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  • zaluskim@mindspring.com
    I am glad to hear. Did Michel make any adjustments on your kite or did he give you a new one when you sent it back to him. I am flying my 4.9 on 40 meter
    Message 1 of 18 , Jul 2, 2000
      I am glad to hear. Did Michel make any adjustments on your kite or did he
      give you a new one when you sent it back to him. I am flying my 4.9 on 40
      meter lines and found my range has increased, if you got extra line try it.
      It is the same on the top end but the bottom end has increased
      significantly.
      Z
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <kennyfarnsworth@...>
      To: <kitesurf@egroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:15 AM
      Subject: Re: [ksurf] Re: what about foils?


      > Z,
      >
      > As you are aware, I have the 9.3 New Wave. I find the kite is very stable
      > and does not luff as long as I am flying it in stable to moderately gusty
      > winds. The other day, I had a lot of luffing problems, but the wind was
      > gusting 10 - 15 mph at times causing the kite to overfly overhead and
      luff.
      > My friend with a 13.5 Naish was better able to handle the gusts because of
      > the sheeting loop on the Naish. I just could not react fast enough to the
      > gusts with the Concept Air. Today, I flew it in moderately gusty winds
      and
      > it didn't luff at all. It flew perfectly stable and the power output was
      > excellent.
      >
      > Kenny
      > << Todd, I have a 4.9 New Wave Concept Air and it has yet to fold on me
      once I
      > set the lines on the last VVS knot. It is extremely stable and parks
      very
      > well. It is super easy to set up and launch, inflates super fast under 8
      > seconds. It is easy to realunch when I crash it in the water. I use the
      > leash now because the kite got away from me once and it kept on flying
      all
      > the way to the beach (bouncing of the water), luckily my friends where
      > resting from their session and where able to catch it before the kite
      could
      > hurt anybody. From that first hand experienced the new wave CA kites are
      > very floaty and if they get away from you they will not sink but keep
      > bouncing of the water till they hit something. I am sure there are other
      > foils out there that fold, sink and overfly, but not the New Wave when it
      is
      > set in the correct VVS setting.
      > Z >>
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    • kennyfarnsworth@cs.com
      Z, I haven t sent my kite back yet. I do not want to be without a big kite in low winds. I have a 15.5 Naish on order, when it arrives I will send back the
      Message 2 of 18 , Jul 2, 2000
        Z,
        I haven't sent my kite back yet. I do not want to be without a big kite in
        low winds. I have a 15.5 Naish on order, when it arrives I will send back
        the Concept Air for repair. It does need some repair, one of the bridle
        lines came off the kite and the leash broke several times (I am working on a
        home made replacement). I think the lines on the 9.3 M New Wave are longer
        than 30 meters, but I have never taken the time to measure them. Maybe
        Michel can answer this question.

        I like how the 9.3 New Wave flies. The only things that I am going to change
        are the leash and and the bar (I am going to use a longer bar).

        Kenny

        << I am glad to hear. Did Michel make any adjustments on your kite or did he
        give you a new one when you sent it back to him. I am flying my 4.9 on 40
        meter lines and found my range has increased, if you got extra line try it.
        It is the same on the top end but the bottom end has increased
        significantly.
        Z >>
      • zaluskim@mindspring.com
        Kenny, I also don t use the stock bar. On my 4.9 I fly with a very short bar and it works great but on my EX s I fly with a much longer bar so I can make the
        Message 3 of 18 , Jul 2, 2000
          Kenny, I also don't use the stock bar. On my 4.9 I fly with a very short
          bar and it works great but on my EX's I fly with a much longer bar so I can
          make the kite really react quickly. I like the short bar when powered but
          it seems to be much easier to move the kite around with a longer bar. I
          sent my kite back for repairs not to long ago and hopefully it will be fixed
          this week. It was my own stupid fault, kite slipped out of my hand while
          adjusting the power strap and off it went into the rocks, tore a niece
          little hole in the back part of the kite. Michel said that they can fix it
          so I am pleased. Accidents happen I am glad that nobody got hurt.
          Z
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <kennyfarnsworth@...>
          To: <kitesurf@egroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 4:44 PM
          Subject: Re: [ksurf] Re: what about foils?


