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  • kpk3010
    Dear Members, I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the principle of
    Message 1 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
      Dear Members,
      I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
      find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the principle
      of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
      JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.

      WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
      the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
      labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious stones,
      jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
      due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful before
      trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
      procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience as a
      practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
      after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under the
      LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.

      Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
      from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and beg
      for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
      alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
      mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
      results.

      Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and correctly.
      This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot understand
      anything in life.

      Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be anything
      like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is necessary
      because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
      results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
      asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what am
      I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought into
      this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
      and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.

      Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
      period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
      Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
      you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
      Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
      Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into account
      Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the year
      and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you cannot
      wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for working.
      Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per day
      and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of the
      Chart.

      After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out the
      RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
      going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take only
      the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
      Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord and
      finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
      it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
      Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place you
      are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
      exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
      the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
      Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.

      The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
      PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
      RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
      those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
      occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
      strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept separately
      as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
      are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should be
      taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
      similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and Secondary.
      In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.

      After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
      positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
      type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct result,
      go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
      which you have invoked the RPs.

      In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
      removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
      houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs that
      are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
      RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
      occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should be
      followed.

      I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
      all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
      share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
      Students.

      Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc., I am
      not able to interact with other members of this Group very often, for
      which I hope they will pardon me.

      GOOD LUCK
      Kpk3010
    • tw853
      Dear kpk3010, 1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial assumptions of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing for
      Message 2 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
        Dear kpk3010,

        1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial assumptions
        of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing for
        practicing of astrology can't be expected from Christ and Buddha
        since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and prohibited by Buddha.

        2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like me, could you kindly
        share your results of practiacal experience of doing a "repaeated RP
        test" for rectification of "the same birth data" which may agree or
        disagree with the similar pattern of RPS experienced by K. Baskaran
        and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young brilliant KP learner
        Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory (Ref. im my
        Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).

        Thanks and regards,

        tw

        --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
        > Dear Members,
        > I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
        > find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the
        principle
        > of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
        > JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
        >
        > WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
        > the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
        > labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious
        stones,
        > jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
        > due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful
        before
        > trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
        > procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience
        as a
        > practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
        > after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under
        the
        > LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
        >
        > Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
        > from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and
        beg
        > for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
        > alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
        > mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
        > results.
        >
        > Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and
        correctly.
        > This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot
        understand
        > anything in life.
        >
        > Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be
        anything
        > like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is
        necessary
        > because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
        > results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
        > asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what
        am
        > I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought
        into
        > this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
        > and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
        >
        > Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
        > period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
        > Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
        > you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
        > Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
        > Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into
        account
        > Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the
        year
        > and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you
        cannot
        > wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for
        working.
        > Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per
        day
        > and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of
        the
        > Chart.
        >
        > After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out
        the
        > RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
        > going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take
        only
        > the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
        > Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord
        and
        > finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
        > it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
        > Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place
        you
        > are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
        > exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
        > the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
        > Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.
        >
        > The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
        > PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
        > RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
        > those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
        > occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
        > strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept
        separately
        > as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
        > are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should
        be
        > taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
        > similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and
        Secondary.
        > In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
        >
        > After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
        > positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
        > type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct
        result,
        > go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
        > which you have invoked the RPs.
        >
        > In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
        > removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
        > houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs
        that
        > are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
        > RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
        > occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should
        be
        > followed.
        >
        > I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
        > all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
        > share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
        > Students.
        >
        > Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc., I
        am
        > not able to interact with other members of this Group very often,
        for
        > which I hope they will pardon me.
        >
        > GOOD LUCK
        > Kpk3010
      • Kanak Bosmia
        Dear Sir, ... how to check favorable period ? please explain for benift for us. regards kanak Find just what you re after with the new, more precise MSN Search
        Message 3 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005

          Dear Sir,

          >Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
          >period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
          >Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
          >you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
          >Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
          >Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into account
          >Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the year
          >and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you cannot
          >wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for working.
          >Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per day
          >and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of the
          >Chart.
          >

          how to check favorable period ? please explain for benift for us.

           

          regards

          kanak



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        • Yogesh Rao Lajmi
          Dear Mr.Kuppu Ganapathi, Thank you for your detailed explanation... With highest regards, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! kpk3010
          Message 4 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
            Dear Mr.Kuppu Ganapathi,
                                                  Thank you for your detailed explanation...
                                                  With highest regards,
                                                  Yours sincerely,
                                                  L.Y.Rao.
                                                                  GOOD LUCK !

            kpk3010 <kpk3010@...> wrote:
            Dear Members,
            I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
            find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the principle
            of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
            JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.

            WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
            the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
            labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious stones,
            jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
            due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful before
            trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
            procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience as a
            practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
            after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under the
            LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.

            Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
            from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and beg
            for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
            alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
            mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
            results.

            Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and correctly.
            This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot understand
            anything in life.

            Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be anything
            like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is necessary
            because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
            results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
            asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what am
            I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought into
            this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
            and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.

            Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
            period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
            Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
            you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
            Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
            Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into account
            Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the year
            and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you cannot
            wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for working.
            Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per day
            and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of the
            Chart.

            After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out the
            RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
            going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take only
            the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
            Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord and
            finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
            it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
            Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place you
            are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
            exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
            the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
            Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.

            The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
            PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
            RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
            those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
            occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
            strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept separately
            as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
            are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should be
            taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
            similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and Secondary.
            In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.

            After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
            positioning the  PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
            type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct result,
            go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
            which you have invoked the RPs.

            In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
            removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
            houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs that
            are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
            RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
            occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should be
            followed.

            I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
            all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
            share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
            Students.

            Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc.,  I am
            not able to interact with other members of this Group very often, for
            which I hope they will pardon me.

            GOOD LUCK
            Kpk3010















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          • kpk3010
            DEAR TW853, I CLEARLY UNDERSTND YOUR PROBLEM AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO ARRIVE AT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOWS, THERE IS NO
            Message 5 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
              DEAR TW853,
              I CLEARLY UNDERSTND YOUR PROBLEM AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO ARRIVE AT AN
              ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOWS, THERE
              IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. IN THIS CONNECTION KINDLY SEE THE EXTRACT
              OF THE MAIL SENT BY ME TO MR.RANGARAJAN, RECENTLY.
              GOOD LUCK
              kpk3010

              EXTRACT.

              Before concluding I would like to draw your kind attention to the
              writing of Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary, a copy of which I have already
              sent. I have also seen that this write up has been discussed in the KP
              Groups, two or three times and tw has already mentioned about it. From
              that writing one thing is clear viz., we are yet to understand and
              decide the mode of recording the correct time of birth, i.e., whether
              it is - i) when the child breaths first (when this happens, no one
              knows as clearly pointed out by Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary) ii) when
              the child's head appears from the womb of the Mother, iii) when the
              child cries first and iv) when the umbilical cord is cut and Mother
              and Child is separated. Under these conditions I am afraid all are in
              a wild goose chase only and anybody can apply any rule that works for
              him at all times. But the question is whether the same rule helps
              others also who are in such situations. Perhaps not. For this there
              may be umpteen reasons and causes which cannot be defined. But in my
              opinion, before taking any chart, Pray to GURUJI, follow GURUJI'S
              methods fully and He will come to your help.
              GOOD LUCK
              K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI.

















              --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "tw853" <tw853@y...> wrote:
              > Dear kpk3010,
              >
              > 1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial assumptions
              > of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing for
              > practicing of astrology can't be expected from Christ and Buddha
              > since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and prohibited by Buddha.
              >
              > 2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like me, could you kindly
              > share your results of practiacal experience of doing a "repaeated RP
              > test" for rectification of "the same birth data" which may agree or
              > disagree with the similar pattern of RPS experienced by K. Baskaran
              > and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young brilliant KP learner
              > Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory (Ref. im my
              > Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
              >
              > Thanks and regards,
              >
              > tw
              >
              > --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
              > > Dear Members,
              > > I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
              > > find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the
              > principle
              > > of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
              > > JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
              > >
              > > WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
              > > the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
              > > labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious
              > stones,
              > > jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
              > > due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful
              > before
              > > trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
              > > procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience
              > as a
              > > practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
              > > after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under
              > the
              > > LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
              > >
              > > Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
              > > from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and
              > beg
              > > for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
              > > alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
              > > mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
              > > results.
              > >
              > > Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and
              > correctly.
              > > This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot
              > understand
              > > anything in life.
              > >
              > > Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be
              > anything
              > > like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is
              > necessary
              > > because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
              > > results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
              > > asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what
              > am
              > > I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought
              > into
              > > this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
              > > and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
              > >
              > > Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
              > > period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
              > > Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
              > > you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
              > > Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
              > > Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into
              > account
              > > Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the
              > year
              > > and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you
              > cannot
              > > wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for
              > working.
              > > Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per
              > day
              > > and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of
              > the
              > > Chart.
              > >
              > > After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out
              > the
              > > RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
              > > going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take
              > only
              > > the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
              > > Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord
              > and
              > > finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
              > > it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
              > > Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place
              > you
              > > are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
              > > exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
              > > the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
              > > Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.
              > >
              > > The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
              > > PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
              > > RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
              > > those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
              > > occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
              > > strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept
              > separately
              > > as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
              > > are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should
              > be
              > > taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
              > > similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and
              > Secondary.
              > > In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
              > >
              > > After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
              > > positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
              > > type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct
              > result,
              > > go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
              > > which you have invoked the RPs.
              > >
              > > In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
              > > removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
              > > houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs
              > that
              > > are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
              > > RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
              > > occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should
              > be
              > > followed.
              > >
              > > I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
              > > all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
              > > share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
              > > Students.
              > >
              > > Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc., I
              > am
              > > not able to interact with other members of this Group very often,
              > for
              > > which I hope they will pardon me.
              > >
              > > GOOD LUCK
              > > Kpk3010
            • kpk3010
              DEAR MR.KANAKJI, I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT favourable period . IN THE EXTRACT OF MY POSTILNGS WHICH YOU HAVE QUOTED, I
              Message 6 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
                DEAR MR.KANAKJI,
                I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT
                "favourable period". IN THE EXTRACT OF MY POSTILNGS WHICH YOU HAVE
                QUOTED, I HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ABOUT "favourable period". BUT I
                HAVE MENTIONED ONLY ABOUT "favourable positions". YOU MAY PERHAPS
                AGREE THAT BOTH THESE TWO TERMS DENOTE DIFFERENT THINGS. THEREFORE
                KINDLY PUT YOUR QUESTION IN A MORE PRECISE AND CLEAR MANNER SO THAT I
                CAN FIRST UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY AND THEN TRY TO ANSWER IT TO THE BEST
                OF MY ABILITY.
                GOOD LUCK
                kpk3010











