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  • patzilch
    Hey everyone, I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 8, 2014
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      Hey everyone,


      I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?


      Thanks,


      Patrick 

    • Ray Rippel
      Good day, Patrick, Two quick points: 1. It is hard to get significantly sidetracked on the JMT, and it is even harder to get lost in a direction that will do
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        Good day, Patrick,

        Two quick points:

           1. It is hard to get significantly sidetracked on the JMT, and it is even harder to get lost in a direction that will do anything but lead you out of the wilderness. The signage is good and the trail almost always readily apparent. In fact, people complain that it is TOO apparent.

           2. If you are going to get sidetracked, the number one spot will be Red's Meadow/Devil's Postpile. Even if you do get off the trail around there, it probably means you've just taken a different route to get to the built up portion of the Red's Meadow (i.e., the store and the cafe). The second place I've heard of people going wrong is at Thousand Island Lake, although, even in that case, you end up back on the JMT eventually. I've made a couple of minor missteps: at the tarn just north of Donohue Pass I failed to turn right and cross the outlet stream; coming off Silver Pass, near Silver Lake, I reached a fork and didn't know which way to go (it turned out it didn't matter; the two trails rejoined in about half a mile); somewhere between the Half Dome trail and Sunrise Creek I got off for about 20 yards on a social trail, but I quickly noticed the problem and backtracked.

        If this is causing you stress, here is an easy way to fix things. On your GPS establish a waypoint about a quarter to a third of a mile PAST any navigational trouble spot. In most cases, those are trail intersections. Then, once you pass the trouble spot, check your GPS to make sure you are going in the direction of the waypoint.

        John Ladd has some data on this topic; he may chime in.

        Good hiking, Ray

         

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      • Peter Hirst
        Descending the south side of Muir below Helen Lake, but you won t get far before you realize you need to backtrack. In fact there are dozens of places where
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          Descending the south side of Muir below Helen Lake, but you won't get far before you realize you need to backtrack.  In fact there are dozens of places where the trail is faint over rock slabs and the like, but I did not find anywhere that this did not become apparent pretty quickly.  One or two creek crossings that are not obvious, but again not so bad that I even remember where they are.  Senger, maybe.

          The only place where I think there is a significant risk of actually taking a wrong trail for any  distance is at the bridge above Shadow Lake.  Both the Harrison map and Wenk (earlier edition) put that bridge at the "inlet" to Shadow, and it is not.  You cannot see the lake from the bridge.  I almost missed it and some friends actually did.  No big:  they ended up at Agnew and took the shuttle to Red's from there. 

          The problem with the sign at the JMT/Whitney trail junction has been fixed:  you just have to remember descending from Whitney, you go up again to Trail Crest and over Its not downhill back at the JT junction



          On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:00 AM, zilchp@... [johnmuirtrail] wrote:

           

          Hey everyone,


          I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?


          Thanks,


          Patrick 



        • Roleigh Martin
          Another spot is by Bear Creek, the old JMT trail route is still visible, there is a downed log and branches over the old route but I didn t notice and I got
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            Another spot is by Bear Creek, the old JMT trail route is still visible, there is a downed log and branches over the old route but I didn't notice and I got sidetracked on the old route, and one quickly realizes they're off trail, as you have several difficult stream crossings to do and one realizes after crossing the stream that there is no resumption of the trail; I backtracked from where I came, saw the trail diversion and followed the current JMT then.  I wasted about 45 minutes of hiking time though.



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            On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Peter Hirst peter@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
             

            Descending the south side of Muir below Helen Lake, but you won't get far before you realize you need to backtrack.  In fact there are dozens of places where the trail is faint over rock slabs and the like, but I did not find anywhere that this did not become apparent pretty quickly.  One or two creek crossings that are not obvious, but again not so bad that I even remember where they are.  Senger, maybe.


            The only place where I think there is a significant risk of actually taking a wrong trail for any  distance is at the bridge above Shadow Lake.  Both the Harrison map and Wenk (earlier edition) put that bridge at the "inlet" to Shadow, and it is not.  You cannot see the lake from the bridge.  I almost missed it and some friends actually did.  No big:  they ended up at Agnew and took the shuttle to Red's from there. 

