69026RE: [ksurf] Twinskins
- Jan 24, 2005Brian, Greame,
My idea's on inflateables / ram-airs are a bit different. There ARE more
then a few schools that teach using Ram-Airs. I'd say the odds are a bit
like the odds of people buying Ram-Air kites. Most people choose the
obvious choice. Buy Nike trainers, since everybody has them. If you get
my point. Modern Ram-Airs offer high stability, high relaunch
probability (havent drowned my kites for a single time without being
able to relaunch), safety systems that are really above standard, etc.
It's not surprising Flexifoil doesn't recommend any of their ram-airs
for kitesurfing, simply because all of the Flexifoil ram-air kites are
open celled (and i think you as a kite-vendor should know that Brian).
But if you'd check out the Flysurfer.de or Peter Lynn Kiteboarding
brochure for instance you'd see that they recommend ALL but a few models
for water use! Flysurfer.de and Peter Lynn Kiteboarding produce closed
cell kites for water use.
Open celled kites aren't for water use! Period!
Nevertheless there's plenty of Ram-Air kites around that are just as
stable as inflateables. Not in all conditions (say 35+ knots, since
tubes offer rigidity trough the inflated leading edge tube) but most
certainly in more then 95% of the conditions you'd come across...
Personally i'd highly recommend you'd try ANY kite you'd find
interesting (which includes a Naish Boxer too, Brian would be glad to
demo you one, since he's Naish dealer!) before you make the purchase.
Of course this is just my 2 cents.
Happy kiting, whatever you fly!
All we do is foilkites!
From: suntrax [mailto:brian@...]
Sent: maandag 24 januari 2005 15:52
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Twinskins
From a biased 58 year old who learned to kitesurf 5 years ago.
Ram air kites have improved a lot but are not in the league of
inflateables for learning, especially for us more mature citizens.
Today's inflateables are very stable, have a big wind range, plus they
water relaunch every time PROVIDED there is sufficient wind -.ram air
kites are more skittish, definitely not as stable and their water
relaunchability is always suspect.
I do not know of one kite school that uses ram airs, presumably due to
the above characteristics.
Fact is that due to sales of around 100 inflatable - 1 ram air, there is
obviously much more money spent on inflatable R & D, with obvious
Reading through the Flexifoil brochure, they do not recommend any of
their ram air kites, including the Blade, for kitesurfing, they only
recommend their inflateables.
Am sure that in the future ram air design will amalgamate with
inflatable to give us more efficient kites, but in the meantime
inflateables are ahead of the game..
Would highly recommend the freeride Naish Boxer as a first
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From: "Marina Kitto" <kitto2@...>
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Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [ksurf] Twinskins
> Hi all
> I'm looking to buy my first kite, for kitesurfing. I'm 52 years old
like the look of twinskin/ram air kites, for example Peter Lynn Bomba.
of the kites flown in my area are inflatables. Why is this? What's
with twinskins? Am I missing something vital in the reading/research
been doing before I buy my first kite?
> I seem to read that twinskins are more robust, easy to fly for
If this is the case, why aren't there more of them?
> Looking forward to your helpful advice....
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