                --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>
                wrote:
                >
              • kpk3010
                DEAR MR.LAJMI, THANK YOUR VERY MUCH FOR THE MESSAGE. GOOD LUCK kpk3010 ... explanation...
                Message 7 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005
                  DEAR MR.LAJMI,
                  THANK YOUR VERY MUCH FOR THE MESSAGE.
                  GOOD LUCK
                  kpk3010









                  In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@y...> wrote:
                  > Dear Mr.Kuppu Ganapathi,
                  > Thank you for your detailed
                  explanation...
                  > With highest regards,
                  > Yours sincerely,
                  > L.Y.Rao.
                  > GOOD LUCK !
                  >
                  > kpk3010 <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                  > Dear Members,
                  > I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
                  > find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the principle
                  > of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                  > JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                  >
                  > WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
                  > the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
                  > labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious stones,
                  > jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
                  > due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful before
                  > trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
                  > procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience as a
                  > practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
                  > after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under the
                  > LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                  >
                  > Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
                  > from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and beg
                  > for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
                  > alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
                  > mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
                  > results.
                  >
                  > Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and correctly.
                  > This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot understand
                  > anything in life.
                  >
                  > Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be anything
                  > like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is necessary
                  > because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
                  > results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
                  > asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what am
                  > I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought into
                  > this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
                  > and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                  >
                  > Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
                  > period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
                  > Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
                  > you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
                  > Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
                  > Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into account
                  > Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the year
                  > and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you cannot
                  > wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for working.
                  > Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per day
                  > and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of the
                  > Chart.
                  >
                  > After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out the
                  > RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
                  > going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take only
                  > the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                  > Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord and
                  > finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
                  > it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
                  > Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place you
                  > are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
                  > exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
                  > the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
                  > Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.
                  >
                  > The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
                  > PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
                  > RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
                  > those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
                  > occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
                  > strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept separately
                  > as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
                  > are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should be
                  > taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
                  > similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and Secondary.
                  > In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
                  >
                  > After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
                  > positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
                  > type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct result,
                  > go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
                  > which you have invoked the RPs.
                  >
                  > In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
                  > removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
                  > houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs that
                  > are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
                  > RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
                  > occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should be
                  > followed.
                  >
                  > I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
                  > all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
                  > share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
                  > Students.
                  >
                  > Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc., I am
                  > not able to interact with other members of this Group very often, for
                  > which I hope they will pardon me.
                  >
                  > GOOD LUCK
                  > Kpk3010
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                • Kanak Bosmia
                  Dera Kuppu ji, You have mention in mail : Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jun 16, 2005

                    Dera Kuppu ji,

                    You have mention in mail :

                    "Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
                    period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
                    Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
                    you are working out the chart."

                    How can astrologer check this?
                     
                    regards
                    kanak


                    >From: "kpk3010" <kpk3010@...>
                    >Reply-To: k_p_system@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: k_p_system@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: [k_p_system] Re: ABOUT RULING PLANETS
                    >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:31:42 -0000
                    >
                    >DEAR MR.KANAKJI,
                    >I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT
                    >"favourable period". IN THE EXTRACT OF MY POSTILNGS WHICH YOU HAVE
                    >QUOTED, I HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ABOUT "favourable period". BUT I
                    >HAVE MENTIONED ONLY ABOUT "favourable positions". YOU MAY PERHAPS
                    >AGREE THAT BOTH THESE TWO TERMS DENOTE DIFFERENT THINGS. THEREFORE
                    >KINDLY PUT YOUR QUESTION IN A MORE PRECISE AND CLEAR MANNER SO THAT I
                    >CAN FIRST UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY AND THEN TRY TO ANSWER IT TO THE BEST
                    >OF MY ABILITY.
                    >GOOD
                    LUCK
                    >kpk3010
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>
                    >wrote:
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >


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                  • tw853
                    Dear Shri Ganapathi, 1. Thank you very much for your kindness in sharing of your wide knowledge and deep experience with a valuable advice in a very wise way
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jun 17, 2005
                      Dear Shri Ganapathi,

                      1. Thank you very much for your kindness in sharing of your wide
                      knowledge and deep experience with a valuable advice in a very wise
                      way as a rare KP astrologer with qualities of Guruji KSK's
                      wishes. "……What we want is research for truth: Open mind to
                      investigate……" "(He) who is honest, who is sincerely devoted to God,
                      who does not speak ill of others…It is Divine Grace." It helps a lot
                      to make clear of my finding in building up the case, if necessary, to
                      hit the nail right on the head.

                      2. Le me take this opprtunity to express my sincere gratitude to you
                      for giving me a chance to practically learn the application of
                      Western aspects in KP from your articles in KP Year Books, including
                      old issues thanks to Hasmukhrai J Mehta http://www.astroclinica.com


                      With highest regards,
                      Tin Win



                      --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                      > DEAR TW853,
                      > I CLEARLY UNDERSTND YOUR PROBLEM AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO ARRIVE AT AN
                      > ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOWS,
                      THERE
                      > IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. IN THIS CONNECTION KINDLY SEE THE
                      EXTRACT
                      > OF THE MAIL SENT BY ME TO MR.RANGARAJAN, RECENTLY.
                      > GOOD LUCK
                      > kpk3010
                      >
                      > EXTRACT.
                      >
                      > Before concluding I would like to draw your kind attention to the
                      > writing of Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary, a copy of which I have already
                      > sent. I have also seen that this write up has been discussed in the
                      KP
                      > Groups, two or three times and tw has already mentioned about it.
                      From
                      > that writing one thing is clear viz., we are yet to understand and
                      > decide the mode of recording the correct time of birth, i.e.,
                      whether
                      > it is - i) when the child breaths first (when this happens, no one
                      > knows as clearly pointed out by Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary) ii) when
                      > the child's head appears from the womb of the Mother, iii) when the
                      > child cries first and iv) when the umbilical cord is cut and Mother
                      > and Child is separated. Under these conditions I am afraid all are
                      in
                      > a wild goose chase only and anybody can apply any rule that works
                      for
                      > him at all times. But the question is whether the same rule helps
                      > others also who are in such situations. Perhaps not. For this there
                      > may be umpteen reasons and causes which cannot be defined. But in my
                      > opinion, before taking any chart, Pray to GURUJI, follow GURUJI'S
                      > methods fully and He will come to your help.
                      > GOOD LUCK
                      > K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "tw853" <tw853@y...> wrote:
                      > > Dear kpk3010,
                      > >
                      > > 1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial
                      assumptions
                      > > of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing
                      for
                      > > practicing of astrology can't be expected from Christ and Buddha
                      > > since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and prohibited by
                      Buddha.
                      > >
                      > > 2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like me, could you
                      kindly
                      > > share your results of practiacal experience of doing a "repaeated
                      RP
                      > > test" for rectification of "the same birth data" which may agree
                      or
                      > > disagree with the similar pattern of RPS experienced by K.
                      Baskaran
                      > > and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young brilliant KP
                      learner
                      > > Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory (Ref. im my
                      > > Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                      > >
                      > > Thanks and regards,
                      > >
                      > > tw
                      > >
                      > > --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                      > > > Dear Members,
                      > > > I have been closely following all the postings in this Group
                      and I
                      > > > find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the
                      > > principle
                      > > > of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH
                      MARTHAND,
                      > > > JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                      > > >
                      > > > WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but
                      they are
                      > > > the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
                      > > > labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious
                      > > stones,
                      > > > jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by
                      them
                      > > > due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful
                      > > before
                      > > > trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
                      > > > procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my
                      experience
                      > > as a
                      > > > practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50
                      years)
                      > > > after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting
                      under
                      > > the
                      > > > LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                      > > >
                      > > > Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth
                      Chart or
                      > > > from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply
                      and
                      > > beg
                      > > > for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they
                      are
                      > > > alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body
                      and
                      > > > mind through which your intellect works on any subject and
                      produce
                      > > > results.
                      > > >
                      > > > Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and
                      > > correctly.
                      > > > This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot
                      > > understand
                      > > > anything in life.
                      > > >
                      > > > Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be
                      > > anything
                      > > > like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is
                      > > necessary
                      > > > because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
                      > > > results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question
                      may be
                      > > > asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " ,
                      what
                      > > am
                      > > > I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are
                      brought
                      > > into
                      > > > this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their
                      Father
                      > > > and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                      > > >
                      > > > Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the
                      RUNNING
                      > > > period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and
                      the
                      > > > Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on
                      the day
                      > > > you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
                      > > > Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up
                      the
                      > > > Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into
                      > > account
                      > > > Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates
                      the
                      > > year
                      > > > and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you
                      > > cannot
                      > > > wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for
                      > > working.
                      > > > Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree
                      per
                      > > day
                      > > > and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination
                      of
                      > > the
                      > > > Chart.
                      > > >
                      > > > After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work
                      out
                      > > the
                      > > > RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they
                      are
                      > > > going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should
                      take
                      > > only
                      > > > the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,.
                      Ascendant
                      > > > Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign
                      Lord
                      > > and
                      > > > finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of
                      Day,
                      > > > it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be
                      from
                      > > > Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the
                      place
                      > > you
                      > > > are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in
                      this
                      > > > exercise you should give greatest importance for the
                      correctness of
                      > > > the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
                      > > > Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their
                      work.
                      > > >
                      > > > The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY
                      RULING
                      > > > PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured
                      directly as
                      > > > RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of
                      RPs.,
                      > > > those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
                      > > > occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are
                      being
                      > > > strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept
                      > > separately
                      > > > as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if
                      they
                      > > > are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they
                      should
                      > > be
                      > > > taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary
                      and
                      > > > similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and
                      > > Secondary.
                      > > > In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
                      > > >
                      > > > After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first
                      by
                      > > > positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending
                      on the
                      > > > type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct
                      > > result,
                      > > > go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose
                      for
                      > > > which you have invoked the RPs.
                      > > >
                      > > > In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
                      > > > removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the
                      negative
                      > > > houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii)
                      RPs
                      > > that
                      > > > are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses
                      (iv)
                      > > > RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that
                      are
                      > > > occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement,
                      should
                      > > be
                      > > > followed.
                      > > >
                      > > > I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by
                      following
                      > > > all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I
                      should
                      > > > share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and
                      KP
                      > > > Students.
                      > > >
                      > > > Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients
                      etc., I
                      > > am
                      > > > not able to interact with other members of this Group very
                      often,
                      > > for
                      > > > which I hope they will pardon me.
                      > > >
                      > > > GOOD LUCK
                      > > > Kpk3010
                    • rongaunt@bigpond.net au
                      Dear tw, I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a difference which most Christians - including clergy - do not appear to understand. An Indian Guru
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jun 17, 2005
                        Dear tw,