            The problem with the sign at the JMT/Whitney trail junction has been fixed:  you just have to remember descending from Whitney, you go up again to Trail Crest and over Its not downhill back at the JT junction



            On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:00 AM, zilchp@... [johnmuirtrail] wrote:

             

            Hey everyone,


            I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?


            Thanks,


            Patrick 




          • cehauser1
            Hi Patrick: The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an
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              Hi Patrick:

              The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

              In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

              1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

              2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

              Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


              Chris.


              ---In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <zilchp@...> wrote :

              Hey everyone,


              I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?


              Thanks,


              Patrick 

            • david Slater
              Hello Patrick. Hope to find you I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It s cliche but all who wander aren t lost. I certainly don t consider it a
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                Hello Patrick.

                Hope to "find you" I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It's cliche but all who wander aren't lost. I certainly don't consider it a loss when off trail. Who knows what will be discovered? With this attitude at altitude, I rarely get frustrated when I inevitably stop paying attention to where I'm going because I'm so enthralled with where I'm at. Regardless, thanks for posting the question. I'll add these little gems to my atlas just in case. Happy trails.


                On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:26 AM, "cehauser1@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                 
                Hi Patrick:

                The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

                In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

                1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


                Chris.


                ---In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <zilchp@...> wrote :

                Hey everyone,

                I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?

                Thanks,

                Patrick 


              • steve parker
                One place that threw me off-track was the junction with clouds rest -- there is a water crossing where you go downstream (counter intuitive) briefly before
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                  One place that threw me off-track was the junction with clouds rest -- there is a water crossing where you go downstream (counter intuitive) briefly before merging with sunrise creek and going up.


                  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:01 AM, "david Slater toosun55@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                   
                  Hello Patrick.

                  Hope to "find you" I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It's cliche but all who wander aren't lost. I certainly don't consider it a loss when off trail. Who knows what will be discovered? With this attitude at altitude, I rarely get frustrated when I inevitably stop paying attention to where I'm going because I'm so enthralled with where I'm at. Regardless, thanks for posting the question. I'll add these little gems to my atlas just in case. Happy trails.


                  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:26 AM, "cehauser1@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                   
                  Hi Patrick:

                  The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

                  In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

                  1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                  2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                  Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


                  Chris.


                  ---In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <zilchp@...> wrote :

                  Hey everyone,

                  I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?

                  Thanks,

                  Patrick 




                • Roleigh Martin
                  Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by mistake and continued here on the old JMT trail. Just before
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                    Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by mistake and continued here on the old JMT trail.  Just before getting lost, I walked by a sign that said "Little Italy".  After walking past this, I passed a sign that said "Seven Gables Lake".




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                    On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:27 AM, steve parker riosand2@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     

                    One place that threw me off-track was the junction with clouds rest -- there is a water crossing where you go downstream (counter intuitive) briefly before merging with sunrise creek and going up.


                    On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:01 AM, "david Slater toosun55@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                     
                    Hello Patrick.

                    Hope to "find you" I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It's cliche but all who wander aren't lost. I certainly don't consider it a loss when off trail. Who knows what will be discovered? With this attitude at altitude, I rarely get frustrated when I inevitably stop paying attention to where I'm going because I'm so enthralled with where I'm at. Regardless, thanks for posting the question. I'll add these little gems to my atlas just in case. Happy trails.


                    On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:26 AM, "cehauser1@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                     
                    Hi Patrick:

                    The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

                    In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

                    1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                    2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                    Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


                    Chris.


                    ---In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <zilchp@...> wrote :

                    Hey everyone,

                    I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?

                    Thanks,

                    Patrick 





                  • kennethjessett@sbcglobal.net
                    I haven t read all the comments on this subject so apologese if this has been said before. I always say to other hikers I come across on the trail, We are on
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                      I haven't read all the comments on this subject so apologese if this has been said before. I always say to other hikers I come across on the trail, "We are on the JMT, right?"

                      Ken.
                    • Roleigh Martin
                      Very shortly after getting lost I came to this stream crossing situation. I made the mistake of crossing the downed tree to the far right, I had to
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                        Very shortly after getting lost I came to this stream crossing situation.
                        I made the mistake of crossing the downed tree to the far right, I had to
                        retrace/backtrack over this all.  No fun.  Lost about 45 minutes of hiking time.




