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  • Jim Underwood
    Sorry to rehash this thread, but I have a couple of questions. 1. Do you have to fax after midnight? I looked at the NPS website and it looks like you can
    Message 1 of 21 , Feb 12, 2010
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      Sorry to rehash this thread, but I have a couple of questions.
      1.  Do you have to fax after midnight?  I looked at the NPS website and it looks like you can fax after 5pm for the following day (24 weeks out).
      2.  If I really want to go out of one trailhead (LYV) and am flexible for a week on departure, can I fax with one trailhead and no alternates until I get that one? 
      3.  If I do the above, will I know before the next day if I got a spot (I don't want to duplicate efforts if I don't have to)?
      4.  Will I be charged for making each request, or only if I get the permit?

      Thanks. 

    • John Ladd
      See questions below 1, You don t need to wait til midnight - fax at anytime after 5:01 pm - You read it right. 2. Yes 3 Yes 4 No (I think) John Curran Ladd
      Message 2 of 21 , Feb 13, 2010
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        See questions below

        1,  You don't need to wait til midnight - fax at anytime after 5:01 pm - You read it right.
        2. Yes
        3 Yes
        4 No (I think)

        John Curran Ladd
        1616 Castro Street
        San Francisco, CA  94114-3707
        415-648-9279


        On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Jim Underwood <underwoodjjd@...> wrote:
         

        Sorry to rehash this thread, but I have a couple of questions.
        1.  Do you have to fax after midnight?  I looked at the NPS website and it looks like you can fax after 5pm for the following day (24 weeks out).
        2.  If I really want to go out of one trailhead (LYV) and am flexible for a week on departure, can I fax with one trailhead and no alternates until I get that one? 
        3.  If I do the above, will I know before the next day if I got a spot (I don't want to duplicate efforts if I don't have to)?
        4.  Will I be charged for making each request, or only if I get the permit?

        Thanks. 


      • jmaddog1082@charter.net
        For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations
        Message 3 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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          For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?

          My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.

          A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.

          Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
          J
        • Sam Rohlfs
          Unfortunately, I think you ll find a permit out of TM is also difficult to get. Last year I did RM to TM (so beautiful). It seemed much easier to get a
          Message 4 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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            Unfortunately, I think you'll find a permit out of TM is also difficult to get.  Last year I did RM to TM (so beautiful).  It seemed much easier to get a permit out of Red's.  At least last year it was :)
             
            Sam

            On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <jmaddog1082@...> wrote:
             

            For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?

            My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.

            A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.

            Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
            J


          • jeff.hester
            I had to submit my permit application twice. The first time, I was trying for HI entry on Monday 7/26. Got NONE of my three choices. The second time I shot for
            Message 5 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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              I had to submit my permit application twice. The first time, I was trying for HI entry on Monday 7/26. Got NONE of my three choices.

              The second time I shot for a Tuesday 7/27 start, and got my first choice. Part of that is luck of the draw, but I also learned from the first application.

              On the first application, I had submitted Happy Isles for choices 1 and 2 starting on Monday with different first night destinations. Then for choice 3 I submitted Happy Isles again, but for Tuesday. Because it was one day early, the third choice was automatically disqualified.

              Here's my advice:

              > Try for a midweek start
              > Fax your app in exactly 24 weeks to the day of your desired entry (after 5:30pm the night before, and before 7:30am)
              > Glacier Point makes a good third choice and is less impacted than Happy Isles. You can take the shuttle from the valley up to Glacier Point. I did this back in 2008 when I couldn't get a Happy Isles permit and found it a great alternative.

              Good luck!

              Jeff Hester
            • Barbara Karagosian
              I think there s a part of the Wilderness section if the Yosemite site that lists which trailheads are open (or rather, already full) for each day. So you can
              Message 6 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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                I think there's a part of the Wilderness section if the Yosemite site that lists which trailheads are open (or rather, already full) for each day. So you can take a peak and see how things are shaping up.  

                Barbara

                On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Sam Rohlfs <samrohlfs@...> wrote:

                 

                Unfortunately, I think you'll find a permit out of TM is also difficult to get.  Last year I did RM to TM (so beautiful).  It seemed much easier to get a permit out of Red's.  At least last year it was :)
                 
                Sam

                On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <jmaddog1082@charter.net> wrote:
                 

                For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?

                My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.

                A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.

                Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
                J


              • Carol Moses
                Glacier Point to TM to RM work for you? I have never had a problem obtaining a permit leaving from GP. carol ... From: jmaddog1082@charter.net
                Message 7 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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                  Glacier Point to TM to RM work for you? I have never had a problem obtaining a permit leaving from GP. carol

                  --- On Wed, 2/24/10, jmaddog1082@... <jmaddog1082@...> wrote:

                  From: jmaddog1082@... <jmaddog1082@...>
                  Subject: [John Muir Trail] Permits
                  To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:58 AM

                   

                  For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?

                  My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.

                  A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.

                  Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
                  J

                • ed_rodriguez52@yahoo.com
                  Hi J, as a suggestion take Tenaya Lake trail head to Sunrise High Sierra Camp or HI to Cloud rest trail jct. Like to know for those of you that not get your
                  Message 8 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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                    Hi J, as a suggestion take Tenaya Lake trail head to Sunrise High Sierra Camp or HI to Cloud rest trail jct. Like to know for those of you that not get your 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice from HI did you guys put down your first night camp site in LYV

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                    From: <jmaddog1082@...>
                    Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 8:58:35 -0800
                    To: <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: [John Muir Trail] Permits

                     

                    For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?

                    My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.

                    A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.

                    Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
                    J

                  • jmaddog1082@charter.net
                    Hmmmm... I ve heard of this option before and if I read the maps right, you hike downhill (Panorama Trail, right?) from GP and connect with the JMT about 3.3
                    Message 9 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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                      Hmmmm...

                      I've heard of this option before and if I read the maps right, you hike downhill (Panorama Trail, right?) from GP and connect with the JMT about 3.3 miles uphill from HI, correct? Do you know how far the route from GP to the JMT is? Elevation change?

                      If we chose this route, could we count on an early morning NPS shuttle from TM to GP's trailhead? Seems like a long tram ride, but our options will be limited since we're leaving our car in Mammoth and taking the YARTS into Yosemite.

                      Again, I appreciate you help,
                      J

                      ---- Carol Moses <yosemite9@...> wrote:
                      > Glacier Point to TM to RM work for you? I have never had a problem obtaining a permit leaving from GP. carol
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                    • Barbara Karagosian
                      Not sure what time the shuttle from Mammoth gets to Yosemite Valley, but it gets to TM at 9:00am. So maybe about 10:00? Shuttles go from Yosemite Lodge to GP,
                      Message 10 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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                        Not sure what time the shuttle from Mammoth gets to Yosemite Valley, but it gets to TM at 9:00am. So maybe about 10:00?  Shuttles go from Yosemite Lodge to GP, don't know times, but check the website and give them a call. 
                        Yep, it's the Panorama Trail, downhill to Illouefte Falls then a gradual up for 2 miles, then down til you get to the top of Nevada Falls. Then a mile flat to the LYV campsite.  My total off the wall guess is GP 8,000ft, and top of Nevada maybe 6,000; should be easy to check out. Lovely hike.   

                        Barbara

                        On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:52 PM, <jmaddog1082@...> wrote:

                         

                        Hmmmm...

                        I've heard of this option before and if I read the maps right, you hike downhill (Panorama Trail, right?) from GP and connect with the JMT about 3.3 miles uphill from HI, correct? Do you know how far the route from GP to the JMT is? Elevation change?

                        If we chose this route, could we count on an early morning NPS shuttle from TM to GP's trailhead? Seems like a long tram ride, but our options will be limited since we're leaving our car in Mammoth and taking the YARTS into Yosemite.

                        Again, I appreciate you help,
                        J

                        ---- Carol Moses <yosemite9@yahoo. com> wrote:
                        > Glacier Point to TM to RM work for you? I have never had a problem obtaining a permit leaving from GP. carol
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                      • Peter Burke
                        ... 10:55am and only on weekends before July 1
                        Message 11 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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                          Barbara Karagosian wrote:
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                          > but it gets to TM at 9:00am.

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                        • jmaddog1082@charter.net
                          So far, I m 0 for 2 on the permit thing. Faxed in my request for 8/16 entry on Sunday night - ALL 3 choices denied. Faxed in my request for 8/17 entry on
                          Message 12 of 21 , Mar 2, 2010
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                            So far, I'm 0 for 2 on the permit thing.

