fill enough to pull the lines tight in that
amount
> > of wind. It may have just luffed back into the power zone.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE THE
> > > WIND SPEED WAS AROUND 27MPH.TRYING TO FLY THE KITE FROM THE
EDGE
> OF
> > > THE WIND WINDOW WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS THE LINES WERE GOING WITH
THE
> > > WIND,SO AS YOU LET GO OF THE KITE IT BOUNCED AROUND THE FLOOR
> > MAKING
> > > ITS WAY TO THE POWER ZONE. MAYBE THE WIND WAS TO STRONG AS WE
> COULD
> > > NOT KEEP THE LINES TIGHT.
• Hey Matt I apologize for the brain fart on my part, for assuming you were using a four-line setup on your kite. I fly the Peter Lynn ARC kites, use a killer
Message 6 of 10 , Jan 2, 2001
Hey Matt

I apologize for the brain fart on my part, for assuming you were
using a four-line setup on your kite.

I fly the Peter Lynn ARC kites, use a killer Monkey AIR twin tip
kiteboard, and of course I think the Peter Lynn ARC is one of the
best kite designs going in kiteboarding today. Check the archives
here under "ARC" and you can read what myself and others have said
about our experience with flying the ARC. Also you can check out
these web sites: www.monkeyair.com, and the Peter Lynn site
www.peterlynnkites.co.nz/.

Take care.

Mark

--- In kitesurf@egroups.com, m.diffey@b... wrote:
> -I FLY THE KITE ON 2 LINES ONLY,BOTH THE BREAK LINES R TYED OFF 2
THE
> MAIN LINES.
> MARK WHAT KITE DO U FLY?
> AND WHAT STYLE OF BOARD DO U RIDE?
> WHAT DO U THINK OF THE PETER LYNN ARC?
> CHEERS MATT.
>
>
> -- In kitesurf@egroups.com, bnow@e... wrote:
> > What was probably happening is that the drag from the kite
lines
> > was changing the angle of the kite so much, it was like trying to
> > launch past the window's edge causing the kite to luff. If you
> > an adjustment strap on your bar, you could have possibly
shortened
> > the rear lines, or lengthen the front lines to compensate for the
> > drag on the flying lines, causing the angle of the kite to change.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- In kitesurf@egroups.com, bnow@e... wrote:
> > > AHHH! Thank You
> > >
> > > This explanation clears up the confusion. You may have
indeed
> > > launched to close to the edge of the wind window. The small
kite
> > > probably did not fill enough to pull the lines tight in that
> amount
> > > of wind. It may have just luffed back into the power zone.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT MY FRIEND IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE FLEW THE KITE
THE
> > > > WIND SPEED WAS AROUND 27MPH.TRYING TO FLY THE KITE FROM THE
> EDGE
> > OF
> > > > THE WIND WINDOW WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS THE LINES WERE GOING WITH
> THE
> > > > WIND,SO AS YOU LET GO OF THE KITE IT BOUNCED AROUND THE FLOOR
> > > MAKING
> > > > ITS WAY TO THE POWER ZONE. MAYBE THE WIND WAS TO STRONG AS WE
> > COULD
> > > > NOT KEEP THE LINES TIGHT.
• ... today in a portuguese language forum we had a newbee ask how to launch he kite while in the water with his feet in the straps on his 7 foot directional....
Message 7 of 10 , Jan 23, 2001
> I agree-for your own savety and for other people:
> take more lessons !
> With Kitesurfing it is very useful to take lessons!

today in a portuguese language forum we had a newbee ask how to launch he
kite while in the water with his feet in the straps on his 7 foot
directional.... he wants to launch the kite that way so that he can launch
it and take off immediately likes hes seen "in the videos"

not only is he asking , he has tried this on 5 different days... and says he
actually got onto the board on one try !

DEFINITELY this guy needs lessons
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