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                        On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:37 AM, kenjessett@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                         

                        I haven't read all the comments on this subject so apologese if this has been said before. I always say to other hikers I come across on the trail, "We are on the JMT, right?"

                        Ken.


                      • Roleigh Martin
                        I should have reworded my commentary, it is rewritten here: Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by
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                          I should have reworded my commentary, it is rewritten here:

                          Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by mistake and continued here on the old JMT trail.  Just before getting lost, I walked by a sign that said "Little Italy".  After walking past this ON THE CURRENT, CORRECT JMT, I passed a sign that said "Seven Gables Lake".

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                        • kennethjessett@sbcglobal.net
                          Roleigh, I cannot see the picture. Can you show it in a different format? Ken.
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                            Roleigh, I cannot see the picture. Can you show it in a different format?

                            Ken.
                          • herbstroh
                            Maybe it is just me, but the area around Red s Meadow with all the trail junctions was, ironically, the most challenging navigational issue we had on the JMT.
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                              Maybe it is just me, but the area around Red's Meadow with all the trail junctions was, ironically, the most challenging navigational issue we had on the JMT.

                              If you have GPS software, you can download Halfmile's GPS route to your phone/GPS and always see where you should be. PCT Maps

                               

                              He has PDF maps that correspond to the route, and waypoints are every--you guessed it--half mile. I realize the PCT and JMT diverge, but I believe his maps and routes include both. I bought GAIA for my I-Phone and downloaded Halfmile's route for my Tahoe to Yosemite hike. It was great to be able to verify my location if I ever had a question. (Be sure to keep the phone in airplane mode and just toggle on to check location. Shut it off at the end of the day, and turn off notifications,etc., to preserve battery life).

                              Herb
                            • Roleigh Martin
                              I uploaded 4 pics here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/johnmuirtrail/photos/albums/578639774 ... Visit my Google Profile (lots of very interesting
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                                On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:15 AM, kenjessett@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                 

                                Roleigh, I cannot see the picture. Can you show it in a different format?

                                Ken.


                              • kennethjessett@sbcglobal.net
                                So, Seven Gables Lake is correct and Little Italy is wrong? Ken.
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                                  So, Seven Gables Lake is correct and Little Italy is wrong?

                                  Ken.
                                • patzilch
                                  All, Thanks for all of your advice and suggestions! I feel a lot better about navigating my way on the trail now. Can t wait for August. Patrick
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                                    All,

                                    Thanks for all of your advice and suggestions! I feel a lot better about navigating my way on the trail now. 

                                    Can't wait for August.

                                    Patrick 
                                  • Roleigh Martin
                                    No, the problem is between seeing those two signs. Both of those signs are on the current, correct JMT trail. You see the sign Lake Italy first. Then if
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                                      No, the problem is between seeing those two signs.  Both of those signs are on the current, correct JMT trail.  You see the sign "Lake Italy" first.  Then if you continue on without getting lost, you'll see "Seven Gables Lake".  But if you look at the picture "IMG_3298_Old_JMT_Trail_Mistake.jpg", you can see how the old trail is visible on the other side of the downed tree -- just don't think that tree fell down there by a storm or anything, it was placed there to stop you from continuing.  The correct trail continues to the left.  I'll try and take a better picture of the trail continuation this summer.

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                                      On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:00 AM, kenjessett@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                       

                                      So, Seven Gables Lake is correct and Little Italy is wrong?

                                      Ken.


                                    • Peter Hirst
                                      It really said Little Italy ? I could have sworn it said Lake Italy last year!! On Jul 9, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Roleigh Martin roleigh@pobox.com
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                                        It really said "Little Italy"?  I could have sworn it said "Lake Italy" last year!!
                                        On Jul 9, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Roleigh Martin roleigh@... [johnmuirtrail] wrote:

                                         

                                        Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by mistake and continued here on the old JMT trail.  Just before getting lost, I walked by a sign that said "Little Italy".  After walking past this, I passed a sign that said "Seven Gables Lake".

                                        <IMG_3298_Old_JMT_Trail_Mistake.JPG>


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                                        On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:27 AM, steve parker riosand2@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                         

                                        One place that threw me off-track was the junction with clouds rest -- there is a water crossing where you go downstream (counter intuitive) briefly before merging with sunrise creek and going up.