                        I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a difference
                        which most Christians - including clergy - do not appear to
                        understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda made this
                        perfectly clear in his Autobiography.

                        If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will find
                        anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is a sin.
                        This is a fiction that most people who call themselves
                        'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of 'everything
                        is a sin which I don't understand'.
                        If you think I am being hard on Christians I would like to
                        explain that I am a regular church going 'Christian', but with
                        some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to understand.

                        In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce ' The Sleeping
                        Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven success, he says
                        that astrology was a major part of the curriculum for Jesus in
                        his days as a student.


                        Ron Gaunt






                        On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:

                        >Dear kpk3010,
                        >
                        >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial assumptions
                        >of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing for
                        >practicing of astrology can't be expected from Christ and Buddha
                        >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and prohibited by Buddha.
                        >
                        >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like me, could you kindly
                        >share your results of practiacal experience of doing a "repaeated RP
                        >test" for rectification of "the same birth data" which may agree or
                        >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS experienced by K. Baskaran
                        >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young brilliant KP learner
                        >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory (Ref. im my
                        >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                        >
                        >Thanks and regards,
                        >
                        >tw
                        >
                        >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                        >> Dear Members,
                        >> I have been closely following all the postings in this Group and I
                        >> find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the
                        >principle
                        >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                        >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                        >>
                        >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but they are
                        >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
                        >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious
                        >stones,
                        >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by them
                        >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful
                        >before
                        >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
                        >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my experience
                        >as a
                        >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50 years)
                        >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting under
                        >the
                        >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                        >>
                        >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth Chart or
                        >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply and
                        >beg
                        >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they are
                        >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body and
                        >> mind through which your intellect works on any subject and produce
                        >> results.
                        >>
                        >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and
                        >correctly.
                        >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot
                        >understand
                        >> anything in life.
                        >>
                        >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be
                        >anything
                        >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is
                        >necessary
                        >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
                        >> results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question may be
                        >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " , what
                        >am
                        >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are brought
                        >into
                        >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their Father
                        >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                        >>
                        >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
                        >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
                        >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
                        >> you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
                        >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up the
                        >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into
                        >account
                        >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates the
                        >year
                        >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you
                        >cannot
                        >> wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for
                        >working.
                        >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree per
                        >day
                        >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination of
                        >the
                        >> Chart.
                        >>
                        >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work out
                        >the
                        >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they are
                        >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should take
                        >only
                        >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                        >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign Lord
                        >and
                        >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of Day,
                        >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be from
                        >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the place
                        >you
                        >> are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in this
                        >> exercise you should give greatest importance for the correctness of
                        >> the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
                        >> Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their work.
                        >>
                        >> The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY RULING
                        >> PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured directly as
                        >> RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of RPs.,
                        >> those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
                        >> occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are being
                        >> strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept
                        >separately
                        >> as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if they
                        >> are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they should
                        >be
                        >> taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary and
                        >> similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and
                        >Secondary.
                        >> In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
                        >>
                        >> After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first by
                        >> positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending on the
                        >> type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct
                        >result,
                        >> go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose for
                        >> which you have invoked the RPs.
                        >>
                        >> In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
                        >> removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the negative
                        >> houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii) RPs
                        >that
                        >> are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses (iv)
                        >> RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that are
                        >> occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement, should
                        >be
                        >> followed.
                        >>
                        >> I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by following
                        >> all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I should
                        >> share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and KP
                        >> Students.
                        >>
                        >> Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients etc., I
                        >am
                        >> not able to interact with other members of this Group very often,
                        >for
                        >> which I hope they will pardon me.
                        >>
                        >> GOOD LUCK
                        >> Kpk3010
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >Yahoo! Groups Links
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • Yogesh Rao Lajmi
                        Dear Shri K.P.Kuppu Ganapati, Your reply to Kanak, rang a bell in my mind... I remember,during one of his lectures,years ago,Guruji had cautioned students,
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jun 18, 2005
                          Dear Shri K.P.Kuppu Ganapati,
                                                                       Your reply to Kanak,"rang a bell' in my mind...
                                                                        I remember,during one of his lectures,years ago,Guruji had cautioned students, that if the  star ruling on the day is the significator of your(the astrologer's) VIII th, the prediction is very likely to go wrong...? ! Hence he advised that the chart be taken up on some other day...
                                                               Sir, could you please elaborate ? This seems to have slipped my mind...it is very careless of me to forget such an extremely valuable tip...
                                                               I shall be ever grateful to you...Sir...
                                                               Yours sincerely,
                                                                L.Y.Rao.
                                                                            GOOD LUCK !
                                           

                          Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@...> wrote:

                          Dera Kuppu ji,

                          You have mention in mail :

                          "Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the RUNNING
                          period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and the
                          Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on the day
                          you are working out the chart."

                          How can astrologer check this?
                           
                          regards
                          kanak


                          >From: "kpk3010" <kpk3010@...>
                          >Reply-To: k_p_system@yahoogroups.com
                          >To: k_p_system@yahoogroups.com
                          >Subject: [k_p_system] Re: ABOUT RULING PLANETS
                          >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:31:42 -0000
                          >
                          >DEAR MR.KANAKJI,
                          >I AM NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT
                          >"favourable period". IN THE EXTRACT OF MY POSTILNGS WHICH YOU HAVE
                          >QUOTED, I HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ABOUT "favourable period". BUT I
                          >HAVE MENTIONED ONLY ABOUT "favourable positions". YOU MAY PERHAPS
                          >AGREE THAT BOTH THESE TWO TERMS DENOTE DIFFERENT THINGS. THEREFORE
                          >KINDLY PUT YOUR QUESTION IN A MORE PRECISE AND CLEAR MANNER SO THAT I
                          >CAN FIRST UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY AND THEN TRY TO ANSWER IT TO THE BEST
                          >OF MY ABILITY.
                          >GOOD LUCK
                          >kpk3010
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>
                          >wrote:
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
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                        • tw853
                          Dear Ron, My understanding is from Polish and other roman catholics that I m sure you re not. Regards, tw -- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, rongaunt@b... au
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jun 19, 2005
                            Dear Ron,

                            My understanding is from Polish and other roman catholics that I'm
                            sure you're not.

