69065[ksurf] Re: Twinskins
- Feb 1, 2005Thanks for the feedback. Taking the time to write such a novell
helps us all.
--- In email@example.com, georgeiw@a... wrote:
> Another point of view...
> First off I do not sell any kites I just keep them.
> North Rhino I 16 meter
> Cabrina 9.4
> Cabrina 15.5 (20.5)
> Zero Prestige 12.5 v.2, www.zeroprestige.org
> Naish 3.5, 4 meter
> Slingshot, B-2, B-3
> Kitesurfer 3.5 (XM), 9.66 XXXL
> Peter Lynn 3meter with very small inflation holes that I modified.
> F-ONE 4meter, 5 meter, 7 meter
> Flysurfer Titan 9.5, Psyho I 15.5, Psycho II 26
> Peter Lynn Guerilla II 13 meter.
> Don't knock them until you try them!
> For the lightest wind foils fly better, LEIs are too Heavy.
> For the heaviest wind small foils work, but so do arcs and LEIs and
> are dangerous in winds higher than 25
> With foils you have to learn how to mange the bridles, it is not
> just put them away in a daisy chain.
> With all of them you have to learn how to manage your lines.
> LEIs all get leaky bladders which can ruin your day.
> Arcs are the most stable and crash the least.
> LEIs are easier to relaunch if they are medium or low aspect. More
> sticks up out of the water so it is easier to flip them when they
are face down.
> Arcs absorb gusts better than any other kite. They just collapse a
> you don't feel a big jolt.
> Nothing relaunches in as little wind or as easy as the flysurfers,
> water in them.
> Arcs and Foils don't need to get pumped, which can be a drag on big
> They do launch better in light wind if pre-inflated which you can
do by holding
> them into the wind or even easier is to use a battery or gas
> Landing on a lee shore is dangerous with all of them and you have
to learn to
> wind up one line to depower the kite so that it can not fly.
> Nothing depowers as much as a flysurfer. They have twice the range
as a lei.
> You can only tilt the "C" shape of an Lei so much before it falls
out of the
> sky. The foils tilt their entire profile to start with and then
tilt up only
> the back edge at the end so that the kite flies like a streamer.
This is very
> helpful when the wind drops out and you are not so close to shore
or if the
> wind stokes up a lot.
> So, how did foils get such a bum rap? 5 or 6 years ago back when
> dinosaurs the most popular kites were the F-One foils. The did not
> and they did not relaunch well, in fact some of the sized did not
fly or turn
> that well. Then came the inflatables and stole the thunder. There
> good inflatables. I like Naish and North and would be happy to try
any of them.
> In the mean time the arc is a great compromise, no bladders, no
> might be a little difficult to relaunch but they do relaunch. They
> difficult to crash so they probably end up even with the flysurfers
but do not
> depower as much.
> In the last three years the flysurfers have changed the foil
> considerably. The air intake vents are much bigger than before so
> pre-inflating are much easier. It is very easy to launch one of
these kites solo.
> The depower bridle is a big leap forward from the f-one days and
> shapes are also a lot better. They fly in less wind and turn much
> is another obscure foil company that I have flown that turns very
> because of the pulley set up in their bridle. It is called jojo and
the kite that
> I flew was called a rage. It comes more from the kite buggy side
> than the paraglider side.
> Why did flexifoil give up on foils and go to leis? Who knows? They
> excelent leis in the "storm" but they practically invented the ram
air kite 20
> years ago.
> In the mean time cabrina and others are making foil kites for
> LEIs work but it is no fun to seal off the bladders with your
mittens off and the
> bladders can not take repeated crashes into the ground.
> So what should a 58 year old do trying to learn?
> First you will crash your kite a lot at the beginning. Start with
> and used kites and don't skip the steps. You have no idea of all
> dangers that await you. Go slow and you might learn to kite before
one of them
> get you. Take lessons. The instructor will have a full quiver of
kites and will
> know which one is right for the day that you go.
> Get the biggest board that you can find or send me an email and I
> you a drawing of a big board that you will get up on. You can not
> before you get up.
> Then go out with the biggest board and the smallest kite that will
> will get whipped around less with this approach. Once you have been
> 10 times try a big kite in very light wind with a big board. This
is a safe
> proposition. Very few people have been hurt in less than 10 mph of
> rush into this or you will get hurt.
> In the end you will probably want 3 kites. A trainer/ really heavy
wind - in
> the 3 to 5 meter range, an every day kite in the 10 to 16 meter
size and very
> light wind kite in the 15 to 20 meter size. If you start with the
> you will get up and you will get hurt. There is a ton of kite
> and board skill that you need to learn in addition to safety issues
> location and prevailing conditions.
> Remember that it is the beginners and experts that get hurt. Try
> become an expert.
> For the trainer kite I loved my Slingshot B-3 but it is no longer
> production. Foils can crash more times than inflatos. The flexifoil
blade could also
> work but you will find that most of the companies like Best, North,
> and others make foil trainers. 2 meter foils are no good. They
need too much
> wind to work and they are really jumpy. In the middle range I
would go for a
> medium aspect inflato, a Titan, or Spirit from Flysurfer or which
ever is the
> equivalent from Peter Lynn. For the lightest wind i would go for
the 28 meter
> monkey kite, the 17 flysurfer or a 20 contra. I am not sure of
> inflatos work. I do know that my foils stay in the sky when the
20.5 Cabrinah will
> not stay in the air. I do not recommend that you try one of these
> for at least 1 year. Try them in a lot of wind and you will regret
> are always available used because some rookie did try them and
> killed and would be happy to part company at half the price that
they paid for it.
> Got to go back to work.
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