Re: The eternal and the immaterial
- Jim R -
I can agree with everything you say here in your last post.
But this contradicts what you wrote in 8582. Don't you see that?
I agree that you think that the subjectivity of the ethical individual requires the existence of God, but in 8582 you denied that you ever said that.
We are not discussion what I may believe, we are discussing what you believe, and whether you have said contradictory things.
Let me try once more.
Consider this sentence: "The subjectivity of the ethical individual requires the existence of God."
YOU believe this sentence to be true. Yes?
However in your post 8582, you wrote:
"I never claimed that the "subjectivity of the ETHICAL individual" requires the existence of God, ..."
Surely you agreed that you wrote this in 8582. And surely you agree that from your own perspective, you wrote something false. Yes?
So surely you must retract what you wrote in 8582? Yes?
It's not rocket science!
- I agree with your point of view on K's belief, Don. That's all I've
been saying all along. But if he assumes it in everything that he
writes, as I have been saying, he is assuming it to be a fact. It's
just not a fact we can only appropriate subjectively.
However, if I recall, K uses the word "fact" in relationship to the
paradoxes of Religiousness B. That's how we're supposed to relate to
doctrines such as the incarnation and resurrection. Faith leads us to
accept them as a fact. These doctrines are beliefs about events that
took place in the material world; as such, they either did or did not
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Donald Anderson<don@...> wrote:
> JimR, you asked:
> "Do you think K
> believed that we create God out of nothing by believing in God, or do
> you think he believed that God exists independently of our belief in
> I do not believe that K believed that we create God by believing in him and
> I think that K believed that God is real independently of our belief. I
> agree with K's belief. The key term in all of this is "believe." K does not
> say that he knows this for a fact, however. He is not interested in proving
> that God is real. He presupposes it in everything he writes. K was
> interested not in whether God existed or was real but rather "how one
> becomes a Christian." He did not ask "how does God become real?" but rather
> "How does he become real for me?" He did believe that as long as I do not
> believe, God is not real for me, and my personal reality is what K was
> concerned about – The personal reality of subjective individual human