                            Regards,

                            tw



                            -- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "rongaunt@b... au" <rongaunt@b...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > Dear tw,
                            >
                            > I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a difference
                            > which most Christians - including clergy - do not appear to
                            > understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda made this
                            > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                            >
                            > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will find
                            > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is a sin.
                            > This is a fiction that most people who call themselves
                            > 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of 'everything
                            > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                            > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would like to
                            > explain that I am a regular church going 'Christian', but with
                            > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to understand.
                            >
                            > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce ' The Sleeping
                            > Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven success, he says
                            > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum for Jesus in
                            > his days as a student.
                            >
                            >
                            > Ron Gaunt
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                            >
                            > >Dear kpk3010,
                            > >
                            > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input. Crucial
                            assumptions
                            > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable. But blessing
                            for
                            > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from Christ and Buddha
                            > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and prohibited by
                            Buddha.
                            > >
                            > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like me, could you
                            kindly
                            > >share your results of practiacal experience of doing a "repaeated
                            RP
                            > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data" which may agree
                            or
                            > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS experienced by K.
                            Baskaran
                            > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young brilliant KP
                            learner
                            > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory (Ref. im my
                            > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                            > >
                            > >Thanks and regards,
                            > >
                            > >tw
                            > >
                            > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010" <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                            > >> Dear Members,
                            > >> I have been closely following all the postings in this Group
                            and I
                            > >> find that many are struggling to understand the usage of the
                            > >principle
                            > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT GURUJI, JYOTISH
                            MARTHAND,
                            > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                            > >>
                            > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere Planets but
                            they are
                            > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP followers out of the
                            > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where several precious
                            > >stones,
                            > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but cannot be seen by
                            them
                            > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should be very careful
                            > >before
                            > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use. Then what is the
                            > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed by my
                            experience
                            > >as a
                            > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a century (50
                            years)
                            > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly by sitting
                            under
                            > >the
                            > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                            > >>
                            > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict on a Birth
                            Chart or
                            > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes, concentrate deeply
                            and
                            > >beg
                            > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND MOTHER) whether they
                            are
                            > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave you this body
                            and
                            > >> mind through which your intellect works on any subject and
                            produce
                            > >> results.
                            > >>
                            > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you properly and
                            > >correctly.
                            > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher you cannot
                            > >understand
                            > >> anything in life.
                            > >>
                            > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING DEITY) it may be
                            > >anything
                            > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc., etc., This is
                            > >necessary
                            > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament by THEM to give
                            > >> results based on their position in the Chart. Here a question
                            may be
                            > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF ANY GOD " ,
                            what
                            > >am
                            > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that you are
                            brought
                            > >into
                            > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such persons, their
                            Father
                            > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                            > >>
                            > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out whether the
                            RUNNING
                            > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and Sookshma, Moon and
                            the
                            > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position for you on
                            the day
                            > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more importance to the
                            > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you are taking up
                            the
                            > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have not taken into
                            > >account
                            > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple. Jupiter indicates
                            the
                            > >year
                            > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving Planet and you
                            > >cannot
                            > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up the Chart for
                            > >working.
                            > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves only a degree
                            per
                            > >day
                            > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up the examination
                            of
                            > >the
                            > >> Chart.
                            > >>
                            > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites, you should work
                            out
                            > >the
                            > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your heart since they
                            are
                            > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first you should
                            take
                            > >only
                            > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT GURUJI, VIZ.,.
                            Ascendant
                            > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord, Moon's Sign
                            Lord
                            > >and
                            > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the Indian System of
                            Day,
                            > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise. Otherwise, it should be
                            from
                            > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the Seconds, at the
                            place
                            > >you
                            > >> are examining the Chart. Since correct time is the essence in
                            this
                            > >> exercise you should give greatest importance for the
                            correctness of
                            > >> the time up to the Micro Seconds which you can obtain from any
                            > >> Scientific Laboratory which uses the Atomic Clock for their
                            work.
                            > >>
                            > >> The first set of 5 Planets should be kept and used as PRIMARY
                            RULING
                            > >> PLANETS. Then, take those Planets that have not figured
                            directly as
                            > >> RPs i.e., Primary RPs, but they are in the Star and / Sub of
                            RPs.,
                            > >> those Planets within 3 degrees of a RP, those Planets which are
                            > >> occupying the Ascendant Sign in the RP, those Planets that are
                            being
                            > >> strongly aspected by the Primary RPs. These should be kept
                            > >separately
                            > >> as SECONDARY RULING PLANETS. So far as Nodes are concerned, if
                            they
                            > >> are conjoined with either the Primary or Secondary RPs they
                            should
                            > >be
                            > >> taken as RPs in their respective set i.e., Primary or Secondary
                            and
                            > >> similarly if they occupy the Signs of the RPs., Primary and
                            > >Secondary.
                            > >> In this process you will mostly get all the 9 Planets as RPs.
                            > >>
                            > >> After the above process is over, you can begin your work, first
                            by
                            > >> positioning the PRIMARY RPs to the required places depending
                            on the
                            > >> type of question etc., In case you are not getting the correct
                            > >result,
                            > >> go to the SECONDARY RPs to see if they fit in for the purpose
                            for
                            > >> which you have invoked the RPs.
                            > >>
                            > >> In the case of Horary Charts, the usual elimination process (i)
                            > >> removing the tempting RPs (ii) RPs that are occupying the
                            negative
                            > >> houses from the houses required for getting the result (iii)
                            RPs
                            > >that
                            > >> are in the Stars/Subs of Planets occupying the negative houses
                            (iv)
                            > >> RPs in the Star and or Sub of a Retrograde Planet (v) RPs that
                            are
                            > >> occupying the houses 6, 8 and 12 to the houses of judgement,
                            should
                            > >be
                            > >> followed.
                            > >>
                            > >> I have been successful in my career as a KP Astrologer by
                            following
                            > >> all the above mentioned procedures and hence I thought that I
                            should
                            > >> share the above with all my fellow KP Scholars, Astrologers and
                            KP
                            > >> Students.
                            > >>
                            > >> Due to my old age and other preoccupations with my Clients
                            etc., I
                            > >am
                            > >> not able to interact with other members of this Group very
                            often,
                            > >for
                            > >> which I hope they will pardon me.
                            > >>
                            > >> GOOD LUCK
                            > >> Kpk3010
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                          • Sunil Joshi
                            Dear Ron, Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met told that looking into future is not permitted
                            Message 13 of 19 , Jun 19, 2005
                              Dear Ron,
                              Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                              experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                              told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                              Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                              so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                              mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                              Christian friends in India.
                              With regards,
                              Sunil D.Joshi.

                              --- "rongaunt@... au"
                              <rongaunt@...> wrote:

                              >
                              > Dear tw,
                              >
                              > I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a
                              > difference
                              > which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                              > appear to
                              > understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                              > made this
                              > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                              >
                              > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                              > find
                              > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                              > a sin.
                              > This is a fiction that most people who call
                              > themselves
                              > 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of
                              > 'everything
                              > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                              > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                              > like to
                              > explain that I am a regular church going
                              > 'Christian', but with
                              > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                              > understand.
                              >
                              > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                              > The Sleeping
                              > Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven
                              > success, he says
                              > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                              > for Jesus in
                              > his days as a student.
                              >
                              >
                              > Ron Gaunt
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                              >
                              > >Dear kpk3010,
                              > >
                              > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                              > Crucial assumptions
                              > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                              > But blessing for
                              > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                              > Christ and Buddha
                              > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                              > prohibited by Buddha.
                              > >
                              > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                              > me, could you kindly
                              > >share your results of practiacal experience of
                              > doing a "repaeated RP
                              > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                              > which may agree or
                              > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                              > experienced by K. Baskaran
                              > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                              > brilliant KP learner
                              > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                              > (Ref. im my
                              > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                              > >
                              > >Thanks and regards,
                              > >
                              > >tw
                              > >
                              > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                              > <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                              > >> Dear Members,
                              > >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                              > this Group and I
                              > >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                              > usage of the
                              > >principle
                              > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                              > GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                              > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                              > K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                              > >>
                              > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                              > Planets but they are
                              > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                              > followers out of the
                              > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                              > several precious
                              > >stones,
                              > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                              > cannot be seen by them
                              > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                              > be very careful
                              > >before
                              > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                              > Then what is the
                              > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                              > by my experience
                              > >as a
                              > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                              > century (50 years)
                              > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                              > by sitting under
                              > >the
                              > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                              > >>
                              > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                              > on a Birth Chart or
                              > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                              > concentrate deeply and
                              > >beg
                              > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                              > MOTHER) whether they are
                              > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                              > you this body and
                              > >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                              > subject and produce
                              > >> results.
                              > >>
                              > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                              > properly and
                              > >correctly.
                              > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                              > you cannot
                              > >understand
                              > >> anything in life.
                              > >>
                              > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                              > DEITY) it may be
                              > >anything
                              > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                              > etc., This is
                              > >necessary
                              > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                              > by THEM to give
                              > >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                              > Here a question may be
                              > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                              > ANY GOD " , what
                              > >am
                              > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                              > you are brought
                              > >into
                              > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                              > persons, their Father
                              > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                              > >>
                              > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                              > whether the RUNNING
                              > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                              > Sookshma, Moon and the
                              > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                              > for you on the day
                              > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                              > importance to the
                              > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                              > are taking up the
                              > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                              > not taken into
                              > >account
                              > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                              > Jupiter indicates the
                              > >year
                              > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                              > Planet and you
                              > >cannot
                              > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                              > the Chart for
                              > >working.
                              > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                              > only a degree per
                              > >day
                              > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                              > the examination of
                              > >the
                              > >> Chart.
                              > >>
                              > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                              > you should work out
                              > >the
                              > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                              > heart since they are
                              > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                              > you should take
                              > >only
                              > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                              > GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                              > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                              > Moon's Sign Lord
                              > >and
                              > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                              > Indian System of Day,
                              > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                              > Otherwise, it should be from
                              > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                              > Seconds, at the place
                              >
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                            • Yogesh Rao Lajmi
                              Dear Sunil, Just as many Hindus know very little of what is written in the Geeta or other religious Texts,so also many Muslims do not know what is written in
                              Message 14 of 19 , Jun 20, 2005
                                Dear Sunil,
                                                Just as many Hindus know very little of what is written in the Geeta or other religious Texts,so also many Muslims do not know what is written in the Quran..as it is written in Arabic...but only recently translated into other languages...
                                                This seems to be a Universal phenomenon...in my humble opinion...very few among us know what is written in our religious books...
                                                Yours sincerely,
                                                 lyrastro1
                                                                    GOOD LUCK !
                                               

                                Sunil Joshi <suniljoshi80@...> wrote:
                                Dear Ron,
                                Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                                experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                                told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                                Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                                so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                                mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                                Christian friends in India.
                                With regards,
                                Sunil D.Joshi.