                            Faxed in my request for 8/16 entry on Sunday night - ALL 3 choices denied.

                            Faxed in my request for 8/17 entry on Monday night - ALL 3 choices denied.

                            I'll try again tonight...

                            Here's my request for both attempts with a party of 4:
                            1st: HI to LYV (or beyond)
                            2nd: HI to Sunrise
                            3rd: GP to LYV (or beyond)

                            Perhaps I should just go through a packer enterprise...sorry couldn't resist

                            J

                            ---- jmaddog1082@... wrote:
                            > For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?
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                            > J
                          • engelpct1981
                            You are probably aware of this, but they do show what dates are already filled.....
                            Message 13 of 21 , Mar 2, 2010
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                              You are probably aware of this, but they do show what dates are already filled..... http://www.yosemite.org/DSN/wwwyosemiteassociationorg/Content/Webcam/rptfulltrailheaddates.htm

                              --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <jmaddog1082@...> wrote:
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                              > So far, I'm 0 for 2 on the permit thing.
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                              > Faxed in my request for 8/16 entry on Sunday night - ALL 3 choices denied.
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                              > Faxed in my request for 8/17 entry on Monday night - ALL 3 choices denied.
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                              > I'll try again tonight...
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                              > Here's my request for both attempts with a party of 4:
                              > 1st: HI to LYV (or beyond)
                              > 2nd: HI to Sunrise
                              > 3rd: GP to LYV (or beyond)
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                              > Perhaps I should just go through a packer enterprise...sorry couldn't resist
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                              > J
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                              > ---- jmaddog1082@... wrote:
                              > > For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?
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                              > > My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.
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                              > > A TM to RM trip is an option, but I'd rather start from HI. I know it's a popular option, but we're not interested in going downhill from TM to HI, then shuttle back to TM to continue the trip on to RM either.
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                              > > Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
                              > > J
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                            • Herb
                              J-- I would think the GP to LYV would be your best bet. Last year we had a reservation for HI to LYV. When we arrived 2:00 pm the day before to pick up the
                              Message 14 of 21 , Mar 2, 2010
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                                J--

                                I would think the GP to LYV would be your best bet. Last year we had a reservation for HI to LYV. When we arrived 2:00 pm the day before to pick up the permit we asked "can you get us in today?" They had plenty of walk-ins for GP, and we got started that day.

                                I actually like GP as a TH. Wonderful views of the valley and you miss the climb. Yes, its pretty hiking up from HI but that is easily done as a day trip some other time.

                                Herb
                                ---- jmaddog1082@... wrote:
                                > So far, I'm 0 for 2 on the permit thing.
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                                > Faxed in my request for 8/16 entry on Sunday night - ALL 3 choices denied.
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                                > Faxed in my request for 8/17 entry on Monday night - ALL 3 choices denied.
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                                > Here's my request for both attempts with a party of 4:
                                > 1st: HI to LYV (or beyond)
                                > 2nd: HI to Sunrise
                                > 3rd: GP to LYV (or beyond)
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                                > Perhaps I should just go through a packer enterprise...sorry couldn't resist
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                                > J
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                                > ---- jmaddog1082@... wrote:
                                > > For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?
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                                > > My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.
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                                > > Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
                                > > J
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                              • kw_aston
                                I called, didn t get my first choice but they told me what was available about that time I wanted to go, and so I am going 2 days ealier. Worked for me.
                                Message 15 of 21 , Mar 3, 2010
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                                  I called, didn't get my first choice but they told me what was available about that time I wanted to go, and so I am going 2 days ealier. Worked for me.

                                  --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, "engelpct1981" <ed@...> wrote:
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                                  > > 1st: HI to LYV (or beyond)
                                  > > 2nd: HI to Sunrise
                                  > > 3rd: GP to LYV (or beyond)
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                                  > > ---- jmaddog1082@ wrote:
                                  > > > For those of you finding early success in obtaining your first (or second) choices with your JMT permits, would you care to share any trailhead combinations that seem to be working best with the NPS this year?
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                                  > > > My work schedule will limit my trip this year to a section trip only, ideally HI to RM. Reducing my/our success for an HI to RM permit will be the fact that I'll be faxing a request for 4 in our group. We're shooting for mid-August, so I'm warming up the fax machine now.
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                                  > > > J
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                                • lilkeeney
                                  Greetings- Thanks for all the great advice as I have been silently listening. I hit the trail in 4 weeks and getting ready. I have a two person permit from
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Jul 23, 2010
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                                    Greetings-

                                    Thanks for all the great advice as I have been silently listening. I hit the trail in 4 weeks and getting ready.

