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  • Brad Fairchild
    Feb 1, 2005
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      Thanks for the feedback. Taking the time to write such a novell
      helps us all.

      --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, georgeiw@a... wrote:
      > Another point of view...
      > First off I do not sell any kites I just keep them.
      >
      > LEIs
      > North Rhino I 16 meter
      > Cabrina 9.4
      > Cabrina 15.5 (20.5)
      > Zero Prestige 12.5 v.2, www.zeroprestige.org
      > Naish 3.5, 4 meter
      >
      > Foils
      > Slingshot, B-2, B-3
      > Kitesurfer 3.5 (XM), 9.66 XXXL
      > Peter Lynn 3meter with very small inflation holes that I modified.
      > F-ONE 4meter, 5 meter, 7 meter
      > Flysurfer Titan 9.5, Psyho I 15.5, Psycho II 26
      > Peter Lynn Guerilla II 13 meter.
      >
      > Don't knock them until you try them!
      > For the lightest wind foils fly better, LEIs are too Heavy.
      > For the heaviest wind small foils work, but so do arcs and LEIs and
      all three
      > are dangerous in winds higher than 25
      > With foils you have to learn how to mange the bridles, it is not
      that hard,
      > just put them away in a daisy chain.
      > With all of them you have to learn how to manage your lines.
      > LEIs all get leaky bladders which can ruin your day.
      > Arcs are the most stable and crash the least.
      > LEIs are easier to relaunch if they are medium or low aspect. More
      kite
      > sticks up out of the water so it is easier to flip them when they
      are face down.
      > Arcs absorb gusts better than any other kite. They just collapse a
      bit but
      > you don't feel a big jolt.
      > Nothing relaunches in as little wind or as easy as the flysurfers,
      even with
      > water in them.
      > Arcs and Foils don't need to get pumped, which can be a drag on big
      kites.
      > They do launch better in light wind if pre-inflated which you can
      do by holding
      > them into the wind or even easier is to use a battery or gas
      powered leaf
      > blower.
      > Landing on a lee shore is dangerous with all of them and you have
      to learn to
      > wind up one line to depower the kite so that it can not fly.
      > Nothing depowers as much as a flysurfer. They have twice the range
      as a lei.
      > You can only tilt the "C" shape of an Lei so much before it falls
      out of the
      > sky. The foils tilt their entire profile to start with and then
      tilt up only
      > the back edge at the end so that the kite flies like a streamer.
      This is very
      > helpful when the wind drops out and you are not so close to shore
      or if the
      > wind stokes up a lot.
      >
      > So, how did foils get such a bum rap? 5 or 6 years ago back when
      there were
      > dinosaurs the most popular kites were the F-One foils. The did not
      depower
      > and they did not relaunch well, in fact some of the sized did not
      fly or turn
      > that well. Then came the inflatables and stole the thunder. There
      are many
      > good inflatables. I like Naish and North and would be happy to try
      any of them.
      > In the mean time the arc is a great compromise, no bladders, no
      bridles. They
      > might be a little difficult to relaunch but they do relaunch. They
      are also
      > difficult to crash so they probably end up even with the flysurfers
      but do not
      > depower as much.
      > In the last three years the flysurfers have changed the foil
      situation
      > considerably. The air intake vents are much bigger than before so
      relaunch and
      > pre-inflating are much easier. It is very easy to launch one of
      these kites solo.
      > The depower bridle is a big leap forward from the f-one days and
      the kite
      > shapes are also a lot better. They fly in less wind and turn much
      faster. There
      > is another obscure foil company that I have flown that turns very
      quickly
      > because of the pulley set up in their bridle. It is called jojo and
      the kite that
      > I flew was called a rage. It comes more from the kite buggy side
      of things
      > than the paraglider side.
      >
      > Why did flexifoil give up on foils and go to leis? Who knows? They
      make
      > excelent leis in the "storm" but they practically invented the ram
      air kite 20
      > years ago.
      > In the mean time cabrina and others are making foil kites for
      snow. Sure
      > LEIs work but it is no fun to seal off the bladders with your
      mittens off and the
      > bladders can not take repeated crashes into the ground.
      > So what should a 58 year old do trying to learn?
      >
      > First you will crash your kite a lot at the beginning. Start with
      small kites
      > and used kites and don't skip the steps. You have no idea of all
      of the
      > dangers that await you. Go slow and you might learn to kite before
      one of them
      > get you. Take lessons. The instructor will have a full quiver of
      kites and will
      > know which one is right for the day that you go.
      > Get the biggest board that you can find or send me an email and I
      will send
      > you a drawing of a big board that you will get up on. You can not
      improve
      > before you get up.
      > Then go out with the biggest board and the smallest kite that will
      work. You
      > will get whipped around less with this approach. Once you have been
      out about
      > 10 times try a big kite in very light wind with a big board. This
      is a safe
      > proposition. Very few people have been hurt in less than 10 mph of
      wind. Don't
      > rush into this or you will get hurt.
      > In the end you will probably want 3 kites. A trainer/ really heavy
      wind - in
      > the 3 to 5 meter range, an every day kite in the 10 to 16 meter
      size and very
      > light wind kite in the 15 to 20 meter size. If you start with the
      big kites
      > you will get up and you will get hurt. There is a ton of kite
      flying skill
      > and board skill that you need to learn in addition to safety issues
      like
      > location and prevailing conditions.
      > Remember that it is the beginners and experts that get hurt. Try
      not to
      > become an expert.
      >
      > For the trainer kite I loved my Slingshot B-3 but it is no longer
      in
      > production. Foils can crash more times than inflatos. The flexifoil
      blade could also
      > work but you will find that most of the companies like Best, North,
      Air rush
      > and others make foil trainers. 2 meter foils are no good. They
      need too much
      > wind to work and they are really jumpy. In the middle range I
      would go for a
      > medium aspect inflato, a Titan, or Spirit from Flysurfer or which
      ever is the
      > equivalent from Peter Lynn. For the lightest wind i would go for
      the 28 meter
      > monkey kite, the 17 flysurfer or a 20 contra. I am not sure of
      which huge
      > inflatos work. I do know that my foils stay in the sky when the
      20.5 Cabrinah will
      > not stay in the air. I do not recommend that you try one of these
      big kites
      > for at least 1 year. Try them in a lot of wind and you will regret
      it. They
      > are always available used because some rookie did try them and
      almost got
      > killed and would be happy to part company at half the price that
      they paid for it.
      > Got to go back to work.
      > George
      >
      >
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