                                --- "rongaunt@... au"
                                <rongaunt@...> wrote:

                                >
                                > Dear tw,
                                >
                                > I suppose  by Christ you mean Jesus.   There is a
                                > difference
                                > which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                                > appear to
                                > understand.   An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                                > made this
                                > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                                >
                                > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                                > find
                                > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                                > a sin.
                                > This is a fiction that most people who call
                                > themselves
                                > 'Christians' believe.   It is lumped into the bag of
                                > 'everything
                                > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                                > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                                > like to
                                > explain that I am a regular church going
                                > 'Christian', but with
                                > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                                > understand.
                                >
                                > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                                > The Sleeping
                                > Prophet'  who had a fantastic record of proven
                                > success,  he says
                                > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                                > for Jesus in
                                > his days as a student.
                                >
                                >
                                > Ron Gaunt
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                                >
                                > >Dear kpk3010,
                                > >
                                > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                                > Crucial assumptions
                                > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                                > But blessing for
                                > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                                > Christ and Buddha
                                > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                                > prohibited by Buddha.
                                > >
                                > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                                > me, could you kindly
                                > >share your results of practiacal experience of
                                > doing a "repaeated RP
                                > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                                > which may agree or
                                > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                                > experienced by K. Baskaran
                                > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                                > brilliant KP learner
                                > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                                > (Ref. im my
                                > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                                > >
                                > >Thanks and regards,
                                > >
                                > >tw
                                > >
                                > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                                > <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                                > >> Dear Members,
                                > >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                                > this Group and I
                                > >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                                > usage of the
                                > >principle
                                > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                                > GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                                > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                                > K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                                > >>
                                > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                                > Planets but they are
                                > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                                > followers out of the
                                > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                                > several precious
                                > >stones,
                                > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                                > cannot be seen by them
                                > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                                > be very careful
                                > >before
                                > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                                > Then what is the
                                > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                                > by my experience
                                > >as a
                                > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                                > century (50 years)
                                > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                                > by sitting under
                                > >the
                                > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                                > >>
                                > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                                > on a Birth Chart or
                                > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                                > concentrate deeply and
                                > >beg
                                > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                                > MOTHER) whether they are
                                > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                                > you this body and
                                > >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                                > subject and produce
                                > >> results.
                                > >>
                                > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                                > properly and
                                > >correctly.
                                > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                                > you cannot
                                > >understand
                                > >> anything in life.
                                > >>
                                > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                                > DEITY) it may be
                                > >anything
                                > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                                > etc., This is
                                > >necessary
                                > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                                > by THEM to give
                                > >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                                > Here a question may be
                                > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                                > ANY GOD " , what
                                > >am
                                > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                                > you are brought
                                > >into
                                > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                                > persons, their Father
                                > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                                > >>
                                > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                                > whether the RUNNING
                                > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                                > Sookshma, Moon and the
                                > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                                > for you on the day
                                > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                                > importance to the
                                > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                                > are taking up the
                                > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                                > not taken into
                                > >account
                                > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                                > Jupiter indicates the
                                > >year
                                > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                                > Planet and you
                                > >cannot
                                > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                                > the Chart for
                                > >working.
                                > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                                > only a degree per
                                > >day
                                > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                                > the examination of
                                > >the
                                > >> Chart.
                                > >>
                                > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                                > you should work out
                                > >the
                                > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                                > heart since they are
                                > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                                > you should take
                                > >only
                                > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                                > GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                                > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                                > Moon's Sign Lord
                                > >and
                                > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                                > Indian System of Day,
                                > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                                > Otherwise, it should be from
                                > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                                > Seconds, at the place
                                >
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                              • rongaunt@bigpond.net au
                                Dear Sunil, I think one needs to look into how this mistaken belief took root. In the Old Testament there is an injunction to the Israelites that they should
                                Message 15 of 19 , Jun 20, 2005
                                  Dear Sunil,

                                  I think one needs to look into how this mistaken belief took
                                  root. In the Old Testament there is an injunction to the
                                  Israelites that they should not concern themselves with the
                                  future. One reason for this may have been that right from the
                                  exodus from Egypt they had leaders who 'knew' what to do in
                                  all important circumstances. If this knowledge was not obtained
                                  by divine revelation ie to Moses, it was obtained by divination
                                  by the priests. They had a special tunic created which was
                                  called the 'Priest's Breastplate of Judgement'. Into this
                                  breastplate was placed what was called 'urim and thummim'.
                                  These were stones that were cast to give answers
                                  to questions asked by the high priest.

                                  In other words it wasn't that divination was looked at as being
                                  evil; it was simply the prerogative of the ruling class and not
                                  available to the rank and file; who if they used divination might
                                  obtain different answers to the ruling class and cause division,
                                  at a time when national unity was essential. In fact in the Old
                                  Testament it clearly states that the Israelites may not use
                                  divination, but people of other nations may use it.

                                  Whenever, my Christian friends try to tell me that divination is
                                  evil,I point out that if this is the case why is it practiced by
                                  the Chief Priests and other successful notables in the Old
                                  Testament?. When they ask me what I mean I mention the
                                  case of Joseph. Joseph was a man who was sold into slavery
                                  into Egypt by his brothers and being falsely accused was
                                  imprisoned. Later by using his psychic gifts he rose to become
                                  the most powerful man in Egypt after the Pharaoh.

                                  During a famine his brothers visited Egypt to buy grain. They
                                  didn't recognize their brother now the Chief Minister of the
                                  land, but he recognized them. After giving them grain he sent
                                  them on their way without revealing himself. But in order to
                                  see his younger brother and father who were not in the party he
                                  hid his favorites 'divining cup' in the grain. He then had his
                                  steward chase after them and accuse them of stealing it so as to
                                  make them return to him. On their return he asked them if they
                                  thought not that "such a man as I can divine?".

                                  Without going into any greater detail, everything turns out well
                                  in the end as Joseph's father and all his family settle
                                  comfortably in Egypt.

                                  The point of all this is that a person highly thought of by both
                                  Jews and Christians used psychic gifts. Whilst nearly all
                                  Christians would know this story,I find none of them questioning
                                  their belief that scrying or divining is evil. In fact I used
                                  to attend a 'small group' (these are get togethers to study the
                                  bible) of Christians mainly consisting of people in the ministry.
                                  These were people from the bible college, deacons of the church,
                                  and translators of the bible into the New Guinea language. I
                                  was surprised to find that they seldom questioned anything.
                                  When I mentioned ideas (mainly picked up from Indian philosophy)
                                  they were amazed, initially offended, and later accepting as
                                  they came to realize that all might not be exactly as thought by
                                  the 'average' Christian.


                                  Ron Gaunt




                                  On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:05:32 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