                                    I have a two person permit from Yosemite Valley to Whitney. If my friends wants to bail out at Tuolumne Meadows is that okay? If they get stopped by a ranger between the trail head and the trail junction with JMT they won't have a permit as I will have it. Will this be okay? I assume they might ask them to leave which they would be doing anyways, but I wouldn't want them to get a fine. I could always join my friend to the trailhead if need be and time allows.

                                    Secondly the same friend will likely join me at the end by joining me at Kearasage pass and then climbing Whitney and out to the portal.

                                    Is this legal and/or ethical? Can/should I make a copy of my permit?

                                    Thanks,
                                    Jeff
                                  • John Ladd
                                    Copy of the permit isn t a bad idea, but if you are worried about the short stretch from the JMT to TM, I d stop stressing. With budget cutbacks, there aren t
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Jul 23, 2010
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                                      Copy of the permit isn't a bad idea, but if you are worried about the short stretch from the JMT to TM, I'd stop stressing.  With budget cutbacks, there aren't that many rangers and they are probably even less picky than normal (and I always have found most of them quite relaxed).  Lots of people travel under multi-individual permits and they can't always travel together, and rangers tend to believe logical explanations about why someone else has the permit.
                                       
                                      John Curran Ladd
                                      1616 Castro Street
                                      San Francisco, CA  94114-3707
                                      415-648-9279


                                      On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM, lilkeeney <jmt@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Greetings-

                                      Thanks for all the great advice as I have been silently listening. I hit the trail in 4 weeks and getting ready.

                                      I have a two person permit from Yosemite Valley to Whitney. If my friends wants to bail out at Tuolumne Meadows is that okay? If they get stopped by a ranger between the trail head and the trail junction with JMT they won't have a permit as I will have it. Will this be okay? I assume they might ask them to leave which they would be doing anyways, but I wouldn't want them to get a fine. I could always join my friend to the trailhead if need be and time allows.

                                      Secondly the same friend will likely join me at the end by joining me at Kearasage pass and then climbing Whitney and out to the portal.

                                      Is this legal and/or ethical? Can/should I make a copy of my permit?

                                      Thanks,
                                      Jeff


                                    • Ernie Bonacum
                                      I ve always written the permit info on the back of the map I carry, so if a Ranger quizzes me, I can pull it out and give the full permit info to them. I also
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Jul 23, 2010
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                                        I've always written the permit info on the back of the map I carry, so
                                        if a Ranger quizzes me, I can pull it out and give the full permit info
                                        to them. I also tell them if our leader is ahead or behind me on the
                                        trail. This has always worked so far....

                                        I think they're amused that I'm ready for their question about a permit. ;-)

                                        Ernie
                                      • swm_bikrun
                                        Hi guys. New to this site and never have done the John Muir trail before. Want to solo from Yosemite to Whitney starting in July of 2014. What permits do I
                                        Message 19 of 21 , Jun 3, 2013
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                                          Hi guys. New to this site and never have done the John Muir trail before.
                                          Want to solo from Yosemite to Whitney starting in July of 2014. What permits do I need? Thank you
                                          Ken
                                          Bakersfield, CA.
                                        • John Ladd
                                          Lots of information here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnmuirtrail/links/Permits_and_Ranger_Contact_information_001262977875/ Short version is that you apply
                                          Message 20 of 21 , Jun 3, 2013
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                                            Lots of information here


                                            Short version is that you apply by fax 168 days in advance and list several alternative entry points as the classic entry at Happy Isles is oversubscribed.

                                            John Curran Ladd
                                            1616 Castro Street
                                            San Francisco, CA  94114-3707
                                            415-648-9279


                                            On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:28 AM, swm_bikrun <swm_bikrun@...> wrote:
                                             

                                            Hi guys. New to this site and never have done the John Muir trail before.
                                            Want to solo from Yosemite to Whitney starting in July of 2014. What permits do I need? Thank you
                                            Ken
                                            Bakersfield, CA.


                                          • Ken
                                            Thank you :) Ken
                                            Message 21 of 21 , Jun 3, 2013
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                                              Thank you :)

                                              Ken
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