          > Z,
          > I haven't sent my kite back yet. I do not want to be without a big kite
          in
          > low winds. I have a 15.5 Naish on order, when it arrives I will send back
          > the Concept Air for repair. It does need some repair, one of the bridle
          > lines came off the kite and the leash broke several times (I am working on
          a
          > home made replacement). I think the lines on the 9.3 M New Wave are
          longer
          > than 30 meters, but I have never taken the time to measure them. Maybe
          > Michel can answer this question.
          >
          > I like how the 9.3 New Wave flies. The only things that I am going to
          change
          > are the leash and and the bar (I am going to use a longer bar).
          >
          > Kenny
          >
          > << I am glad to hear. Did Michel make any adjustments on your kite or did
          he
          > give you a new one when you sent it back to him. I am flying my 4.9 on
          40
          > meter lines and found my range has increased, if you got extra line try
          it.
          > It is the same on the top end but the bottom end has increased
          > significantly.
          > Z >>
          >
          >
          >
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          >
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          >
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        • kennyfarnsworth@cs.com
          Z, I will have to try a smaller New Wave. The 9.3 moves very slowly, so I am going to use a bar that is 6 inches longer. How does the 4.9 fly compared to a
          Message 4 of 18 , Jul 2, 2000
            Z,

            I will have to try a smaller New Wave. The 9.3 moves very slowly, so I am
            going to use a bar that is 6 inches longer. How does the 4.9 fly compared to
            a 9.5 M Naish AR-5. With the 9.3, it is difficult to work the kite up and
            down. You basically just have to park it and ride. Can you work the 4.9 up
            and down to stay powered up if the wind is not quite strong enough for you to
            just park the kite?

            Kenny

            << Kenny, I also don't use the stock bar. On my 4.9 I fly with a very short
            bar and it works great but on my EX's I fly with a much longer bar so I can
            make the kite really react quickly. I like the short bar when powered but
            it seems to be much easier to move the kite around with a longer bar. I
            sent my kite back for repairs not to long ago and hopefully it will be fixed
            this week. It was my own stupid fault, kite slipped out of my hand while
            adjusting the power strap and off it went into the rocks, tore a niece
            little hole in the back part of the kite. Michel said that they can fix it
            so I am pleased. Accidents happen I am glad that nobody got hurt.
            Z >>
          • Dwight & Jacky
            You want kites that just park and ride. The Naish kites don t like to be flow up and down. Fortunately, or by design, they park very low in their wind range,
            Message 5 of 18 , Jul 3, 2000
              You want kites that just park and ride. The Naish kites don't like to be
              flow up and down. Fortunately, or by design, they park very low in their
              wind range, so long bars are not needed. Most guys on the group go super
              short to make jump control better because they know they don't have to fly
              their kites up and down to ride them.

              I have only beach flown and kited side by side with New Waves. Z has never
              flown a Naish, but has some on order and has kited side by side with them.

              The 2 guys using 4.9 New Waves switched to 40 meter lines to add more time
              to the power stroke and increase their low end range. The AR5 wouldn't be
              much fun to fly that way, and really doesn't need to be. The AR5 turns like
              a foil with full brakes applied. That pivot style turn isn't conducive to
              big power strokes.

              Dwight

              > Z,
              >
              > I will have to try a smaller New Wave. The 9.3 moves very slowly, so I am
              > going to use a bar that is 6 inches longer. How does the 4.9 fly compared
              to
              > a 9.5 M Naish AR-5. With the 9.3, it is difficult to work the kite up and
              > down. You basically just have to park it and ride. Can you work the 4.9
              up
              > and down to stay powered up if the wind is not quite strong enough for you
              to
              > just park the kite?
              >
              > Kenny
            • traction@conceptair.com
              Hello Todd, you can bet that the 4.9 NW will flod before... but you ll loose. Just fly it you ll see. Michel Have nice breeze & fly safe! Michel Montminy
              Message 6 of 18 , Jul 3, 2000
                Hello Todd,

                you can bet that the 4.9 NW will flod before... but you'll loose.

