Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: [John Muir Trail] Ten Days

Expand Messages
  • hmdsierra
    My then 10 year old son and I did the trail in 25 days including two days off to fish and get lost. We started at Yosemite Valley and planned only one
    Message 1 of 8 , Apr 10, 2009
    • 0 Attachment
      My then 10 year old son and I did the trail in 25 days including two days off to fish and get lost. We started at Yosemite Valley and planned only one resupply, at Red's Mdw, but had a second at Vidette when my friend dropped out at Red's. We averaged a little over nine miles a day.

      --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Rich Ehli <richehli@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > robert shattuck wrote:
      > > Rich,
      > > If you've got a group of studs, 12-16 mile days, starting at Whitney shouldn't be a problem. How old and fit is this group?
      > >
      > ## Our ages range from the mid-20's to mid-60's. The older guys have
      > done that kind of mileage on the AT in recent years, which I'm guessing
      > is sort of comparable to the JMT in average total elevation gain per
      > mile traveled. Plus, I once hiked a piece of the PCT in Washington,
      > through the Goat Rocks, and I found the grades made it much easier to
      > climb the same elevation than the typical straight up, straight down
      > trails you find back East. Am I in for a surprise? I'm no stud, just
      > average, and one who I'm guessing will be, despite the best of
      > intentions, starting out a bit over weight and out of shape. What's the
      > average mileage on the JMT? I thought it was about 12-14 miles a day.
      > Too high? We have 21 days to reach the other end but the youngest, only
      > 10. We're not wedded to the idea of leaving him at MTR. It just seemed
      > like an obvious possibility. Another option that presents itself would
      > be to meet him at Vermillion Valley Resort or Devil's Postpile and he
      > could use his 10 days to reach Happy Isles with us or if necessary, bail
      > at TM. Again transportation issues would have to be factored into the
      > decision.
      > > Why are you starting at Whitney?
      > ## That's what my permit reads. Never been to Yosemite. Seemed like it
      > would be the ideal dessert at the end of good meal. So we're committed
      > to transportation connections to the south end. We're not real focused
      > on doing Whitney but what the hell, it's not that much of side trip from
      > Trail Crest. I am figuring Day 1 to Trail Camp and Day 2 to Crabtree
      > Meadows or a little beyond. Depending on how strong we are after the big
      > climb, Day 3 might take us over Forrester Pass and a few miles down the
      > Bubb Creek drainage or we might have to stop for the night before
      > reaching the pass. Beyond that I haven't worked it out. I really don't
      > want to push the miles and be a slave to an overly ambitious time
      > schedule. Make smiles, not miles, I keep trying to remind myself.
      > > I could understand if you really wanted to do whitney and with your time constraints, this was the way, but . . . If you can start at whitney, then you can also start a little farther north. Assuming you come at it from the west side, you could come in on the Rae Lakes Loop, starting at roads end and this would give you LOTS of time to make it to whitney, then turn around (do a base camp at guitar lake) and do the . . . head out through Kern Canyon, where you'd have to get back to the car(s) you left at roads end.
      > > if you come in on the east side, you could start in a variety of places, which would be do-able in less than ten days . . .
      > > You know of course that the whitney end has all the high passes. if you're group has a few weaklings or altitude cases, you're going to have a tough go of it
      >
      > ## Three of us have climbed most of the way up Grand Teton without any
      > altitude problem but I realize that's no guarantee we won't encounter
      > altitude sickness the next time out. If it happens, I just hope we have
      > enough sense to recognize the problem and make the right decision. At
      > least we won't be roped together, so it doesn't have to be a consensus
      > decision (been there, done that).
      > > . . . I'd say you'd have just enough time to make it out at Taboose Pass, go down to 395 and or have a car waiting there at the trail head.
      > > Getting out at either the Vermilion Valley Resort or Muir Trail Ranch is pretty much the same thing. MTR is pretty much two,three, days from Vermilion, but they both use the same road to get out and down to FRESNO. there is no bus service from VVR or MTR and you're way back there––it's about 25 miles just to get to the very vacant "highway"
      > > you could PAY BIG BUCKS to have someone drive you out, but it's a drag. Fresno has an airport, but . . . . it's fresno.
      > >
      >
      > ## Off hand, does anyone what's the going rate for a shuttle? Dollar a
      > mile, Two dollars a mile? Three? More?
      > > if you just want to hike on the JMT for x amount of days, the very best way, via public transport is to fly into san Francisco and catch the morning amtrak into Yosemite Valley.
      > > leaves from SF at 7 a.m. bus-train-bus and you are in the valley by NLT 2pm.
      > > or you could just drive from SF to Yosemite and park in the long-term parking, which happens to be at the JMT trailhead. You could hike down and go out on the east side, over Puite Pass or farther, over Dusy . . . you get down out of the mountains and you have to thumb about 15 miles of barely traveled road to get down to 395
      > > In my opinion, coming out on the east side is your best bet for getting down to civilization. it's like the sierra just drop down, BANG, and there's the road pretty much––whereas on the west side you come down and then it's just mile and miles of foothills and tiny towns and . . .
      > > SO WHERE ARE YOU ACTUALLY FLYING/DRIVING INTO? WHICH END OF THE SIERRA? WHICH SIDE??
      > >
      > ## I am thinking of flying into LA or Las Vegas and renting a one-way
      > rental to Ridgemont. Those points seem to be the quickest connections to
      > getting within reach of Lone Pine. From Ridgemont we would arrange a
      > shuttle to Lone Pine to pick up the permit and then up to Whitney Portal
      > and camp for the night. Returning home from Happy Isles, I haven't
      > figured out the best airport options but SF, Oakland and Sacramento all
      > seem to be possible choices, perhaps Reno too. Leaving Yosemite would be
      > by public transportation so that will determine the airport choice.
      >
      > > OKAY, you'll get lots of advice. HAVE you been to whitneyportalstore.com
      > > Lots of good advice there. I've just hiked the trail a few times and have my ideas.
      > > bob
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      > ## Thanks, Bob. You've giving me a lot to think about, which was exactly
      > what I was hoping for.
      >
      > Rich
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > sparklefart.blogspot.com
      > > http://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
      > > From: richehli@...
      > > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:17:00 +0000
      > > Subject: [John Muir Trail] Ten Days
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > I am looking for some advice. Our group will be starting from Whitney Portal. One member can only spare ten days on trail and four transit days between home (outside NYC) and trailheads. We're all capable of 12-16 mile days. Muir Ranch looks like a very do-able end point in this scenario but there could be problems we don't see with this option. Looking for some input and possible alternatives. For example, what's the best way to reach a major airport from MR. Thanks.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Rich
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > _________________________________________________________________
      > > Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8.
      > > http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
    Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.