                                        On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:01 AM, "david Slater toosun55@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                         
                                        Hello Patrick.

                                        Hope to "find you" I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It's cliche but all who wander aren't lost. I certainly don't consider it a loss when off trail. Who knows what will be discovered? With this attitude at altitude, I rarely get frustrated when I inevitably stop paying attention to where I'm going because I'm so enthralled with where I'm at. Regardless, thanks for posting the question. I'll add these little gems to my atlas just in case. Happy trails.


                                        On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:26 AM, "cehauser1@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                         
                                        Hi Patrick:

                                        The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

                                        In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

                                        1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                                        2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                                        Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


                                        Chris.


                                        ---In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, <zilchp@...> wrote :

                                        Hey everyone,

                                        I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?

                                        Thanks,

                                        Patrick 








                                      • Roleigh Martin
                                        You re right, the sign says lake italy . ... Visit my Google Profile (lots of very interesting research links)
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                                          You're right, the sign says "lake italy".

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                                          On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Peter Hirst peter@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                           

                                          It really said "Little Italy"?  I could have sworn it said "Lake Italy" last year!!

                                          On Jul 9, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Roleigh Martin roleigh@... [johnmuirtrail] wrote:

                                           

                                          Here are some pics of the Old JMT trail and where I got lost, I walked over these downed trees by mistake and continued here on the old JMT trail.  Just before getting lost, I walked by a sign that said "Little Italy".  After walking past this, I passed a sign that said "Seven Gables Lake".

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                                          On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:27 AM, steve parker riosand2@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                           

                                          One place that threw me off-track was the junction with clouds rest -- there is a water crossing where you go downstream (counter intuitive) briefly before merging with sunrise creek and going up.


                                          On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:01 AM, "david Slater toosun55@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                           
                                          Hello Patrick.

                                          Hope to "find you" I leave S-bound August 29th out of Tuolumne . It's cliche but all who wander aren't lost. I certainly don't consider it a loss when off trail. Who knows what will be discovered? With this attitude at altitude, I rarely get frustrated when I inevitably stop paying attention to where I'm going because I'm so enthralled with where I'm at. Regardless, thanks for posting the question. I'll add these little gems to my atlas just in case. Happy trails.


                                          On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:26 AM, "cehauser1@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                           
                                          Hi Patrick:

                                          The trail is very well-traveled and well-signed, so your greatest fear should be something else... like not taking enough food, or hitting an afternoon thunderstorm on a high pass.

                                          In 2013, I got about 50 feet off trail down below Helen Lake (I think this is the same spot Peter Hirst is referring to).  Also, I got off trail between Donohue Pass and Island Pass, but it was about 10pm in a pouring rainstorm, so I doubt you'd have that problem.

                                          1.  If you think you are on the wrong trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                                          2.  If you find that you are off trail:  stop, sit down, relax, eat a snack, look at your map, and go back the way you came until you reach what you know is the JMT.

                                          Too many people get more lost by not thinking straight, panicking, or acting before thinking.  In 2013, I ran across a guy who was separated from his 2 hiking partners.  He wasn't lost, but he was completely flustered, out of breath, and dehydrated.  He wasn't thinking straight.  I suggested he continue on to the location where everyone had agreed to camp that night, but he wasn't thinking clearly, and he ended up panicking and he hiked off the JMT, contacted a ranger, and I heard they were out searching for the "lost" hikers in a helicopter.  It turns out , those "lost" hiking partners were camped where they had agreed to camp all along.  Morale of the story, if you find yourself in an emergency situation, take care of your body (take a break, drink some water, eat a snack, etc) so your mind will be clear and you will think clearly.


                                          Chris.


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                                          Hey everyone,

                                          I am doing the trail soutbound for the first time in late August. I have done my fair share of backpacking but my greatest fear is getting sidetracked on the trail and getting lost. I have been studying my maps a lot and picking out landmarks that should keep my bearings in line, but I just want do ask where do you guys think is the easiest place to make a wrong turn on the JMT?

                                          Thanks,

                                          Patrick 









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                                            On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@...> wrote:

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                                            On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:15 AM, kenjessett@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                             

                                            Roleigh, I cannot see the picture. Can you show it in a different format?

                                            Ken.



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