                Just fly it you"ll see.

                Michel
                Have nice breeze & fly safe!
                Michel Montminy
                Concept Air cerfs-volants/kites
                201, boul. Tadoussac
                Canton Tremblay, (Qc)
                Canada, G7H 5A8
                traction@...
                www.conceptair.com
                Kitesurf Specialist
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Todd Snyder <boomjib@...>
                To: <kitesurf@egroups.com>
                Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:28 PM
                Subject: Re: [ksurf] Re: what about foils?


                > I bet it will fold quicker than my naish If I get behind tring to do a 720
                .
                > Then again I suck and need all the help I can get...
                >
                > Michal Zaluski wrote:
                >
                > > Todd, I have a 4.9 New Wave Concept Air and it has yet to fold on me
                once I
                > > set the lines on the last VVS knot. It is extremely stable and parks
                very
                > > well. It is super easy to set up and launch, inflates super fast under
                8
                > > seconds. It is easy to realunch when I crash it in the water. I use
                the
                > > leash now because the kite got away from me once and it kept on flying
                all
                > > the way to the beach (bouncing of the water), luckily my friends where
                > > resting from their session and where able to catch it before the kite
                could
                > > hurt anybody. From that first hand experienced the new wave CA kites
                are
                > > very floaty and if they get away from you they will not sink but keep
                > > bouncing of the water till they hit something. I am sure there are other
                > > foils out there that fold, sink and overfly, but not the New Wave when
                it is
                > > set in the correct VVS setting.
                > > Z
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              • Michal Zaluski
                Kenny, I don t have to work it so much because it likes to pull parked, but in lulls it is very easy to move it. I just move a bit and it keeps the power
                Message 7 of 18 , Jul 3, 2000
                  Kenny,

                  I don't have to work it so much because it likes to pull parked, but in
                  lulls it is very easy to move it. I just move a bit and it keeps the power
                  fully. I haven't ran it through huge holes, just maybe down to 12 miles
                  from anywhere up to 23 miles. I weigh 182 lbs and ride a 6"6 fox or 5"8
                  Jimmy Lewis with a fork tail in it.
                  Z
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <kennyfarnsworth@...>
                  To: <kitesurf@egroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:17 PM
                  Subject: Re: [ksurf] Re: what about foils?


                  > Z,
                  >
                  > I will have to try a smaller New Wave. The 9.3 moves very slowly, so I am
                  > going to use a bar that is 6 inches longer. How does the 4.9 fly compared
                  to
                  > a 9.5 M Naish AR-5. With the 9.3, it is difficult to work the kite up and
                  > down. You basically just have to park it and ride. Can you work the 4.9
                  up
                  > and down to stay powered up if the wind is not quite strong enough for you
                  to
                  > just park the kite?
                  >
                  > Kenny
                  >
                  > << Kenny, I also don't use the stock bar. On my 4.9 I fly with a very
                  short
                  > bar and it works great but on my EX's I fly with a much longer bar so I
                  can
                  > make the kite really react quickly. I like the short bar when powered
                  but
                  > it seems to be much easier to move the kite around with a longer bar. I
                  > sent my kite back for repairs not to long ago and hopefully it will be
                  fixed
                  > this week. It was my own stupid fault, kite slipped out of my hand while
                  > adjusting the power strap and off it went into the rocks, tore a niece
                  > little hole in the back part of the kite. Michel said that they can fix
                  it
                  > so I am pleased. Accidents happen I am glad that nobody got hurt.
                  > Z >>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The Kitesurf Group is sponsored by windTools
                  >
                  > windTools - producer of the legendary Mosquito Pro KS
                  > Get the right kitesurfingstuff.
                  >
                  > Visit http://www.windTools.com
                  >
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                  >
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