                                  >Dear Ron,
                                  >Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                                  >experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                                  >told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                                  >Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                                  >so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                                  >mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                                  >Christian friends in India.
                                  >With regards,
                                  >Sunil D.Joshi.
                                  >
                                  >--- "rongaunt@... au"
                                  ><rongaunt@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >>
                                  >> Dear tw,
                                  >>
                                  >> I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a
                                  >> difference
                                  >> which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                                  >> appear to
                                  >> understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                                  >> made this
                                  >> perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                                  >>
                                  >> If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                                  >> find
                                  >> anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                                  >> a sin.
                                  >> This is a fiction that most people who call
                                  >> themselves
                                  >> 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of
                                  >> 'everything
                                  >> is a sin which I don't understand'.
                                  >> If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                                  >> like to
                                  >> explain that I am a regular church going
                                  >> 'Christian', but with
                                  >> some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                                  >> understand.
                                  >>
                                  >> In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                                  >> The Sleeping
                                  >> Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven
                                  >> success, he says
                                  >> that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                                  >> for Jesus in
                                  >> his days as a student.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Ron Gaunt
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> >Dear kpk3010,
                                  >> >
                                  >> >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                                  >> Crucial assumptions
                                  >> >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                                  >> But blessing for
                                  >> >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                                  >> Christ and Buddha
                                  >> >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                                  >> prohibited by Buddha.
                                  >> >
                                  >> >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                                  >> me, could you kindly
                                  >> >share your results of practiacal experience of
                                  >> doing a "repaeated RP
                                  >> >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                                  >> which may agree or
                                  >> >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                                  >> experienced by K. Baskaran
                                  >> >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                                  >> brilliant KP learner
                                  >> >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                                  >> (Ref. im my
                                  >> >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                                  >> >
                                  >> >Thanks and regards,
                                  >> >
                                  >> >tw
                                  >> >
                                  >> >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                                  >> <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                                  >> >> Dear Members,
                                  >> >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                                  >> this Group and I
                                  >> >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                                  >> usage of the
                                  >> >principle
                                  >> >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                                  >> GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                                  >> >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                                  >> K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                                  >> Planets but they are
                                  >> >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                                  >> followers out of the
                                  >> >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                                  >> several precious
                                  >> >stones,
                                  >> >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                                  >> cannot be seen by them
                                  >> >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                                  >> be very careful
                                  >> >before
                                  >> >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                                  >> Then what is the
                                  >> >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                                  >> by my experience
                                  >> >as a
                                  >> >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                                  >> century (50 years)
                                  >> >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                                  >> by sitting under
                                  >> >the
                                  >> >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                                  >> on a Birth Chart or
                                  >> >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                                  >> concentrate deeply and
                                  >> >beg
                                  >> >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                                  >> MOTHER) whether they are
                                  >> >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                                  >> you this body and
                                  >> >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                                  >> subject and produce
                                  >> >> results.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                                  >> properly and
                                  >> >correctly.
                                  >> >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                                  >> you cannot
                                  >> >understand
                                  >> >> anything in life.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                                  >> DEITY) it may be
                                  >> >anything
                                  >> >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                                  >> etc., This is
                                  >> >necessary
                                  >> >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                                  >> by THEM to give
                                  >> >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                                  >> Here a question may be
                                  >> >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                                  >> ANY GOD " , what
                                  >> >am
                                  >> >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                                  >> you are brought
                                  >> >into
                                  >> >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                                  >> persons, their Father
                                  >> >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                                  >> whether the RUNNING
                                  >> >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                                  >> Sookshma, Moon and the
                                  >> >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                                  >> for you on the day
                                  >> >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                                  >> importance to the
                                  >> >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                                  >> are taking up the
                                  >> >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                                  >> not taken into
                                  >> >account
                                  >> >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                                  >> Jupiter indicates the
                                  >> >year
                                  >> >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                                  >> Planet and you
                                  >> >cannot
                                  >> >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                                  >> the Chart for
                                  >> >working.
                                  >> >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                                  >> only a degree per
                                  >> >day
                                  >> >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                                  >> the examination of
                                  >> >the
                                  >> >> Chart.
                                  >> >>
                                  >> >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                                  >> you should work out
                                  >> >the
                                  >> >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                                  >> heart since they are
                                  >> >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                                  >> you should take
                                  >> >only
                                  >> >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                                  >> GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                                  >> >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                                  >> Moon's Sign Lord
                                  >> >and
                                  >> >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                                  >> Indian System of Day,
                                  >> >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                                  >> Otherwise, it should be from
                                  >> >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                                  >> Seconds, at the place
                                  >>
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                                  • tw853
                                    Dear Sunil, My Polish Roman Catholic friends say that astrology is a form of fortunetelling that preempts the providence of God, Who alone knows the future,
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Jun 21, 2005
                                      Dear Sunil,


                                      My Polish Roman Catholic friends say that astrology is a form of
                                      fortunetelling that preempts the providence of God, Who alone knows
                                      the future, and refer---

                                      47:13 Thou hast failed in the multitude or thy counsels: let now the
                                      astrologers stand and save thee, they that gazed at the stars, and
                                      counted the months, that from them they might tell the things that
                                      shall come to thee.

                                      47:14 "Behold they are as stubble,..."

                                      and mention that Pope Sixtus V condemned astrology in 1586 and Pope
                                      Urban VIII condemned it in 1631.

                                      Regards,

                                      tw




                                      --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@y...>
                                      wrote:
                                      > Dear Sunil,
                                      > Just as many Hindus know very little of what is
                                      written in the Geeta or other religious Texts,so also many Muslims
                                      do not know what is written in the Quran..as it is written in
                                      Arabic...but only recently translated into other languages...
                                      > This seems to be a Universal phenomenon...in my
                                      humble opinion...very few among us know what is written in our
                                      religious books...
                                      > Yours sincerely,
                                      > lyrastro1
                                      > GOOD LUCK !
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Sunil Joshi <suniljoshi80@y...> wrote:
                                      > Dear Ron,
                                      > Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                                      > experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                                      > told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                                      > Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                                      > so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                                      > mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                                      > Christian friends in India.
                                      > With regards,
                                      > Sunil D.Joshi.
                                      >
                                      > --- "rongaunt@b... au"
                                      > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > > Dear tw,
                                      > >
                                      > > I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a
                                      > > difference
                                      > > which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                                      > > appear to
                                      > > understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                                      > > made this
                                      > > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                                      > >
                                      > > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                                      > > find
                                      > > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                                      > > a sin.
                                      > > This is a fiction that most people who call
                                      > > themselves
                                      > > 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of
                                      > > 'everything
                                      > > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                                      > > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                                      > > like to
                                      > > explain that I am a regular church going
                                      > > 'Christian', but with
                                      > > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                                      > > understand.
                                      > >
                                      > > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                                      > > The Sleeping
                                      > > Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven
                                      > > success, he says
                                      > > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                                      > > for Jesus in
                                      > > his days as a student.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Ron Gaunt
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >Dear kpk3010,
                                      > > >
                                      > > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                                      > > Crucial assumptions
                                      > > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                                      > > But blessing for
                                      > > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                                      > > Christ and Buddha
                                      > > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                                      > > prohibited by Buddha.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                                      > > me, could you kindly
                                      > > >share your results of practiacal experience of
                                      > > doing a "repaeated RP
                                      > > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                                      > > which may agree or
                                      > > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                                      > > experienced by K. Baskaran
                                      > > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                                      > > brilliant KP learner
                                      > > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                                      > > (Ref. im my
                                      > > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                                      > > >
                                      > > >Thanks and regards,
                                      > > >
                                      > > >tw
                                      > > >
                                      > > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                                      > > <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                                      > > >> Dear Members,
                                      > > >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                                      > > this Group and I
                                      > > >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                                      > > usage of the
                                      > > >principle
                                      > > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                                      > > GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                                      > > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                                      > > K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                                      > > Planets but they are
                                      > > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                                      > > followers out of the
                                      > > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                                      > > several precious
                                      > > >stones,
                                      > > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                                      > > cannot be seen by them
                                      > > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                                      > > be very careful
                                      > > >before
                                      > > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                                      > > Then what is the
                                      > > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                                      > > by my experience
                                      > > >as a
                                      > > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                                      > > century (50 years)
                                      > > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                                      > > by sitting under
                                      > > >the
                                      > > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                                      > > on a Birth Chart or
                                      > > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                                      > > concentrate deeply and
                                      > > >beg
                                      > > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                                      > > MOTHER) whether they are
                                      > > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                                      > > you this body and
                                      > > >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                                      > > subject and produce
                                      > > >> results.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                                      > > properly and
                                      > > >correctly.
                                      > > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                                      > > you cannot
                                      > > >understand
                                      > > >> anything in life.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                                      > > DEITY) it may be
                                      > > >anything
                                      > > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                                      > > etc., This is
                                      > > >necessary
                                      > > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                                      > > by THEM to give
                                      > > >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                                      > > Here a question may be
                                      > > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                                      > > ANY GOD " , what
                                      > > >am
                                      > > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                                      > > you are brought
                                      > > >into
                                      > > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                                      > > persons, their Father
                                      > > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                                      > > whether the RUNNING
                                      > > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                                      > > Sookshma, Moon and the
                                      > > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                                      > > for you on the day
                                      > > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                                      > > importance to the
                                      > > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                                      > > are taking up the
                                      > > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                                      > > not taken into
                                      > > >account
                                      > > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                                      > > Jupiter indicates the
                                      > > >year
                                      > > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                                      > > Planet and you
                                      > > >cannot
                                      > > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                                      > > the Chart for
                                      > > >working.
                                      > > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                                      > > only a degree per
                                      > > >day
                                      > > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                                      > > the examination of
                                      > > >the
                                      > > >> Chart.
                                      > > >>
                                      > > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                                      > > you should work out
                                      > > >the
                                      > > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                                      > > heart since they are
                                      > > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                                      > > you should take
                                      > > >only
                                      > > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                                      > > GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                                      > > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                                      > > Moon's Sign Lord
                                      > > >and
                                      > > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                                      > > Indian System of Day,
                                      > > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                                      > > Otherwise, it should be from
                                      > > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                                      > > Seconds, at the place
                                      > >
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                                    • rongaunt@bigpond.net au
                                      Dear tw, Please see comments ** ................... ** Ron Gaunt ... ** This is the only saying that critics tend to quote because in reality there is nothing
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Jun 21, 2005
                                        Dear tw,

                                        Please see comments ** ................... **


                                        Ron Gaunt




                                        On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:16 -0000, you wrote:

                                        >Dear Sunil,
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > My Polish Roman Catholic friends say that astrology is a form of
                                        >fortunetelling that preempts the providence of God, Who alone knows
                                        >the future, and refer---
                                        >
                                        >47:13 Thou hast failed in the multitude or thy counsels: let now the
                                        >astrologers stand and save thee, they that gazed at the stars, and
                                        >counted the months, that from them they might tell the things that
                                        >shall come to thee.

