70425[ksurf] Re: Newbie Question on Kite to Buy (Big Air)
- Apr 12, 2007Lex: Thanks. Good point on the wake-style moves: I didn't think about them. I don't do
low, high-speed moves because almost everytime I've tried, I either bugger my Rotator
Cuff or otherwise damage my self esteem. I prefer to 'reach for the sky'. I 'm afraid of
heights and find this as thrilling as a carnival ride. As a surfer first, there is nothing more
thrilling that using the face of a wave to 'ramp' off ..and, of course, to NOT have to paddle
like a wheezing fool to get outside ..is a big bonus.
I've had two or three Best kites. They not only had a two-for-one program a few years
ago, but good journeyman kites. I backed away from them because of some of their
objectification of women and somewhat hats-on-sideways attitude. I just didn't feel that
they were a group I would want to hang with. Shannon seems great in his schooling vids
and I met Peter Stewie (apology for spelling) in Cabarete..but. The early Waroos I saw
seemed to be too active in the air; recent ones look good.
Brazil is a stretch for me - mentally even. I can speak a bit of Spanish and Cabarete is only
1.5hrs from Miami, so it seems close. I guess everything is a distance for you - plus you
euros don't seem to fear travel as much as we Yanks. ...and you take more time off!
Kite brand-loyalty was simply earned. The maybe seven Norths I've had never presented a
problem, but then perhaps I don't kite them hard enough ..ala wake-style ..to have had a
problem. I found the Euro kites like Takoon and GK to be built a little lighter built ..but
RRd perhaps the best, underrepresented brand in the US. I wished Takoon was again sold
in the US. ...the profits would not go to Bush.
....and Lex, whenever I see one of those beach cams over by you: it 'always' seems to be
blowing. It probably would have kept me off the kites. We can get some fairly seady SW at
about 12-15kts ...light onshore in Summer and gusty N/NW into the low 20's when cold
fronts come thru, so it's pretty nice from May-November. Good luck to you - nice chat.
J i m
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Lex Lissauer" <lex.lissauer@...> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> I like your writing style. And I feel compelled to react.
> "You're simply too heavy to jump much beyond bunny hops in those
> conditions." - I clearly disagree with that. With the equipment I recommend
> (high) jumping IS possible in these conditions. Especially raileys and
> backloops, also unhooked, because this kite generates speed and that is what
> is needed more than lift. The disadvantages are the price of the kite and
> that it will be slow steering. As this man wants to sail wakeboard style,
> the latter is no problem, for this you don't need a fast steering kite, in
> the contrary.
> "Don't get suckered into lumbering 18 - 20's that overpower easily" - The
> kite I recommended has a big power range (see:
> I agree on points 3 & 4 totally. If you can afford it, go to a windy
> location and take a weak at least to learn kitesurfing there. Personally I
> recommend Ceará Brasil (just don't go in March or April) as it is the most
> wind-certain spot I know.
> "I personally have found North over the years to be the most linear in their
> progress but also fly Naish and RRD. "
> You are the first person with a mixed quiver Naish/North. So I see you are
> really anti-cult. I think North's reputation and marketing are better than
> their kites, especially concerning robustness. But I cherish your healthy
> opportunism above loyalty to brand. You set a good example.
> I fly Best Waroo myself (which is the cult kite on this forum is my
> impression). My largest kite is 12 m² and I am not considering buying
> anything bigger, but I weight 72 kg and we have 20+ knots wind often here in
> Good luck and happy kiting.
> On 4/11/07, jim cancil <wetstuff@...> wrote:
> > I'll pipe in because I'm your size (and a few years ahead) ...and jumping
> > is probably the
> > most fun - including jumping waves - thing you can do out there.
> > 1. You're simply too heavy to jump much beyond bunny hops in those
> > conditions. You'd
> > need winds into the low-20's to ramp up. ..maybe if you lost 60lbs.
> > It's simple physics compounded by your inexperience and the fact that a
> > kite is more like
> > an overpowered airplane flown by a maniac chimp than your normal skiboat
> > tow. The
> > advantage you have over others: you know what the board feels like - but
> > that's the easy
> > bit.
> > 2. Your best kites are 12 thru 16's. Don't get suckered into lumbering 18
> > - 20's that
> > overpower easily, or oddball designs/brands that you need to join a cult
> > to fly. (..former
> > 18 and 20's user and cult member here)
> > There is an argument about whether C-kites or Bows jump better ...but the
> > later versions
> > of both, depower well and relaunch well. Stick with one of the top brands.
> > I personally
> > have found North over the years to be the most linear in their progress
> > but also fly Naish
> > and RRD.
> > 3. There is NO substitute for lessons. God ..how much time I wasted
> > teaching myself.
> > And I'm damn lucky that all I did early was eat a lot of water. I did have
> > a line nearly
> > remove a finger (perm.nerve/vascular damage) last year in the surf - but
> > that was my
> > fault. Being stoopid: trying to kite in too light air. And, I knew
> > better...
> > 4. Used gear can be great. Initailly, make sure it is complete and less
> > than a couple of
> > seasons old. Make sure you search the fourms for upgrades and tweaks: all
> > brands see to
> > get further development in the field. Your wakeboard probably has too much
> > rocker to be
> > useful here. I'd take lessons on instructor's gear before you buy.
> > ...going somewhere for 4-5days: Hattteras, Cabarete, SPI ...is probably
> > the best way to get
> > this fixed in your bone marrow.
> > j i m
> > > I have been a wakeboarder for 10+ years and would like to try
> > > kiteboarding. I am interest is in jumping and have been looking
> > > around ebay for a kite to buy so my question is which brand and model
> > > would fit this use? The winds I would be looking at are between 8-
> > > 15mph on most days and I way around 205lbs. thanks
> > >
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