                                        ** This is the only saying that critics tend to quote because in
                                        reality there is nothing said against astrology in the
                                        bible. Even here the injunction is not against astrology
                                        so much as the inability of the astrologers to alter the
                                        course of events - which most astrologers would accept as
                                        valid. **

                                        ** There are many oblique references to astrology in the bible
                                        which are not derogatory. **

                                        >
                                        >47:14 "Behold they are as stubble,..."
                                        >
                                        >and mention that Pope Sixtus V condemned astrology in 1586 and Pope
                                        >Urban VIII condemned it in 1631.

                                        ** Just shows that even the elect can be mislead. Remember that
                                        Jesus referred to the clergy of his day as "the blind
                                        leading the blind", and history tends to repeat itself.
                                        Anyone who studies the history of the Christian
                                        Church cannot but be horrified and offended by some of the
                                        practices of the ruling priestly class at times. The
                                        tortures of early heretics, and of the inquisition were more
                                        callous than anything the Romans did to the early
                                        Christians. At least they had a quick death.
                                        Unfortunately, Christianity throughout the ages has been
                                        hi-jacked by self seeking politicians, bureaucrats and
                                        administrators. The truth is there, but is hidden under
                                        the superstition and shallow thinking of people who never
                                        realize the fallibility of their leaders. This possibly
                                        applies to all religions. **
                                        >
                                        >Regards,
                                        >
                                        >tw
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@y...>
                                        >wrote:
                                        >> Dear Sunil,
                                        >> Just as many Hindus know very little of what is
                                        >written in the Geeta or other religious Texts,so also many Muslims
                                        >do not know what is written in the Quran..as it is written in
                                        >Arabic...but only recently translated into other languages...
                                        >> This seems to be a Universal phenomenon...in my
                                        >humble opinion...very few among us know what is written in our
                                        >religious books...
                                        >> Yours sincerely,
                                        >> lyrastro1
                                        >> GOOD LUCK !
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >> Sunil Joshi <suniljoshi80@y...> wrote:
                                        >> Dear Ron,
                                        >> Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                                        >> experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                                        >> told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                                        >> Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                                        >> so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                                        >> mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                                        >> Christian friends in India.
                                        >> With regards,
                                        >> Sunil D.Joshi.
                                        >>
                                        >> --- "rongaunt@b... au"
                                        >> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:
                                        >>
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Dear tw,
                                        >> >
                                        >> > I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a
                                        >> > difference
                                        >> > which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                                        >> > appear to
                                        >> > understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                                        >> > made this
                                        >> > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                                        >> > find
                                        >> > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                                        >> > a sin.
                                        >> > This is a fiction that most people who call
                                        >> > themselves
                                        >> > 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of
                                        >> > 'everything
                                        >> > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                                        >> > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                                        >> > like to
                                        >> > explain that I am a regular church going
                                        >> > 'Christian', but with
                                        >> > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                                        >> > understand.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                                        >> > The Sleeping
                                        >> > Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven
                                        >> > success, he says
                                        >> > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                                        >> > for Jesus in
                                        >> > his days as a student.
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Ron Gaunt
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                                        >> >
                                        >> > >Dear kpk3010,
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                                        >> > Crucial assumptions
                                        >> > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                                        >> > But blessing for
                                        >> > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                                        >> > Christ and Buddha
                                        >> > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                                        >> > prohibited by Buddha.
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                                        >> > me, could you kindly
                                        >> > >share your results of practiacal experience of
                                        >> > doing a "repaeated RP
                                        >> > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                                        >> > which may agree or
                                        >> > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                                        >> > experienced by K. Baskaran
                                        >> > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                                        >> > brilliant KP learner
                                        >> > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                                        >> > (Ref. im my
                                        >> > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >Thanks and regards,
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >tw
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                                        >> > <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                                        >> > >> Dear Members,
                                        >> > >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                                        >> > this Group and I
                                        >> > >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                                        >> > usage of the
                                        >> > >principle
                                        >> > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                                        >> > GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                                        >> > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                                        >> > K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                                        >> > Planets but they are
                                        >> > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                                        >> > followers out of the
                                        >> > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                                        >> > several precious
                                        >> > >stones,
                                        >> > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                                        >> > cannot be seen by them
                                        >> > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                                        >> > be very careful
                                        >> > >before
                                        >> > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                                        >> > Then what is the
                                        >> > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                                        >> > by my experience
                                        >> > >as a
                                        >> > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                                        >> > century (50 years)
                                        >> > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                                        >> > by sitting under
                                        >> > >the
                                        >> > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                                        >> > on a Birth Chart or
                                        >> > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                                        >> > concentrate deeply and
                                        >> > >beg
                                        >> > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                                        >> > MOTHER) whether they are
                                        >> > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                                        >> > you this body and
                                        >> > >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                                        >> > subject and produce
                                        >> > >> results.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                                        >> > properly and
                                        >> > >correctly.
                                        >> > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                                        >> > you cannot
                                        >> > >understand
                                        >> > >> anything in life.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                                        >> > DEITY) it may be
                                        >> > >anything
                                        >> > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                                        >> > etc., This is
                                        >> > >necessary
                                        >> > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                                        >> > by THEM to give
                                        >> > >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                                        >> > Here a question may be
                                        >> > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                                        >> > ANY GOD " , what
                                        >> > >am
                                        >> > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                                        >> > you are brought
                                        >> > >into
                                        >> > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                                        >> > persons, their Father
                                        >> > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                                        >> > whether the RUNNING
                                        >> > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                                        >> > Sookshma, Moon and the
                                        >> > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                                        >> > for you on the day
                                        >> > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                                        >> > importance to the
                                        >> > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                                        >> > are taking up the
                                        >> > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                                        >> > not taken into
                                        >> > >account
                                        >> > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                                        >> > Jupiter indicates the
                                        >> > >year
                                        >> > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                                        >> > Planet and you
                                        >> > >cannot
                                        >> > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                                        >> > the Chart for
                                        >> > >working.
                                        >> > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                                        >> > only a degree per
                                        >> > >day
                                        >> > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                                        >> > the examination of
                                        >> > >the
                                        >> > >> Chart.
                                        >> > >>
                                        >> > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                                        >> > you should work out
                                        >> > >the
                                        >> > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                                        >> > heart since they are
                                        >> > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                                        >> > you should take
                                        >> > >only
                                        >> > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                                        >> > GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                                        >> > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                                        >> > Moon's Sign Lord
                                        >> > >and
                                        >> > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                                        >> > Indian System of Day,
                                        >> > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                                        >> > Otherwise, it should be from
                                        >> > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                                        >> > Seconds, at the place
                                        >> >
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                                        >>
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                                      • tw853
                                        Dear Ron, Buddha, Star-gazing, astrology, forecasting lucky or unlucky events by signs, prognosticating good or evil, all those are things forbidden.
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Jun 24, 2005
                                          Dear Ron,

                                          Buddha, "Star-gazing, astrology, forecasting lucky or unlucky events
                                          by signs, prognosticating good or evil, all those are things
                                          forbidden."

                                          Regards,

                                          tw


                                          --- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "rongaunt@b... au"
                                          <rongaunt@b...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Dear tw,
                                          >
                                          > Please see comments ** ................... **
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Ron Gaunt
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:16 -0000, you wrote:
                                          >
                                          > >Dear Sunil,
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > My Polish Roman Catholic friends say that astrology is a form
                                          of
                                          > >fortunetelling that preempts the providence of God, Who alone
                                          knows
                                          > >the future, and refer---
                                          > >
                                          > >47:13 Thou hast failed in the multitude or thy counsels: let now
                                          the
                                          > >astrologers stand and save thee, they that gazed at the stars,
                                          and
                                          > >counted the months, that from them they might tell the things
                                          that
                                          > >shall come to thee.
                                          >
                                          > ** This is the only saying that critics tend to quote because in
                                          > reality there is nothing said against astrology in the
                                          > bible. Even here the injunction is not against astrology
                                          > so much as the inability of the astrologers to alter the
                                          > course of events - which most astrologers would accept as
                                          > valid. **
                                          >
                                          > ** There are many oblique references to astrology in the bible
                                          > which are not derogatory. **
                                          >
                                          > >
                                          > >47:14 "Behold they are as stubble,..."
                                          > >
                                          > >and mention that Pope Sixtus V condemned astrology in 1586 and
                                          Pope
                                          > >Urban VIII condemned it in 1631.
                                          >
                                          > ** Just shows that even the elect can be mislead. Remember that
                                          > Jesus referred to the clergy of his day as "the blind
                                          > leading the blind", and history tends to repeat itself.
                                          > Anyone who studies the history of the Christian
                                          > Church cannot but be horrified and offended by some of the
                                          > practices of the ruling priestly class at times. The
                                          > tortures of early heretics, and of the inquisition were more
                                          > callous than anything the Romans did to the early
                                          > Christians. At least they had a quick death.
                                          > Unfortunately, Christianity throughout the ages has been
                                          > hi-jacked by self seeking politicians, bureaucrats and
                                          > administrators. The truth is there, but is hidden under
                                          > the superstition and shallow thinking of people who never
                                          > realize the fallibility of their leaders. This possibly
                                          > applies to all religions. **
                                          > >
                                          > >Regards,
                                          > >
                                          > >tw
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi
                                          <lyrastro1@y...>
                                          > >wrote:
                                          > >> Dear Sunil,
                                          > >> Just as many Hindus know very little of what is
                                          > >written in the Geeta or other religious Texts,so also many
                                          Muslims
                                          > >do not know what is written in the Quran..as it is written in
                                          > >Arabic...but only recently translated into other languages...
                                          > >> This seems to be a Universal phenomenon...in my
                                          > >humble opinion...very few among us know what is written in our
                                          > >religious books...
                                          > >> Yours sincerely,
                                          > >> lyrastro1
                                          > >> GOOD LUCK !
                                          > >>
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Sunil Joshi <suniljoshi80@y...> wrote:
                                          > >> Dear Ron,
                                          > >> Thanks for clarification.But even I have similar
                                          > >> experience.Most of the Indian Christians whom I met
                                          > >> told that "looking into future" is not permitted in
                                          > >> Christian religion and so I also believed it to be
                                          > >> so(of course without reading Bible which I feel was my
                                          > >> mistake) I will try to clarify this to my many
                                          > >> Christian friends in India.
                                          > >> With regards,
                                          > >> Sunil D.Joshi.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> --- "rongaunt@b... au"
                                          > >> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:
                                          > >>
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Dear tw,
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > I suppose by Christ you mean Jesus. There is a
                                          > >> > difference
                                          > >> > which most Christians - including clergy - do not
                                          > >> > appear to
                                          > >> > understand. An Indian Guru Paramhansa Yogananda
                                          > >> > made this
                                          > >> > perfectly clear in his Autobiography.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > If you are referring to Jesus I don't think you will
                                          > >> > find
                                          > >> > anywhere in the bible where he believes astrology is
                                          > >> > a sin.
                                          > >> > This is a fiction that most people who call
                                          > >> > themselves
                                          > >> > 'Christians' believe. It is lumped into the bag of
                                          > >> > 'everything
                                          > >> > is a sin which I don't understand'.
                                          > >> > If you think I am being hard on Christians I would
                                          > >> > like to
                                          > >> > explain that I am a regular church going
                                          > >> > 'Christian', but with
                                          > >> > some beliefs that my compatriots would find hard to
                                          > >> > understand.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > In fact if you study the readings of Edgar Cayce '
                                          > >> > The Sleeping
                                          > >> > Prophet' who had a fantastic record of proven
                                          > >> > success, he says
                                          > >> > that astrology was a major part of the curriculum
                                          > >> > for Jesus in
                                          > >> > his days as a student.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Ron Gaunt
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:11 -0000, you wrote:
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > >Dear kpk3010,
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >1. Thank you very much for your valuable input.
                                          > >> > Crucial assumptions
                                          > >> > >of strong urge and divine force are understandable.
                                          > >> > But blessing for
                                          > >> > >practicing of astrology can't be expected from
                                          > >> > Christ and Buddha
                                          > >> > >since it's supposed to be a sin by Christ and
                                          > >> > prohibited by Buddha.
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >2. For the practical benefit of KP learners like
                                          > >> > me, could you kindly
                                          > >> > >share your results of practiacal experience of
                                          > >> > doing a "repaeated RP
                                          > >> > >test" for rectification of "the same birth data"
                                          > >> > which may agree or
                                          > >> > >disagree with the similar pattern of RPS
                                          > >> > experienced by K. Baskaran
                                          > >> > >and Narhari Khake and also indicated by young
                                          > >> > brilliant KP learner
                                          > >> > >Rangarajan's simulation of powerful Game Theory
                                          > >> > (Ref. im my
                                          > >> > >Message#5028, point 2,3 &4).
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >Thanks and regards,
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >tw
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >--- In k_p_system@yahoogroups.com, "kpk3010"
                                          > >> > <kpk3010@y...> wrote:
                                          > >> > >> Dear Members,
                                          > >> > >> I have been closely following all the postings in
                                          > >> > this Group and I
                                          > >> > >> find that many are struggling to understand the
                                          > >> > usage of the
                                          > >> > >principle
                                          > >> > >> of RULING PLANETS as invented by our GREAT
                                          > >> > GURUJI, JYOTISH MARTHAND,
                                          > >> > >> JYOTISH MANNAN, LATE PROF: SRI
                                          > >> > K.S.KRISHNAMOORTHIJI.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> WHAT ARE THE RULING PLANETS? These are not mere
                                          > >> > Planets but they are
                                          > >> > >> the POWERFUL LIGHTS that will take the KP
                                          > >> > followers out of the
                                          > >> > >> labyrinth dark tunnel of KP principles where
                                          > >> > several precious
                                          > >> > >stones,
                                          > >> > >> jewels and what not, are strewn all over but
                                          > >> > cannot be seen by them
                                          > >> > >> due to the thick darkness. Therefore one should
                                          > >> > be very careful
                                          > >> > >before
                                          > >> > >> trying to use these GREAT LIGHTS for their use.
                                          > >> > Then what is the
                                          > >> > >> procedure. Let me explain below, which is backed
                                          > >> > by my experience
                                          > >> > >as a
                                          > >> > >> practicising KP Astrologer for the past half a
                                          > >> > century (50 years)
                                          > >> > >> after learning this Great Divine Science directly
                                          > >> > by sitting under
                                          > >> > >the
                                          > >> > >> LOTUS FEET of our beloved GURUJI himself.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> Before attempting to verify, correct and predict
                                          > >> > on a Birth Chart or
                                          > >> > >> from a Horary Chart, first close your eyes,
                                          > >> > concentrate deeply and
                                          > >> > >beg
                                          > >> > >> for the GRACE of your Parents, (FATHER AND
                                          > >> > MOTHER) whether they are
                                          > >> > >> alive or not, since they are the persons who gave
                                          > >> > you this body and
                                          > >> > >> mind through which your intellect works on any
                                          > >> > subject and produce
                                          > >> > >> results.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> Then beg for the GRACE of GURUJI to guide you
                                          > >> > properly and
                                          > >> > >correctly.
                                          > >> > >> This is a must, since without a Guru or Teacher
                                          > >> > you cannot
                                          > >> > >understand
                                          > >> > >> anything in life.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> Next, pray to your Ishta Devta, (WORSHIPPING
                                          > >> > DEITY) it may be
                                          > >> > >anything
                                          > >> > >> like, Christ, Allah, Ram, Krishan, Shiv, etc.,
                                          > >> > etc., This is
                                          > >> > >necessary
                                          > >> > >> because the Planets are placed in the firmament
                                          > >> > by THEM to give
                                          > >> > >> results based on their position in the Chart.
                                          > >> > Here a question may be
                                          > >> > >> asked viz., " I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTANCE OF
                                          > >> > ANY GOD " , what
                                          > >> > >am
                                          > >> > >> I to do?. O.K. At least you know and believe that
                                          > >> > you are brought
                                          > >> > >into
                                          > >> > >> this world by your Father and Mother. For such
                                          > >> > persons, their Father
                                          > >> > >> and Mother only are the Gods or Ishta Devta.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> Check your own Natal/Birth Chart and find out
                                          > >> > whether the RUNNING
                                          > >> > >> period Lords, viz., Dasa, Bukthi, Anthar and
                                          > >> > Sookshma, Moon and the
                                          > >> > >> Ascendant, are transiting in a favorable position
                                          > >> > for you on the day
                                          > >> > >> you are working out the chart. Here give more
                                          > >> > importance to the
                                          > >> > >> Ascendant which indicates the time at which you
                                          > >> > are taking up the
                                          > >> > >> Chart for working. Please note here that I have
                                          > >> > not taken into
                                          > >> > >account
                                          > >> > >> Jupiter and Sun. The reason is very simple.
                                          > >> > Jupiter indicates the
                                          > >> > >year
                                          > >> > >> and all of us know that it is a very slow moving
                                          > >> > Planet and you
                                          > >> > >cannot
                                          > >> > >> wait for another Year to come before taking up
                                          > >> > the Chart for
                                          > >> > >working.
                                          > >> > >> Similarly Sun which denotes the Month also moves
                                          > >> > only a degree per
                                          > >> > >day
                                          > >> > >> and we cannot wait for one month, for taking up
                                          > >> > the examination of
                                          > >> > >the
                                          > >> > >> Chart.
                                          > >> > >>
                                          > >> > >> After satisfying all the above pre-requisites,
                                          > >> > you should work out
                                          > >> > >the
                                          > >> > >> RULING PLANETS with respect for them in your
                                          > >> > heart since they are
                                          > >> > >> going to guide you to success. . Here also first
                                          > >> > you should take
                                          > >> > >only
                                          > >> > >> the 5 RULING PLANETS followed by our GREAT
                                          > >> > GURUJI, VIZ.,. Ascendant
                                          > >> > >> Star Lord, Ascendant Sign Lord, Moon's Star Lord,
                                          > >> > Moon's Sign Lord
                                          > >> > >and
                                          > >> > >> finally the Day Lord, (Here, if you follow the
                                          > >> > Indian System of Day,
                                          > >> > >> it should be from Sun Rise to Sun Rise.
                                          > >> > Otherwise, it should be from
                                          > >> > >> Midnight to Midnight) for the time up to the
                                          > >> > Seconds, at the place
                                          > >> >
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